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Old 08-04-2023, 01:50 PM   #2451
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And no, my expectation and my comments about how little money is to be made from random ACC/Pac matchups aren't actually contradictory.
We've already seen that the Pac 12 has the most inept conference management possible. For what I think of the ACC's management, look no further than the monstrosity that is the conference baseball tournament format.
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Old 08-04-2023, 01:57 PM   #2452
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So who's gonna edit TCY and BBCF to make the conferences work?
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Old 08-04-2023, 02:03 PM   #2453
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i can't handle all this back and forth.

On a more positive note maybe I can see my Huskies play in Piscataway every few years....
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Old 08-04-2023, 02:17 PM   #2454
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My daughter is in the middle of the recruiting process for a non-revenue sport. Seems like we will be dropping both Oregon St. and Washington St. from the list.
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Old 08-04-2023, 02:20 PM   #2455
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Old 08-04-2023, 02:37 PM   #2456
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Arizona has formally applied to the Big 12. I am sure they will get unanimous approval once the representatives convene. Apparently, Arizona State is still on the fence. Jason Scheer, who is UA's 247 guy and has been pretty neutral and reliable throughout the past year, says there is a "very real" chance that Arizona comes alone.
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Old 08-04-2023, 03:15 PM   #2457
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I can't believe NIL has killed college football so quickly.
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Old 08-04-2023, 03:30 PM   #2458
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So who's gonna edit TCY

And I was having a good day
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Old 08-04-2023, 05:32 PM   #2459
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I can't believe NIL has killed college football so quickly.

Is this sarcasm?
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Old 08-04-2023, 05:33 PM   #2460
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Big 10 spent so much effort protecting the Rose Bowl and then gutted the conference they are supposed to play in it.
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Old 08-04-2023, 05:35 PM   #2461
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ASU and Utah have officially asked to be admitted to the Big 12
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Old 08-04-2023, 05:38 PM   #2462
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I could update it every day and it would still be obsolete the next. But no interest in trying.

Pac-12 media deal: Commish presents Apple offer with no agreement reached by conference leaders - CBSSports.com

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The primary package proposed was streaming-centric through Apple; it includes incentivization in tears with a significant upside for Pac-12 teams if certain subscription numbers are met, sources told Dodd. ESPN, which first reported the Apple deal, further noted that "several options" were provided to league members with the Apple option being the best of the bunch.

I suppose the "tears" refers to the uncontrollable bawling from commissioner George Kliavkoff as he realizes he will have to "resign" from his job this weekend.

But all of this is stupid. I did think the Big Ten and SEC wanted to hold at 16, but the thought of the ACC gaining a foothold in the west or the Big-12 emerging as something somewhat powerful post-Texas and Oklahoma must have spooked them.

So the Big Ten votes tonight on Oregon and Washington. Arizona to the Big-12 is just about done, and Arizona State and Utah are likely to follow.

New questions: will Stanford and California have the opportunity to join what would then be the Big Tens? Does the Mountain West rebrand and absorb what's left? How much longer does football remain in the NCAA, and when that happens, how do non-revenue sports survive without reverting to regional conferences? Washington and Oregon reportedly want $10 million/year just for travel expenses.
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Old 08-04-2023, 05:58 PM   #2463
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Stanford and California fit academically, but I just don't see what the value is for the Big 10. Those schools aren't bringing much to the table.
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Old 08-04-2023, 06:17 PM   #2464
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The Oregon board chair playing through his round of golf while leading the session in which his school changes conferences is hilarious.
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Old 08-04-2023, 06:49 PM   #2465
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Am I wrong in suggesting the new B12 is just as much garbage as the ACC, except the ACC at least has Clemson and FSU?
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Old 08-04-2023, 06:52 PM   #2466
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Who would've thought one of the important things the guys working on the new upcoming NCAA football game would have to remember is making sure you can create your own conferences.
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Old 08-04-2023, 06:53 PM   #2467
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Gotta feel for the "Pac 4" because their non-revenue sports are in trouble and their FB and BB are in serious trouble. They're likely going to have to learn how to deal with running an athletic department on about 80% less in TV revenue than they have now.
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Old 08-04-2023, 09:20 PM   #2468
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Am I wrong in suggesting the new B12 is just as much garbage as the ACC, except the ACC at least has Clemson and FSU?

