WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN - Page 38

Chief Rum · 10-06-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

what's with chief's cutesy abe vote?

Follow the quote thread. Gramm asked a question that seems to point out a contradiction in Abe's game rules/description. To which, Abe only responds with "excellent question". Bastard.

So he got a joke vote from me.

I am still deciding who to vote for myself. Not sure I buy the run on EF. Same reasoning on RA seems likely to apply to me. Actually that's a problem with the Thomkal voters, we all seem to have bad records and nothing else to separate us. I'm not sure I understand why EF and RA have gotten more run.

I am not a wolf, though, myself, so obviously this reasoning is not without its holes.

SnDvls · 10-06-2011, 03:55 PM

Option #3 as I'll be traveling on Saturday and doing phone posting until Tuesday afternoon

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

The abe vote was a joke FYI you can remove it

heh I thought I did. I wasn't paying too close attention when I put it in and forgot to take it out. Unfortunately I cannot take it out. That would be editing. *slaps hands*

Thomkal · 10-06-2011, 03:56 PM

#1 for me.

Chief Rum · 10-06-2011, 03:56 PM

Here you go, CF.

UNVOTE ABE

Chief Rum · 10-06-2011, 03:58 PM

I like #1, and then if a tiebreaker is needed, #2.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Follow the quote thread. Gramm asked a question that seems to point out a contradiction in Abe's game rules/description. To which, Abe only responds with "excellent question". Bastard.

So he got a joke vote from me.

I am still deciding who to vote for myself. Not sure I buy the run on EF. Same reasoning on RA seems likely to apply to me. Actually that's a problem with the Thomkal voters, we all seem to have bad records and nothing else to separate us. I'm not sure I understand why EF and RA have gotten more run.

I am not a wolf, though, myself, so obviously this reasoning is not without its holes.

well at least you're talking finally .

So what do you think about the first three days? Convert candidates? Originals left? I'd have to think ntn was original and I'd have to think Zinto as the "Leader" was an original. Anything but convert candidates left I wonder.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Here you go, CF.

UNVOTE ABE

That completes me.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 03:59 PM

Now I have to go read what this #1/2/3 business is all about as all i can think about is the bathroom.

Commo_Soldier · 10-06-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

WEEKEND QUESTION:

How would you like to play the weekend?

Several options:

1). Day Five ends on Friday Night, Night Five ends four hours later, but Day Six ends Sunday Night, and Night Six Sunday morning
2). Day Five Ends Friday Night, Night Five ends some random time over the weekend, like say noon on Saturday, and then Day Six ends Sunday Night
3). Day Five ends Friday night, Night five four hours later, no Sunday dates at all
4). Any other combination of those that you want

Post your pref

I'm good for whatever as I have nothing major planned as of now.

Thinking about votes, I think EF is a great candidate, but don't want to have him with 2x as many votes as number two. I think RA would be a better exorcism candidate than lynch candidate. So based on others with votes and to see where this goes as I have some doubts about him.

CF

at least until I get home in a few hours.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

WEEKEND QUESTION:

How would you like to play the weekend?

Several options:

1). Day Five ends on Friday Night, Night Five ends four hours later, but Day Six ends Sunday Night, and Night Six Sunday morning
2). Day Five Ends Friday Night, Night Five ends some random time over the weekend, like say noon on Saturday, and then Day Six ends Sunday Night
3). Day Five ends Friday night, Night five four hours later, no Sunday dates at all
4). Any other combination of those that you want

Post your pref

3 I think. Don't like the weekends.

Autumn · 10-06-2011, 04:08 PM

#2 would be fine with me, but that's fine if others can't do that.

Autumn · 10-06-2011, 04:09 PM

Commo, that won't count without a "vote"

hoopsguy · 10-06-2011, 04:12 PM

I would probably be fine with any of these, but I know weekend play for this many people is probably going to be an issue.

Commo_Soldier · 10-06-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Commo, that won't count without a "vote"

Dang it

vote CF

Chief Rum · 10-06-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

well at least you're talking finally .

So what do you think about the first three days? Convert candidates? Originals left? I'd have to think ntn was original and I'd have to think Zinto as the "Leader" was an original. Anything but convert candidates left I wonder.

I have always been talking, just not the post diarrhea you do.

I have generally come to the conclusion that The Jackal is good (before Bug's reveal). I thought mauboy1 was a person to look closer at (and has also since been marked as good). So take my observations FWIW.

