Werewolf LXII -- The BCS (Racer and Swaggs win) - Page 16

Passacaglia · 12-12-2007, 02:29 PM

BCS Rankings

1. Racer
2. Barkeep49
3. jeheinz72
4. Chief Rum
5. chesapeake
5. ntndeacon

Barkeep49 · 12-12-2007, 02:35 PM

God damn it.

Passacaglia · 12-12-2007, 02:36 PM

The season is over. We'll have the end of season poll, hand out sanctions, see if there's any sabotage, and determine a winner. Remember to place your votes carefully -- if there's a tie, we'll vote one more time, which means that the game will go on another day, people may be outed as their roles based on the Public Poll, and we'll hand out another set of sanctions and sabotage.

Also, since there are no games left to throw, you will not be able to use any of your individual powers.

Barkeep49 · 12-12-2007, 02:36 PM

I knew that stupid conference championship was a bad idea.

Barkeep49 · 12-12-2007, 02:37 PM

Vote Racer
Out of spite.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-12-2007, 02:44 PM

VOTE Racer

Racer · 12-12-2007, 02:51 PM

Is the at-large bid determined today or tomorrow?

path12 · 12-12-2007, 02:52 PM

OK, so I came out that I was scanning Chief. Molson threw his game so effectively against me that I won, so did not get the scan.

I think that certainly reflects Chief being something bad. As well as Molson, of course.

Other scan results?

Passacaglia · 12-12-2007, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Is the at-large bid determined today or tomorrow?

Tomorrow.

RendeR · 12-12-2007, 02:56 PM

I had the smae problem as you path. Anxiety threw his game far better than I did so no Lathum ?Catholic scan.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-12-2007, 02:57 PM

Did we establish what Molson's role is?

It looks like Chief got crushed by sabotage. In fact, I'm not even sure how he's still in the running in the BCS rankings.

RendeR · 12-12-2007, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

anxiety threw his game a while a go...he pm'd us all that last night

Doh, yer rihgt, I do remember that.

Man I am worthless in this game.

Lathum · 12-12-2007, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

OK, so I came out that I was scanning Chief. Molson threw his game so effectively against me that I won, so did not get the scan.

I think that certainly reflects Chief being something bad. As well as Molson, of course.

Other scan results?

Well Molson and I are in the same conference and I know I am not a detractor or cathloc

jeheinz72 · 12-12-2007, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Did we establish what Molson's role is?

It looks like Chief got crushed by sabotage. In fact, I'm not even sure how he's still in the running in the BCS rankings.

I flipped the script and put the sanctions onto him

Mr. Wednesday · 12-12-2007, 03:06 PM

I know that. He took closer to 100 than 50 points.

Racer · 12-12-2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I knew that stupid conference championship was a bad idea.

For anyone interested in knowing, I successfully threw my conference championship game today. I suggested prior to the start of conference play that we should throw all of our conferences games to one team and then have that team throw the conference championship to get one team as many points as possible and also be eligable for the at-large bid. Barkeep was never on board with the idea.

Racer · 12-12-2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Computer Rankings

1. Racer 244
2. chesapeake 176
3. ntndeacon 159
4. Barkeep49 158
5. Mr. Wednesday 152
6. jeheinz72 131
7. claphamsa 128
8. Alan T 124
9. Swaggs 93
10. st.cronin 87
11. Lathum 69
12. molson 55
13. SnDvls 52
14. Anxiety 29
15. Chief Rum 28
16. path12 -1
17. RendeR -5

Trying to be fair here. I think you might have forgot to penalize Lathum and I for losing our conference championships.

Racer · 12-12-2007, 03:27 PM

Vote Mr. Wednesday

He's a known Catholic. Barkeep won our conference so he isn't eligable for the at-large bid. Voting for Mr. Wednesday will knock him out of the top 5 in the computer rankings and replace him with jeheinz who is most likely loyal to his conference. Since there aren't any games, Mr. Wednesday can't block this one.

claphamsa · 12-12-2007, 03:31 PM

vote mr wednesday

i like your arguemtn, and he slid sanctions onto me (1 of 3 times)

Mr. Wednesday · 12-12-2007, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

vote mr wednesday

i like your arguemtn, and he slid sanctions onto me (1 of 3 times)

At the time, it was with the best of intentions.

