OOTP9 Preview--Discussion Thread. - Page 2

Ksyrup · 05-28-2008, 08:10 AM

I have no doubt the coding on things like Ks and cycles is difficult. I'm not sure how to improve the accuracy of the numbers. But the numbers don't seem to be in line with real experience.

I'm looking at a league I simmed through 1969 from 1901. There is 1 18 K game, 6 17 K games, and 6 16 K games. That's it.

Another league I simmed, this one through 2001 - 1 19 K game (Floyd Youmans LOL), 2 18 K games, 7 17 K games, and 13 16 K games.

A little nitpick with the listing of Ks on the Accomplishments screen - the "sorting" feature only sorts by IP, not by Ks, so there's no way to see a real list of the most Ks, you have to pick them out of the list based on either the most IP or the least IP.

Huckleberry · 05-28-2008, 08:27 AM

I used to think cycles were too frequent, as well. As recently as yesterday, in fact.

Then I looked them up and found that from 2000-2007, eight seasons, there were 33 instances. Right at four per year.

There were 71 in this 20-year sim that is presumably based on modern settings.

So I think the problem with cycles is not that they're too frequent in OOTP. It's that their importance and status in OOTP are elevated because they're listed in the historic accomplishments section. In real life you hear about a guy hitting for the cycle and it's neat. Then you forget about it.

Bonegavel · 05-28-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nice Guy Eddie

Actually, a friend of mine is the former Mayor of Easton, and he wanted to build it in Williams Township.(where I live) They actually started construction, and then stopped midway through, only to tear down what they had built (a half stadium) and start all over in the current location.(the old Agere site) Talk about a waste of tax dollars!!!

Damn, I hadn't heard that!

Nice Guy Eddie · 05-28-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonegavel

Damn, I hadn't heard that!

Here you go Bonegavel.

http://blog.pennlive.com/lehighvalle...recurring.html

Bonegavel · 05-28-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nice Guy Eddie

Here you go Bonegavel.

http://blog.pennlive.com/lehighvalle...recurring.html

What a waste. Well, I hope if I buy OOTP9 it won't be a waste.

Markus Heinsohn · 05-28-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I have no doubt the coding on things like Ks and cycles is difficult. I'm not sure how to improve the accuracy of the numbers. But the numbers don't seem to be in line with real experience.

I'm looking at a league I simmed through 1969 from 1901. There is 1 18 K game, 6 17 K games, and 6 16 K games. That's it.

Another league I simmed, this one through 2001 - 1 19 K game (Floyd Youmans LOL), 2 18 K games, 7 17 K games, and 13 16 K games.

A little nitpick with the listing of Ks on the Accomplishments screen - the "sorting" feature only sorts by IP, not by Ks, so there's no way to see a real list of the most Ks, you have to pick them out of the list based on either the most IP or the least IP.

From 1901 to 1969 the simulated number match pretty well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nning_MLB_game

I don't know about your sim up to 2001, by the few high K pitchers just did not turn into what they were in real life in that sim.

RainMaker · 05-28-2008, 06:54 PM

The stats and everything look great. Looks like a lot of areas have improved. Is there a way you could run a sim on the new MLB rosters? I know a lot of people are curious to see how they turn out. Would be the reason for my buying or not buying this version.

samifan24 · 06-11-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Second, on the player card, when a player plays for multiple teams in a season, it makes sense that it be sorted chronologically instead of alphabetically.

Does OOTP feature something like this?

The Baseball Reference website features a "hide partial seasons/show season totals" toggle. The default career history table shows you the season and the team and, by default, shows you "totals" in a year in which a player played on more than one team. Then, if you click "show partial seasons," it will show you the breakdown. Any way this little feature could find its way into the game?

Ksyrup · 06-11-2008, 01:23 PM

That's not been in previous versions. Would be a great addition, though.

Tasan · 06-12-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

The Mac version does... under Windoes this is not that easy to code unfortunately.

ugh...I don't like hearing this....color me disappointed, these kinds of games really would benefit from this support

Markus Heinsohn · 06-12-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Does OOTP feature something like this?