As I said two days ago when The Jackal was playing funky games with his votes, I couldn't see doing that as a wolf with ntn already gone. So Bug's confirmation did not surprise me.

I thought Bug a good candidate before his reveal. Bug always seems a little off during games, though, which makes it harder to read when he's being weird as a wolf, weird as a roled villager of importance, or weird to be weird. For now, I buy his reveal.

I am very curious about dzilla still being alive, but not enough to sway from other more likely candidates.

I think we started with at least three wolves, so I don't think we only have converts out there.

For converts, I would look at players who changed their opinions sharply on players, or who clammed up after being loud early on.

As an argument, I don't disagree with the concept of looking at Thomkal voters, except for the fact that I am one of them.

Incidentally, I agree with the logic that no wolf would put Thomkal out there as the other candidate with Thomkal as a wolf. I am pretty convinced he is a villager now. I also agreed with Danny's logic about the voting that puts J23 as a villager.

Convert targets? You have to look at stronger players with not much risk of being voted out right now. hoops is a good target, with a good Zinto vote. You, CF, would be a good target, although I consider it unlikely, as you are too out front and also made a questionable vote on Day #3. Autumn and Narc would also be good convert targets. I would also say dubb, but I think he has been too much on people's tongues at times early on to be one. As we get further into the game and he's mentioned less, though, he becomes a better convert target.

Sorry, stream of consciousness.

dzilla77 · 10-06-2011, 04:33 PM

Unvote Bug

Will figure out who to vote sometime this evening.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 04:36 PM

I agree with you about being a bad target as I am too far forward but my day 3 vote was the deciding vote on zinto in a case where they were already down 1 early. I also announced I was wanting to move to zinto beforehand I did it. Like I said I went back to thomkal to keep it close and see what others were doing.

My desire at the time was to vote bug but everyone else followed me OFF of Bug and thom and zinto were both on my quiet list and like you I didn't care if there was a tie. And very minorly (unbeknownst to anybody as I didn't spell it out) i wanted to test to see if my object was going to give me extra votes or not, something the item hints at but doesn't really say. I still didn't really get to test that at all and I didn't flop back to thomkal because after his extranations I trusted him more than zinto.

I also wanted to see what other movement would happen but I did prefer a zinto lynch over a thomkal lynch which is why i switched and was in thread the whole night with plenty of time to do so.

dzilla77 · 10-06-2011, 04:51 PM

As for why I am alive, I can only speculate that the body guard was protecting me or that one of my items was.

dubb93 · 10-06-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Convert targets? You have to look at stronger players with not much risk of being voted out right now. hoops is a good target, with a good Zinto vote. You, CF, would be a good target, although I consider it unlikely, as you are too out front and also made a questionable vote on Day #3. Autumn and Narc would also be good convert targets. I would also say dubb, but I think he has been too much on people's tongues at times early on to be one. As we get further into the game and he's mentioned less, though, he becomes a better convert target.

#1: For your sake just assume I am impossible to convert. Will make it easier going forward since I'm not a wolf.

#2: I'm not sure the fact that CF made a questionable day 3 vote is a reason for him to not be converted. He would have clearly been converted prior to that and IMO that actually makes him more likely to have been converted. He did everything except put a force field around Zinto. I mean, yea he voted Zinto, but then it seemed he jumped on every other possible bandwagon prior to being called out on it and eventually swapping back to Zinto.

#3: I always assume Hoops is a wolf. I would convert him.

#4: For that matter I would have converted you too CR. What's your story?

SnDvls · 10-06-2011, 05:09 PM

I would be in favor of a Chief Rum vs Eagle Fan runoff tonight

SnDvls · 10-06-2011, 05:11 PM

dola or any combo of Raider's Army / Chief Rum / EaglesFan too as I don't have a good read on them at all.

MrBug708 · 10-06-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dzilla77

As for why I am alive, I can only speculate that the body guard was protecting me or that one of my items was.

You have more than one item?

MrBug708 · 10-06-2011, 05:15 PM

FWIW, just because I scanned someone and it's shown they are good, doesnt mean they are good. And as it's been said, they can be converted after I've scanned them. I would imagine I am a target now for a killing, while those I've "cleared", still have the possibility of being converted.

