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Old 03-11-2007, 11:16 AM   #301
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Are great defensive players noticeable this year? In the past, it was hard for me to tell a great defensive player from a medicore one as the ratings to me, didn't translate well on to the field.

Is this year any different? Can say, Jim Edmonds get to more pop flies when you have him in the OF then say, putting Taguchi in CF?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, can you tell when you are playing a great defensive team vs a not so great defensive team? Is it plausable to put Taguchi in LF and sit Duncan late in a game?

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Old 03-11-2007, 03:12 PM   #302
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2007 online league HTML reports posted.

http://reports.ootpdevfiles.com/news..._101_home.html

Digest and disect please.
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Old 03-11-2007, 08:55 PM   #303
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How come a transaction like the one below does not show up in the player's history on his player card?


Monday, July 5th, 2032



Kolonos Bacchae: Demoted 1B A. Salimbeni to Triple A Kos.


Player History

01-01-2031SISA scouting updated ratings (potential): Contact: 9 (6); Power: 10 (6); Eye: - (-).
06-04-2031Was selected to the 2031 BLB Triple A All-Star Game.
08-26-2031Won the 2031 BLB Triple A Round 1 with the Kos Prisoners!
01-01-2032SISA scouting updated ratings (potential): Contact: 8 (4); Power: 12 (6); Eye: 18 (10).


Same thing here:


Monday, July 12th, 2032
Crete Minotaurs: Placed 2B T. Fitrakis on the 15-day disabled list.


Player's Card

01-01-2032SISA scouting updated ratings (potential): Contact: 16 (8); Power: 13 (8); Eye: 17 (9).
06-02-2032Injured (strained hamstring muscle), out for 1-2 weeks.
06-29-2032Injured (fractured hand), out for 8 weeks.
07-19-2032Wins the BLB IL Player of the Week Award.

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Old 03-11-2007, 09:05 PM   #304
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Saw this on one player report:

05-16-2032Injured (fractured hand), out for one week.20320624 Was selected to the 2032 Beta League Baseball All-Star Game.


Monday, June 14th, 2032
Ephesus Saints: Demoted MR Z. Zisimides to Triple A Anarrakhi.20320614 Ephesus Saints: Demoted MR Z. Zisimides to Triple A Anarrakhi.

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Old 03-11-2007, 09:13 PM   #305
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Can you separate a player's history? I would like contracts in one area, awards in another area, not all under the one, "Player History" heading.

Basically I would like for them to be grouped like FOF 2007.

Forgive me, but I don't remeber much from the new interface last year. If I want to see when McGwire won the MVP, I don't want to read every line looking for it - I want it to be under "Awards" on his player card.

Can this be done from within the game?

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Old 03-11-2007, 09:27 PM   #306
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Looks like a lot of the same transactions are doubled under the same day for whatever reason. Guys getting activated or placed on the DL and things like that show up twice on the same day.
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:09 AM   #307
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A lot of the historical stuff was from previous (buggy) builds. Newer data should not suffer from the problems
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:12 AM   #308
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Looks like a lot of the same transactions are doubled under the same day for whatever reason. Guys getting activated or placed on the DL and things like that show up twice on the same day.

That bug is looong gone already The history of that league was simmed some weeks ago....
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:14 AM   #309
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How come a transaction like the one below does not show up in the player's history on his player card?


Monday, July 5th, 2032



Kolonos Bacchae: Demoted 1B A. Salimbeni to Triple A Kos.


Player History

01-01-2031SISA scouting updated ratings (potential): Contact: 9 (6); Power: 10 (6); Eye: - (-).
06-04-2031Was selected to the 2031 BLB Triple A All-Star Game.
08-26-2031Won the 2031 BLB Triple A Round 1 with the Kos Prisoners!
01-01-2032SISA scouting updated ratings (potential): Contact: 8 (4); Power: 12 (6); Eye: 18 (10).


Same thing here:


Monday, July 12th, 2032
Crete Minotaurs: Placed 2B T. Fitrakis on the 15-day disabled list.