The Baseball Reference website features a "hide partial seasons/show season totals" toggle. The default career history table shows you the season and the team and, by default, shows you "totals" in a year in which a player played on more than one team. Then, if you click "show partial seasons," it will show you the breakdown. Any way this little feature could find its way into the game?

The toggle is not there, but it shows you partial & total lines

Balldog · 06-12-2008, 09:07 PM

Is it possible that I can just play a MLB type league with real players and complete minor leagues? None of that other hoopla - Japan, France, etc.

I just want to be able to do what I could do in OOTP 6 without feeling like I have to take a OOTP 999 college course.

Markus Heinsohn · 06-13-2008, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Balldog

Is it possible that I can just play a MLB type league with real players and complete minor leagues? None of that other hoopla - Japan, France, etc.

Of course!

It's just a single click of a button

Balldog · 06-13-2008, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Of course!

It's just a single click of a button

Haha

PilotMan · 06-13-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

The toggle is not there, but it shows you partial & total lines

Yeah, but Markus, it is really irritating to read stats on lines like this-

2006 Cleveland....
2007 Boston...
2007 Cleveland...
2007 Total..

I shouldn't need to look at the history to see who he finished the season with. Logically in the above he finished with Cleveland, when in the game, he probably finished with Boston.

It should be-

2006 Cleveland
2007 Cleveland
2007 Boston
2007 Total

That is much easier, and faster when I am scanning stats. I play without very accuarate ratings, so scanning stats has to be important.

Thanks

Markus Heinsohn · 06-13-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Yeah, but Markus, it is really irritating to read stats on lines like this-

2006 Cleveland....
2007 Boston...
2007 Cleveland...
2007 Total..

I shouldn't need to look at the history to see who he finished the season with. Logically in the above he finished with Cleveland, when in the game, he probably finished with Boston.

It should be-

2006 Cleveland
2007 Cleveland
2007 Boston
2007 Total

That is much easier, and faster when I am scanning stats. I play without very accuarate ratings, so scanning stats has to be important.

Thanks

I agree, that's why the subtotals have a different color in the player profile screen. The player HTML page/screen does hot have that though, sorry

samifan24 · 06-13-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Yeah, but Markus, it is really irritating to read stats on lines like this-

2006 Cleveland....
2007 Boston...
2007 Cleveland...
2007 Total..

I shouldn't need to look at the history to see who he finished the season with. Logically in the above he finished with Cleveland, when in the game, he probably finished with Boston.

It should be-

2006 Cleveland
2007 Cleveland
2007 Boston
2007 Total

That is much easier, and faster when I am scanning stats. I play without very accuarate ratings, so scanning stats has to be important.

Thanks

Agreed. OOTP throws a lot of numbers at you, much more so than any other text sim (or sport). It would be easier if we could customize the player page appearance to include certain types of information and exclude other types of informatino which we deem superfluous. This would be one example, the "hide partial seasons" toggle would be another. OOTP is all about customization so I think this ability would only further act as a selling point for the game.

ShaneTheMaster · 06-13-2008, 10:57 AM

I am a fairly computer savy person, and I owned OOTP 7, and I had a hard time getting started with the game, as I found it fairly intimidating, as far as managing day-to-day operations of the team.

Does OOTP9 include improvements for new users, such as tutorials, walkthroughs, etc?

Young Drachma · 06-13-2008, 07:15 PM

Traditional v. Sabermetric creation modifiers are the most confusion piece of gobbly-gook ever. No one has any clue what they're supposed to do clearly and it's never been stated definitively what they do. For instance, do the sabermetric modifier control the talent level of kids created in feeder leagues? What is their purpose? Why were they called Sabermetric? It doesn't mean anything to the 'average' person or even a more savvier mind who isn't really a student of sabermetrics.

Some clarity on that would be dandy.