Just as an FYI, outside of Racer's own conference, if Racer wins, you don't.

claphamsa · 12-12-2007, 03:40 PM

Why do I care who goes to the National championship game? He has the most points , so is most liekley to beat ND (dont they get an automatic bid?) and I threw my game to ensure NTN won the conference and didnt get the at large (incase he was bad), but Im convinced you are bad, so I dont want you in the at large, so vote you

[X] I can be convinced otherwise, Ill admit this game has been almost impossible for me to get my head around, stupid work!

jeheinz72 · 12-12-2007, 03:45 PM

Vote Racer

jeheinz72 · 12-12-2007, 03:49 PM

Can someone clarify for me? Only 2nd place teams can get the at-large right? So it'd be me, Racer, Lathum or claphamsa who would be the candidates for it, correct?

Racer · 12-12-2007, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Can someone clarify for me? Only 2nd place teams can get the at-large right? So it'd be me, Racer, Lathum or claphamsa who would be the candidates for it, correct?

I think anyone who didn't win their conference is eligable.

jeheinz72 · 12-12-2007, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

I think anyone who didn't win their conference is eligable.

Pass, can you clarify?

Passacaglia · 12-12-2007, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

I think anyone who didn't win their conference is eligable.

Correct.

Racer · 12-12-2007, 04:37 PM

Realistically, I think you, claphamsa, Mr. Wednesday, and I are still in the running. Also, keep in mind that when voting to place sanctions on me, you only help out Mr. Wednesday and thus are helping out the Catholics. (everyone else in the top 5 won their conference). You will still be 6th in the computer poll unless you vote for someone other then me currently in the top 5.

By the way, if someone confirms that you aren't Catholic, I'd be willing to vote you 2nd in the public poll if you do the same for me. Hopefully, other teams loyal to our conferences will do the same. If there are four detractors and four Catholic detractors, then there are some conferences with only two teams loyal to it. If you are loyalist, then we are both screwed in the public and private poll if we belong to one of those conferences unless we work together.

Racer · 12-12-2007, 04:38 PM

The above post was intended for jeheinz. I forgot to quote the post where he was voting to place sanctions on me.

Passacaglia · 12-12-2007, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Trying to be fair here. I think you might have forgot to penalize Lathum and I for losing our conference championships.

Thanks. I think I fixed it properly. It's hard to tell without my spreadsheet. The BCS Rankings should stay the same.

Abe Sargent · 12-12-2007, 04:50 PM

Vote Racer

Racer · 12-12-2007, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

The above post was intended for jeheinz. I forgot to quote the post where he was voting to place sanctions on me.

I looked back and saw ntndeacon was confirmed to not be a Catholic detractor. Since he was also confirmed not to be a detractor earlier in the game, I'm offering this to him instead, but I do think we should consider striking some out some other deal (assuming you aren't Catholic) such as a 4 for 4 and have you and ntndeacon strike a 3 for a 3. We NEED to this otherwise Mr. Wednesday WILL be the front runner to win this game because the Catholics almost certainly have more votes in both the public and private polls then any group of loyalists and thus we are all going to be ranked pretty low in both polls.

Racer · 12-12-2007, 05:05 PM

Oh shoot, ntndeacon won his conference so he can't get the at-large bid. So I guess I'll switch the offer from ntndeacon to claphamsa.

claphamsa · 12-12-2007, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

I looked back and saw ntndeacon was confirmed to not be a Catholic detractor. Since he was also confirmed not to be a detractor earlier in the game, I'm offering this to him instead, but I do think we should consider striking some out some other deal (assuming you aren't Catholic) such as a 4 for 4 and have you and ntndeacon strike a 3 for a 3. We NEED to this otherwise Mr. Wednesday WILL be the front runner to win this game because the Catholics almost certainly have more votes in both the public and private polls then any group of loyalists and thus we are all going to be ranked pretty low in both polls.

ntn won our conference, I threw the game so i would finish second!

jeheinz72 · 12-12-2007, 05:06 PM

I'm not a catholic. I can't prove it of course, but I'm not.