Player's Card

01-01-2032SISA scouting updated ratings (potential): Contact: 16 (8); Power: 13 (8); Eye: 17 (9).
06-02-2032Injured (strained hamstring muscle), out for 1-2 weeks.
06-29-2032Injured (fractured hand), out for 8 weeks.
07-19-2032Wins the BLB IL Player of the Week Award.

We discussed this briefly, but I decided against this because the player history is about accomplishments mostly and very big transactions (FA signings, trades).
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:14 AM   #310
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Can you separate a player's history? I would like contracts in one area, awards in another area, not all under the one, "Player History" heading.

Basically I would like for them to be grouped like FOF 2007.

Forgive me, but I don't remeber much from the new interface last year. If I want to see when McGwire won the MVP, I don't want to read every line looking for it - I want it to be under "Awards" on his player card.

Can this be done from within the game?

No, that's something for OOTP 2008.
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:15 AM   #311
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Are great defensive players noticeable this year? In the past, it was hard for me to tell a great defensive player from a medicore one as the ratings to me, didn't translate well on to the field.

Is this year any different? Can say, Jim Edmonds get to more pop flies when you have him in the OF then say, putting Taguchi in CF?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, can you tell when you are playing a great defensive team vs a not so great defensive team? Is it plausable to put Taguchi in LF and sit Duncan late in a game?

Yes, you'll notice this. Your team pitching BABIP will be lower, thus less runs will be scored because your defenders take away more hits
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Old 03-12-2007, 09:05 AM   #312
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Thanks for the answers Markus! Too bad on the history!
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Old 03-12-2007, 10:11 AM   #313
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Is there a reason why the "Top Game Performances" page located at http://reports.ootpdevfiles.com/news...formances.html
is wrong? It shows performances and links, the numbers for all the stats are wrong (for the first 3 at least). In fact #2 and #3 didn't even play those days.

Looks like there are ones wrong for the hitting too.
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Old 03-12-2007, 10:17 AM   #314
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Is there a reason why the "Top Game Performances" page located at http://reports.ootpdevfiles.com/news...formances.html
is wrong? It shows performances and links, the numbers for all the stats are wrong (for the first 3 at least). In fact #2 and #3 didn't even play those days.

Looks like there are ones wrong for the hitting too.

Bug Fixed this morning...
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Old 03-12-2007, 10:26 AM   #315
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Bug Fixed this morning...
You need to do less message boarding and more coding! *cracks whip!*

Hehe, just kidding. Thanks for listening (even though I know I wasn't the first to mention it!).
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Old 03-12-2007, 01:13 PM   #316
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Heh. This thread is one of the links in the latest OOTP Email that went out (2 weeks till release!)
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:49 PM   #317
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I'm not sure if this question was answered already, but is it possible to take over an expansion team before an expansion draft (in OOTP2k7)?
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:03 AM   #318
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I'm not sure if this question was answered already, but is it possible to take over an expansion team before an expansion draft (in OOTP2k7)?

Yes.
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:22 AM   #319
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Yes.

Nice, thanks. It will be interesting how well a human expansion team can do after an expansion draft. Or how long I would survive as GM of an expansion team.
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:20 AM   #320
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Nice, thanks. It will be interesting how well a human expansion team can do after an expansion draft. Or how long I would survive as GM of an expansion team.

I agree, that does sound fun. Especially doing the expansion draft.
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:33 AM   #321
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:54 AM   #322
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Re: the expansion draft

Is the date of the expansion draft customizable in a multi-year sim? From what I've gathered, the default expansion draft date is mid-November. However, in OOTP free agents aren't really 'free' until after this date (sometime early the next calendar year IIRC). Therefore, you have players who are technically free agents, but are still part of their former team's organization and still have to be protected.

IRL, free agent contracts expire before an expansion draft, so their status in the draft is not an issue. Thus my question of customizable draft dates in a quick-sim.
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Old 03-13-2007, 10:57 AM   #323
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Re: the expansion draft

Is the date of the expansion draft customizable in a multi-year sim? From what I've gathered, the default expansion draft date is mid-November. However, in OOTP free agents aren't really 'free' until after this date (sometime early the next calendar year IIRC). Therefore, you have players who are technically free agents, but are still part of their former team's organization and still have to be protected.