The average attendance numbers (before the Pac additions but with the G5 additions and minus OUT and the ACC with Clemson/FSU/Miami) is within like 700 and the TV contracts are close to one another. The good or bad is that the Big 12 has already lost their bell cows, while the ACC has theirs locked in until 2036. Id assume the Big 12 newcomers (Houston and UCF in particular) will see an attendance jump, but unclear how much of a drop not playing OUT (and the PAC teams not playing UCLA and USC) will have.
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Old 08-04-2023, 11:08 PM   #2469
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Am I wrong in suggesting the new B12 is just as much garbage as the ACC, except the ACC at least has Clemson and FSU?

Definitely will be strong basketball conference.
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Old 08-05-2023, 09:05 AM   #2470
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Conference realignment can still be stopped if Mike Pence has the courage to do the right thing
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Old 08-05-2023, 09:22 AM   #2471
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Well the next rumored move for the Big 12 is adding Gonzaga and another basketball-only school so they are probably thinking along the same lines.
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Old 08-05-2023, 11:12 AM   #2472
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Conference realignment can still be stopped if Mike Pence has the courage to do the right thing

I'm glad I was drinking iced and not hot coffee when I read this post
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Old 08-05-2023, 05:40 PM   #2473
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Pac-4: Conference of Champions
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Old 08-07-2023, 04:50 PM   #2474
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The ACC adding Cal and Stanford would be the point someone needs to step in and break the whole thing up and tell them to start over.
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Old 08-07-2023, 05:27 PM   #2475
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Since all oceans are connected, I guess every coast is the Atlantic coast, if you think of it a certain way.
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Old 08-07-2023, 05:44 PM   #2476
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ACC changes to the All Coasts Conference. Easy fix.

Not feeling all the realignment, though. I miss the regional conferences with the neighbor vs neighbor in conference hatred. It made the games feel like they meant something even if one or both of the teams weren't good.

And will someone put Notre Dame in the Big ten where they belong? Thank you.

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Old 08-10-2023, 07:21 PM   #2477
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There was absolutely nothing wrong with the bowl system. Arguing about who the true national champion was was a feature not a bug. Trying to solve this so called bug lead CFB to its current state.
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Old 08-11-2023, 07:57 AM   #2478
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As Jim and others have noted, big time college football (however defined) needs to just split off and become its own national thing.

And then let all the other sports be in sensible regional conferences where you can come in on Monday and talk smack to your co-worker because Tech beat State in baseball in extra innings last weekend.
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Old 08-11-2023, 08:37 AM   #2479
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I don't see how that can ever happen. College football pays for a lot of those other sports in many places.
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Old 08-11-2023, 09:23 AM   #2480
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I don't see how that can ever happen. College football pays for a lot of those other sports in many places.

All of a college's sports don't have to be in the same conference. They can set up a national structure for football and basketball, then have the non-revenue sports be in regionally aligned conferences like there used to be. All still under the same athletic department umbrella.
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Old 08-11-2023, 12:09 PM   #2481
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All of a college's sports don't have to be in the same conference. They can set up a national structure for football and basketball, then have the non-revenue sports be in regionally aligned conferences like there used to be. All still under the same athletic department umbrella.

Why would football and to a lesser extent basketball want to stay under the same athletic department umbrella? At some point and we may already be there, the football program and those associated with it are going to question why are we being forced into giving the money WE earned to these other sports by an athletic department we, the football program, also fund. IMO major college football programs are already separate from their universities and are just paying the colleges to use their logo and that payment funds the other sports programs. The football program is just another booster for those sports. Colleges should probably get prepared for that booster begins to fund something other than those non revenue sports.
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Old 08-13-2023, 05:15 AM   #2482
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I'm gonna play FBCB just so I can figure out whether I want to kill off the Pac-4 and rebuild it in the most random ways possible.
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Old 08-31-2023, 08:46 PM   #2483
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This September it's Spectrum's turn for a pissing contest with Disney to start football season. Last year was Dish/Sling if I remember correctly.
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Old 08-31-2023, 09:06 PM   #2484
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This September it's Spectrum's turn for a pissing contest with Disney to start football season. Last year was Dish/Sling if I remember correctly.