What if I said I hate baby jesus*, would that sway you?

I gotta jet, but I'll be open to those talks tomorrow AM

* - Intended for comedic purposes only. I am a Catholic in real life. Shut your pie hole if you feel the need to flame.

claphamsa · 12-12-2007, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Oh shoot, ntndeacon won his conference so he can't get the at-large bid. So I guess I'll switch the offer from ntndeacon to claphamsa.

i voted wednesday not you :_) sicne wednesday is a bad guy shouldnt we all be voting for him to get him out fo the top 5?

Racer · 12-12-2007, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

ntn won our conference, I threw the game so i would finish second!

Yeah I realized that. Somehow it slipped my mind in the matter of about 20 minutes. I don't think there is anyway there is only one loyalist in your conference so like I said in my previous post, I will vote you #2 if you vote me #2.

claphamsa · 12-12-2007, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Yeah I realized that. Somehow it slipped my mind in the matter of about 20 minutes. I don't think there is anyway there is only one loyalist in your conference so like I said in my previous post, I will vote you #2 if you vote me #2.

that seems logical!

Racer · 12-12-2007, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

i voted wednesday not you :_) sicne wednesday is a bad guy shouldnt we all be voting for him to get him out fo the top 5?

I'm offer to vote you #2 in the public poll if you vote for me #2 in the public poll. Hopefully ntndeaccon, Swaggs, and Chief Rum (if he's good) will do the same.

claphamsa · 12-12-2007, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

I'm offer to vote you #2 in the public poll if you vote for me #2 in the public poll. Hopefully ntndeaccon, Swaggs, and Chief Rum (if he's good) will do the same.

ok, sounds good!

Swaggs · 12-12-2007, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'm not a catholic. I can't prove it of course, but I'm not.

What if I said I hate baby jesus*, would that sway you?

I gotta jet, but I'll be open to those talks tomorrow AM

* - Intended for comedic purposes only. I am a Catholic in real life. Shut your pie hole if you feel the need to flame.

I can prove it.

I scanned jeheinz today and he is not Catholic.

Racer · 12-12-2007, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I can prove it.

I scanned jeheinz today and he is not Catholic.

Alright, I propose this then:

I vote (and hopefully the loyalists in my conference) in the public poll vote: #1 Racer, #2 claphamsa, and #3 jeheinz

Jeheinz (and hopefully the rest of the loyalists in his conference) in the public poll vote: #1 Jeheinz, #2 Racer and #3 claphamsa

Claphasmsa (and hopefully the rest of the loyalists in his conference) in the public poll vote: #1 claphamsa, #2 Jeheinz, and #3 Racer

Jeheinz if you aren't down with this, then hopefully Claphasma is still willing for me #2 if I vote him #2 (and the loyalists in our conference as well).

Abe Sargent · 12-12-2007, 07:58 PM

Public poll:

1. jeheinz
2. Anxiety
3 Swaggs
4 Lathum
5 molson

ntndeacon · 12-12-2007, 10:46 PM

Public Poll
1 Claphamsa
2 JeHeinz
3 Racer
4 ntn
5 Swaggs

Mr. Wednesday · 12-12-2007, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

Why do I care who goes to the National championship game?

If it's not you, you don't care about who goes to the NCG (although you'd probably prefer it not be Notre Dame). You do care, very much, about who gets the at-large bid, because if it's Racer, you don't win. You're competing with him for the at-large bid, and you didn't win the conference title, so you only win if you get that at-large bid. Racer is not your friend.

Chief Rum · 12-13-2007, 01:34 AM

This game makes my head hurt. I'm going to delay voting for now, and try to get in before deadline tomorrow.