IRL, free agent contracts expire before an expansion draft, so their status in the draft is not an issue. Thus my question of customizable draft dates in a quick-sim.

This could be a problem. OOTP should mirror real life in this case.
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Old 03-13-2007, 04:42 PM   #324
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Anxious to see how ootp runs on my new Core 2 duo pc!

Well, I don't have dual core but I just dropped a gig of RAM in my dual channel.
I was in the preview group, wish I'd have had the new RAM then. The game did run nice though with just 1 gig so 2 should just be adding gravy.

For now I'll have to test it out on EHM.
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Old 03-13-2007, 06:00 PM   #325
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I love the sim speeds. I finished a few seasons with fairly large almanacs in just a few hours. I have to figure out how to save history, but not every boxscore, just the current season ones. I made an upload for my league and somehow included every boxscore for 5 seasons. Was a big file!
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:25 PM   #326
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REALLY looking forward to Friday's release. And even moreso to my wife and kids being gone for a week starting on the 31st...
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:44 PM   #327
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Saw over on the OOTP forums that if you preorder before the 21st you'll get the game on Thursday as opposed to Friday.
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:52 PM   #328
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:54 PM   #329
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Dola.

And here's the announcement:


Added on 03/19/2007 17:37 by Marc Duffy
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We've got a rather special treat for ANYONE who decides to pre-order the game before Wednesday night.

We are going to be mailing out download details to everyone who has pre-ordered before the clocks strikes 1 on Thursday morning.
If you have not yet made that purchase, first check out this fan made video and then if you like it why not place your pre-order
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:57 PM   #330
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First thing I'm going to do is to expand the American League with current rosters to 16 teams and take over one of the expansion teams. The question is, how are the cities and the characteristics (owner, budget, etc) determined? It will be fun to do an expansion draft with that team. I have been waiting for a text sim to have this option for quite some time. The last one I can recall is FOF2.
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:08 PM   #331
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I thought you can pick the cities yourself, but I'm not sure about the owners, budget and things like that.
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:12 PM   #332
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Dola.

And here's the announcement:


Added on 03/19/2007 17:37 by Marc Duffy
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We've got a rather special treat for ANYONE who decides to pre-order the game before Wednesday night.

We are going to be mailing out download details to everyone who has pre-ordered before the clocks strikes 1 on Thursday morning.
If you have not yet made that purchase, first check out this fan made video and then if you like it why not place your pre-order
For some reason, this has me about ready to pre-order.
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:16 PM   #333
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For some reason, this has me about ready to pre-order.

mmmhmm. Me 2
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:19 PM   #334
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mmmhmm. Me 2


Even though I told myself to wait until the first patch, I took this opportunity to preorder. I have no willpower.
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:23 PM   #335
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Even though I told myself to wait until the first patch, I took this opportunity to preorder. I have no willpower.

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Old 03-19-2007, 01:35 PM   #336
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If you run a historical replay but with fictional players, how does the computer handle player names? Do you get names that are era appropriate? It would detract from the overall immersion of the game to have Chico Escuela and Chan Ho-Park playing for you in 1901.
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Old 03-19-2007, 02:20 PM   #337
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This game rocks! Must buy, AI great!

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Old 03-19-2007, 02:23 PM   #338
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REALLY looking forward to Friday's release. And even moreso to my wife and kids being gone for a week starting on the 31st...

Friday? Sweet! That means I get to mess around with it all weekend. I feared it was released next week and I'd be bogged down with moving to my new place to really get into it. But alas, that's not going to be the case this time.

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Old 03-19-2007, 02:26 PM   #339
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For some reason, this has me about ready to pre-order.