And DirectTV/U-verse are in a dispute with about 160 Nexstar-owned stations, which wipes out Fox/CBS/NBC in numerous markets.
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Old 08-31-2023, 09:06 PM   #2485
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Florida wasting a 4th down stop by having two players on the field wearing the same number during the ensuing punt ... and then giving up a touchdown is some peak Billy Napier shit.

The last guy this overmatched by his surroundings might have been Derek Dooley.
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Old 08-31-2023, 09:13 PM   #2486
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I was thinking Willie Taggart... at least in the same area code.
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Old 08-31-2023, 09:16 PM   #2487
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Simultaneously pissed and disappointed about this breakup of the PAC 12.

UW, Oregon, USC, Utah, UCLA, and even Oregon State are all really solid programs. Sucks a conference with 6-7 top 25 teams and a couple playoff contenders are broken up
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Old 08-31-2023, 09:29 PM   #2488
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Jeff Sims ladies and gentlemen

LMFAO
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Old 08-31-2023, 09:54 PM   #2489
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And DirectTV/U-verse are in a dispute with about 160 Nexstar-owned stations, which wipes out Fox/CBS/NBC in numerous markets.

Probably means passive-aggressive overlays on broadcasts here (Spectrum area), but at least with OTA you don't have the networks constantly rattling the tin can.

When I think of about four years now saving an average of $100 a month by not having cable or the bloated streaming packages - that's about $5k saved on entertainment. I'll keep that in mind when we're making vacation plans.
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Old 09-01-2023, 08:38 AM   #2490
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The most asinine conference move yet
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Old 09-01-2023, 08:39 AM   #2491
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Jeff Sims ladies and gentlemen

LMFAO

And you posted this BEFORE his final drive!
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Old 09-01-2023, 08:43 AM   #2492
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Certainly feels like rearranging deck chairs.

At some point, there will be an equilibrium (I'm guessing with some sort of football-only Division Super A or whatever, but I don't really know). And people are going to look back at this era and have no idea what the hell people were thinking.
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Old 09-01-2023, 08:47 AM   #2493
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Just call it the All Coast Conference (plus SMU has a lake nearby)
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Old 09-01-2023, 08:48 AM   #2494
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I think we have no idea of that now.
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Old 09-01-2023, 08:51 AM   #2495
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And you posted this BEFORE his final drive!

My favorite part was Gus Johnson excitedly saying at the end of the 3rd quarter that Nebraska played their best 3rd quarter in years... they scored A touchdown.
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Old 09-01-2023, 09:04 AM   #2496
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Also, the Fox graphics gave me NCAA 98 menu vibes.
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Old 09-01-2023, 09:23 AM   #2497
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Old 09-01-2023, 09:53 AM   #2498
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Yeah no ESPN and no Disney channels this morning are going to make a lot of Mom's and Dad's pissed off at Spectrum/Disney.
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Old 09-01-2023, 10:02 AM   #2499
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I guess the last dominoes to fall in the current shuffle are Oregon State and Washington State. I'm guessing they go to the Mountain West, but these days who knows.
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Old 09-01-2023, 10:04 AM   #2500
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So, the ACC formally sent invites to Cal, Stanford and SMU. Not shocked it happened, but this fact shocked me.

SMU gets no revenue from the ACC contract for NINE Years while Cal and Stanford start at 30% of the revenue.

SMU's Athletic Department must be in multiple billionaire's wills to go without TV revenue for just about a decade. Then again, SMU's current status probably doesn't have much TV revenue anyway.
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