I hope someone is planning on posting conference standings with points and records. I think that will give me a much better way to look at things. I would do it myself, but I gotta hit the sack.

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If it's not you, you don't care about who goes to the NCG (although you'd probably prefer it not be Notre Dame). You do care, very much, about who gets the at-large bid, because if it's Racer, you don't win. You're competing with him for the at-large bid, and you didn't win the conference title, so you only win if you get that at-large bid. Racer is not your friend.

I win if the catholcs and other bad guys dont win, I dont need to go to the BCS!

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 06:38 AM

public poll
me
racer
heinz
ntn
render

Racer · 12-13-2007, 07:10 AM

I will post my public poll after jeheinz72 tells me whether or not he will also vote for me. Anyways, I'd thought I let you guys know I sent the following conditional action to Pass this morning:

Quote:

If I am allowed to this, I would like to throw the national championship if I am there and if my opponent is chesapeake, ntndeacon, claphamsa, or jeheinz72.

Am I doing this out of the kindness out my heart? Of course not. I'm doing it purely for stragic reasons. Right now, I am in danger of getting of getting the sanction vote and I need people to have every reason to vote for Mr. Wednesday in the sanction vote instead of me and also to vote for me somewhere in the polls. If I read the loyalist victory conditions on the first page correctly, you win the game if your conference gets the at-large bid or your team wins the national championship. I still win as long as my conference earns the at-large bid so there isn't really a reason for me to win the national championship other then to limit the number of teams that achieve a victory condition and I'm happy as long as I'm one of those teams.

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

I will post my public poll after jeheinz72 tells me whether or not he will also vote for me. Anyways, I'd thought I let you guys know I sent the following conditional action to Pass this morning:

Am I doing this out of the kindness out my heart? Of course not. I'm doing it purely for stragic reasons. Right now, I am in danger of getting of getting the sanction vote and I need people to have every reason to vote for Mr. Wednesday in the sanction vote instead of me and also to vote for me somewhere in the polls. If I read the loyalist victory conditions on the first page correctly, you win the game if your conference gets the at-large bid or your team wins the national championship. I still win as long as my conference earns the at-large bid so there isn't really a reason for me to win the national championship other then to limit the number of teams that achieve a victory condition and I'm happy as long as I'm one of those teams.

but why throw it?

Racer · 12-13-2007, 07:24 AM

Dola, again if I read the victory conditions correctly on the front page and you win the national championship, you only "win" in the game if the Catholics or detractors do not secure the at-large bid so Mr. Wednesday cannot offer you the same deal. I am not even sure if I'm allowed to throw the national championship so I might not be able to either.

12-12-2007, 02:44 PM	#756
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	VOTE Racer __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-12-2007, 02:52 PM	#758
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	OK, so I came out that I was scanning Chief. Molson threw his game so effectively against me that I won, so did not get the scan. I think that certainly reflects Chief being something bad. As well as Molson, of course. Other scan results? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-12-2007, 02:56 PM	#760
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I had the smae problem as you path. Anxiety threw his game far better than I did so no Lathum ?Catholic scan. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

12-12-2007, 02:57 PM	#761
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Did we establish what Molson's role is? It looks like Chief got crushed by sabotage. In fact, I'm not even sure how he's still in the running in the BCS rankings. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-12-2007, 03:06 PM	#765
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I know that. He took closer to 100 than 50 points. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-12-2007, 02:29 PM	#751
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	BCS Rankings 1. Racer 2. Barkeep49 3. jeheinz72 4. Chief Rum 5. chesapeake 5. ntndeacon

12-12-2007, 02:35 PM	#752
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	God damn it.

12-12-2007, 02:36 PM	#753
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	The season is over. We'll have the end of season poll, hand out sanctions, see if there's any sabotage, and determine a winner. Remember to place your votes carefully -- if there's a tie, we'll vote one more time, which means that the game will go on another day, people may be outed as their roles based on the Public Poll, and we'll hand out another set of sanctions and sabotage. Also, since there are no games left to throw, you will not be able to use any of your individual powers.