Ksyrup · 06-13-2008, 10:20 PM

I thought there were going to be some sort of "Road to Release" teasers leading up to next week? We got the initial announcement and Ben made a few posts, but then nothing out of the OOTP camp?

samifan24 · 06-15-2008, 09:07 AM

Is it currently possible to create a 10 team fictional league in OOTP and then set the league to expand every few years?

Markus Heinsohn · 06-15-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Is it currently possible to create a 10 team fictional league in OOTP and then set the league to expand every few years?

You can schedule expansion manually exactly the way you want it (# of teams, expansion draft, protection lists etc.)

Markus Heinsohn · 06-15-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Traditional v. Sabermetric creation modifiers are the most confusion piece of gobbly-gook ever. No one has any clue what they're supposed to do clearly and it's never been stated definitively what they do. For instance, do the sabermetric modifier control the talent level of kids created in feeder leagues? What is their purpose? Why were they called Sabermetric? It doesn't mean anything to the 'average' person or even a more savvier mind who isn't really a student of sabermetrics.

Some clarity on that would be dandy.

Anytime an amateur is created, the PCM of the parent league is used for talent. The PCM of a feeder league is just used to calculate the current ability once the player is created, but his talent is calculated using the parent league PCMs.

PCM of affiliated minor leagues are ONLY used in intial league creation. All players created for the amateur draft for the major league use the major league PCMs, and then the current ability is adjusted by using stuff like age or if the players is from college or highschool.

05-28-2008, 08:27 AM	#52
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	I used to think cycles were too frequent, as well. As recently as yesterday, in fact. Then I looked them up and found that from 2000-2007, eight seasons, there were 33 instances. Right at four per year. There were 71 in this 20-year sim that is presumably based on modern settings. So I think the problem with cycles is not that they're too frequent in OOTP. It's that their importance and status in OOTP are elevated because they're listed in the historic accomplishments section. In real life you hear about a guy hitting for the cycle and it's neat. Then you forget about it. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings

06-11-2008, 01:23 PM	#59
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	That's not been in previous versions. Would be a great addition, though. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-13-2008, 10:57 AM	#68
ShaneTheMaster High School JV Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tampa, FL	I am a fairly computer savy person, and I owned OOTP 7, and I had a hard time getting started with the game, as I found it fairly intimidating, as far as managing day-to-day operations of the team. Does OOTP9 include improvements for new users, such as tutorials, walkthroughs, etc? __________________ ShaneTheMaster GM, Savannah Kings (WOOF2) Ex-GM, Austin Rage (USFL) Ex-GM, Cincinatti Bengals, (Replicated NFL) Ex-GM, Tampa Bay Surge, (WLAF)

06-13-2008, 10:20 PM	#70
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I thought there were going to be some sort of "Road to Release" teasers leading up to next week? We got the initial announcement and Ben made a few posts, but then nothing out of the OOTP camp? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-15-2008, 09:07 AM	#71
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Is it currently possible to create a 10 team fictional league in OOTP and then set the league to expand every few years? __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

05-28-2008, 06:54 PM	#57
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	The stats and everything look great. Looks like a lot of areas have improved. Is there a way you could run a sim on the new MLB rosters? I know a lot of people are curious to see how they turn out. Would be the reason for my buying or not buying this version.

06-12-2008, 09:07 PM	#62
Balldog Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Macomb, MI	Is it possible that I can just play a MLB type league with real players and complete minor leagues? None of that other hoopla - Japan, France, etc. I just want to be able to do what I could do in OOTP 6 without feeling like I have to take a OOTP 999 college course.

06-13-2008, 07:15 PM	#69
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Traditional v. Sabermetric creation modifiers are the most confusion piece of gobbly-gook ever. No one has any clue what they're supposed to do clearly and it's never been stated definitively what they do. For instance, do the sabermetric modifier control the talent level of kids created in feeder leagues? What is their purpose? Why were they called Sabermetric? It doesn't mean anything to the 'average' person or even a more savvier mind who isn't really a student of sabermetrics. Some clarity on that would be dandy.

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