I just checked my gmail to make sure that I did indeed preorder like I thought I did.
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Old 03-20-2007, 07:33 PM   #340
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Not sure how to ask this but is there screenshot or link to see an example of a team's Roster Report? I looked in the Screenshots page but I didn't see one.
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Old 03-20-2007, 07:42 PM   #341
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I was going back through the blogs posted on the OOTP forums and I have to say the one posted today probably has me the most excited about the game.

hxxp://www.ootpbaseball.net/clubhouse.php?view=news&gid=26&id=1304


Here's a quote from it:

Quote:
In the end, everyone from Bill James to Baseball Prospectus seems to come to the conclusion the players peak at about age 27 (give or take a year), with pitchers maybe a year later. But, of course, it's more complex than that. Baseball skills don't develop or erode at the same pace. Walks are an "old player skill," for example, while triples a "young player skill." Previous versions of the game, however, had every skill rising and falling in a standard umbrella pattern. OOTPv2007 is different. For the first time, it is modeling each skill as a separate component.

Granted, I don't expect perfect aging, but this is a HUGE step forward for the OOTP series.

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Old 03-20-2007, 08:01 PM   #342
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Does anyone have any kind of info as to how the manager mode is? Is the AI a worthy opponent?
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:11 PM   #343
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Not sure how to ask this but is there screenshot or link to see an example of a team's Roster Report? I looked in the Screenshots page but I didn't see one.
You mean the good ol' Age/Position/Bats/Throws/Height/Weight/Salary screen, or something else?
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:19 PM   #344
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I was going back through the blogs posted on the OOTP forums and I have to say the one posted today probably has me the most excited about the game.

hxxp://www.ootpbaseball.net/clubhouse.php?view=news&gid=26&id=1304


Here's a quote from it:


Granted, I don't expect perfect aging, but this is a HUGE step forward for the OOTP series.

dammit. I'm unemployed, I don't need to be buying games, but stuff like this has me readying my credit card.
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:21 PM   #345
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Not sure how to ask this but is there screenshot or link to see an example of a team's Roster Report? I looked in the Screenshots page but I didn't see one.

Do you mean from the game or from the HTML?
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:22 PM   #346
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You mean the good ol' Age/Position/Bats/Throws/Height/Weight/Salary screen, or something else?

No, I saw that one. After I play a season, I print out the Roster Report that has my roster with their major stats, plus a team summary up on top with the large logo. I don't have any saved games so I can't show you what I mean.
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Old 03-20-2007, 08:28 PM   #348
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No, I saw that one. After I play a season, I print out the Roster Report that has my roster with their major stats, plus a team summary up on top with the large logo. I don't have any saved games so I can't show you what I mean.
I know what you're talking about. I used to post that in my dynasty reports. I don't think there's an exact replica of it, but I'll show you a screen that is somewhat similar in the next post...
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3 D. Romero ATL .286
4 W. Jordan ATL .279
5 R. King ATL .268
Team Leaders HR
D. Hughes
35
2 M. Castillo ATL 34
3 D. Romero ATL 32
4 M. Ortíz ATL 10
5 2 tied with 7
Team Leaders RBI
D. Romero
132
2 D. Hughes ATL 121
3 M. Castillo ATL 90
4 M. Ortíz ATL 78
5 R. Peterson ATL 67
Team Leaders W
C. Reyes
19
2 D. Chuffnell ATL 14
3 A. Norton ATL 9
3 J. Ramírez ATL 9
5 2 tied with 8
Team Leaders ERA
C. Reyes
3.25
2 D. Chuffnell ATL 3.90
3 J. Rusch ATL 5.63