12-12-2007, 02:36 PM	#754
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I knew that stupid conference championship was a bad idea.

12-12-2007, 02:37 PM	#755
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Vote Racer Out of spite.

12-12-2007, 02:51 PM	#757
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Is the at-large bid determined today or tomorrow?

12-12-2007, 03:27 PM	#768
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Vote Mr. Wednesday He's a known Catholic. Barkeep won our conference so he isn't eligable for the at-large bid. Voting for Mr. Wednesday will knock him out of the top 5 in the computer rankings and replace him with jeheinz who is most likely loyal to his conference. Since there aren't any games, Mr. Wednesday can't block this one.

12-12-2007, 03:31 PM	#769
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	vote mr wednesday i like your arguemtn, and he slid sanctions onto me (1 of 3 times) __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-12-2007, 03:40 PM	#771
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Why do I care who goes to the National championship game? He has the most points , so is most liekley to beat ND (dont they get an automatic bid?) and I threw my game to ensure NTN won the conference and didnt get the at large (incase he was bad), but Im convinced you are bad, so I dont want you in the at large, so vote you [X] I can be convinced otherwise, Ill admit this game has been almost impossible for me to get my head around, stupid work! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-12-2007, 03:45 PM	#772
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Vote Racer

12-12-2007, 03:49 PM	#773
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Can someone clarify for me? Only 2nd place teams can get the at-large right? So it'd be me, Racer, Lathum or claphamsa who would be the candidates for it, correct?

12-12-2007, 04:37 PM	#777
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Realistically, I think you, claphamsa, Mr. Wednesday, and I are still in the running. Also, keep in mind that when voting to place sanctions on me, you only help out Mr. Wednesday and thus are helping out the Catholics. (everyone else in the top 5 won their conference). You will still be 6th in the computer poll unless you vote for someone other then me currently in the top 5. By the way, if someone confirms that you aren't Catholic, I'd be willing to vote you 2nd in the public poll if you do the same for me. Hopefully, other teams loyal to our conferences will do the same. If there are four detractors and four Catholic detractors, then there are some conferences with only two teams loyal to it. If you are loyalist, then we are both screwed in the public and private poll if we belong to one of those conferences unless we work together.

12-12-2007, 04:38 PM	#778
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	The above post was intended for jeheinz. I forgot to quote the post where he was voting to place sanctions on me.

12-12-2007, 04:50 PM	#780
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Vote Racer __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

12-12-2007, 05:05 PM	#782
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Oh shoot, ntndeacon won his conference so he can't get the at-large bid. So I guess I'll switch the offer from ntndeacon to claphamsa.

12-12-2007, 05:06 PM	#784
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	I'm not a catholic. I can't prove it of course, but I'm not. What if I said I hate baby jesus, would that sway you? I gotta jet, but I'll be open to those talks tomorrow AM - Intended for comedic purposes only. I am a Catholic in real life. Shut your pie hole if you feel the need to flame.

12-12-2007, 07:58 PM	#792
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Public poll: 1. jeheinz 2. Anxiety 3 Swaggs 4 Lathum 5 molson __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

12-12-2007, 10:46 PM	#793
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Public Poll 1 Claphamsa 2 JeHeinz 3 Racer 4 ntn 5 Swaggs

12-13-2007, 01:34 AM	#795
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	This game makes my head hurt. I'm going to delay voting for now, and try to get in before deadline tomorrow. I hope someone is planning on posting conference standings with points and records. I think that will give me a much better way to look at things. I would do it myself, but I gotta hit the sack. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

12-13-2007, 06:38 AM	#797
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	public poll me racer heinz ntn render __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-13-2007, 07:24 AM	#800
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Dola, again if I read the victory conditions correctly on the front page and you win the national championship, you only "win" in the game if the Catholics or detractors do not secure the at-large bid so Mr. Wednesday cannot offer you the same deal. I am not even sure if I'm allowed to throw the national championship so I might not be able to either.

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