Team Leaders K
D. Chuffnell
141
2 C. Reyes ATL 129
3 J. Rusch ATL 126
4 P. Lee ATL 110
5 A. Norton ATL 96
Injuries
Player Injury Out for... Disabled List Status
P Adam Norton herniated disc (back) 5-6 months On DL, eligible for return (60-day DL)
Pitching Staff
Role Throws Pitcher W L SV ERA
Starter R César Reyes 19 7 0 3.25
Starter R Dennis Chuffnell 14 7 0 3.90
Starter R Jake Rusch 8 20 0 5.63
Starter L Patrick Lee 8 10 0 3.98
Starter R Luis Castillo 7 2 5 3.18
Spot Starter R José Ramírez 9 2 2 3.09
Middle Reliever R José Ramírez 9 2 2 3.09
Middle Reliever R Jack Brewer 0 3 1 3.91
Middle Reliever R Víctor Durán 3 0 0 2.91
Setup Reliever R Pat Moore 2 2 1 3.82
Setup Reliever R Paul Walsh 2 2 1 4.19
Closer R Max Blackmore 4 8 35 2.29
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Standings
Eastern Division W L PCT GB
Atlanta Braves 90 72 .556 -
Montreal Expos 86 76 .531 4.0
Cincinnati Reds 77 85 .475 13.0
Philadelphia Phillies 74 88 .457 16.0
Pittsburgh Pirates 74 88 .457 16.0
New York Mets 73 89 .451 17.0

Team Information
Record overall 90-72, .556 PCT
Position in Division 1st, - GB
Record at home 50-31, .617 PCT
Record on the road 40-41, .494 PCT
Record in X-inning games 6-4, .600 PCT
Record in one-run games 25-24, .510 PCT
Record versus LHP 30-17, .638 PCT
Record versus RHP 60-55, .522 PCT
Record last 10 games 7-3, .700 PCT
Record in April 18-10, .643 PCT
Record in May 14-15, .483 PCT
Record in June 13-12, .520 PCT
Record in July 16-13, .552 PCT
Record in August 16-12, .571 PCT
Record in September 13-10, .565 PCT

Team Batting Stats & Rankings
Batting Average .262 - 4th in NL
On-Base Percentage .339 - 4th in NL
Slugging Percentage .412 - 3rd in NL
On-Base + Slugging .750 - 3rd in NL
Runs Scored 808 - 3rd in NL
Hits 1458 - 4th in NL
Extra-Base Hits 503 - 3rd in NL
Home Runs 144 - tied for 5th in NL
Bases-On-Balls 597 - 8th in NL
Strikeouts 991 - 6th in NL
Stolen Bases 86 - 8th in NL

Team Pitching Stats & Rankings
Earned Run Average 3.94 - 2nd in NL
Starters' ERA 3.98 - 5th in NL
Bullpen ERA 3.85 - 1st in NL
Runs allowed 682 - 2nd in NL
Hits allowed 1269 - 1st in NL
Opponents AVG .235 - 1st in NL
BABIP .259 - 1st in NL
Home Runs allowed 151 - 9th in NL
Bases-On-Balls 613 - 8th in NL
Strikeouts 933 - 10th in NL

Minor League System
Glendale Federals (AAA)
Louisville Blue Raiders (AA)
Newark Victors (A)
Cumberland Rays (R)

Lineups Overview
# B Lineup vs RHP POS # B Lineup vs LHP POS # B Lineup vs RHP+DH POS # B Lineup vs LHP+DH POS
1 R Mario Ortíz CF 1 R Mario Ortíz CF 1 R Mario Ortíz CF 1 R Mario Ortíz CF
2 R Willie Jordan SS 2 R Willie Jordan SS 2 R Willie Jordan SS 2 R Willie Jordan SS
3 R Martín Castillo LF 3 R Martín Castillo LF 3 R Martín Castillo LF 3 R Martín Castillo LF
4 S Domingo Romero 1B 4 S Domingo Romero 1B 4 S Domingo Romero DH 4 S Domingo Romero DH
5 R Dan Hughes 3B 5 R Dan Hughes 3B 5 R Dan Hughes 3B 5 R Dan Hughes 3B
6 R Ron King RF 6 R Ron King RF 6 L Frank Roe 1B 6 L Frank Roe 1B
7 R Robert Peterson 2B 7 R Robert Peterson 2B 7 R Ron King RF 7 R Ron King RF
8 R Edward Ward C 8 R Edward Ward C 8 R Robert Peterson 2B 8 R Robert Peterson 2B








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