My power is pretty weak in the scheme of the game and the numbers.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

FWIW, just because I scanned someone and it's shown they are good, doesnt mean they are good. And as it's been said, they can be converted after I've scanned them. I would imagine I am a target now for a killing, while those I've "cleared", still have the possibility of being converted.

My power is pretty weak in the scheme of the game and the numbers.

exactly bug, that's why I asked for an order of appearance.

Raiders Army · 10-06-2011, 05:24 PM

VOTE EAGLEFAN

Self-preservation, although I can tell you I'm just a vanilla Lightbringer.

Raiders Army · 10-06-2011, 05:26 PM

I'm on briefly before I have to go to my daughter's football game (she's a cheerleader, no linebacker jokes). Does anyone have any specific questions for me?

MrBug708 · 10-06-2011, 05:26 PM

This is my plea of salvation, but I would probably be a bad night kill because if I keep scanning villagers, the wolves can move pretty effective behind the scenes, converting people who I had previously killed.

It's a weak effort, but I don't want to end up wolf food

Raiders Army · 10-06-2011, 05:27 PM

I have voted on gut instinct, nothing more than that, BTW.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 05:27 PM

ugh just had to argue with a credit card company to remove $2.08 over finance charge and then call a proection services company to remove the extra $.02 it would have dinged me for.

Ugh. such stupidity.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

This is my plea of salvation, but I would probably be a bad night kill because if I keep scanning villagers, the wolves can move pretty effective behind the scenes, converting people who I had previously killed.

It's a weak effort, but I don't want to end up wolf food

You previously killed people?

I think the word is "scanned". At least I HOPE that's what you meant.

MrBug708 · 10-06-2011, 05:31 PM

lol..err ya.

Chief Rum · 10-06-2011, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

#1: For your sake just assume I am impossible to convert. Will make it easier going forward since I'm not a wolf.

#2: I'm not sure the fact that CF made a questionable day 3 vote is a reason for him to not be converted. He would have clearly been converted prior to that and IMO that actually makes him more likely to have been converted. He did everything except put a force field around Zinto. I mean, yea he voted Zinto, but then it seemed he jumped on every other possible bandwagon prior to being called out on it and eventually swapping back to Zinto.

#3: I always assume Hoops is a wolf. I would convert him.

#4: For that matter I would have converted you too CR. What's your story?

#1-- Heh... I wasn't really trying to make an argument that they actually would come after you. Just noting a strong player with some trust or at least out of the limelight has to be considered a convert possibility.

#2-- My belief CF has not been converted is more based on the point that he is so forward in this game and driving convo. Pretty risky position to maintain if you have been converted, and pretty obvious to non-wolves if it stops. The vote was more about whether the wolves would also stay away from him because he might draw heat.

#3-- I would too! I actually think hoops is the strongest convert candidate. Strongest player with the best voting record and no heat whatsoever.

#4-- I would have mentioned myself as a target, but I'm naturally modest about my recognition of others' beliefs in my generally strong play. Also, I have a very poor voting record, which is why I am being looked at today. There are better convert candidates, as a result.

dzilla77 · 10-06-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

You have more than one item?

I said yesterday (I think - too lazy to look it up now) that someone passed me an item. I also still have my original item.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dzilla77

I said yesterday (I think - too lazy to look it up now) that someone passed me an item. I also still have my original item.

want mine? I can't get it to work. Maybe I need to buy the batteries separately.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 06:25 PM

So that brings us to here:

Bug 1 - Eaglefan (1758)
raiders 3 - Thomkal (1708) Autumn (1725) Jackal (1760)
crimsonfox 2 - dubb (1769) commo (1865)
eaglefan 6 - hoops (1784) gramma (1819) Narcizo (1829) j23 (1837) SnDvls (1845) Raiders (1876)
Abe - ZERO

dzilla77 · 10-06-2011, 06:27 PM

vote CR

I don't like the runaway on EF and I can't quite bring myself to believe RA is wolf yet based on day1

MrBug708 · 10-06-2011, 06:28 PM

I wonder the reasoning behind passing items? Or was the passed item one that benefits you specifically?

dzilla77 · 10-06-2011, 06:28 PM

eh nevermind about CR - he has no vote yet.

unvote CR
vote RA

Still don't like it but, I don't like the runaway on EF.

dzilla77 · 10-06-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

want mine? I can't get it to work. Maybe I need to buy the batteries separately.

You might be waiting a few decades

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 06:31 PM

I kinda trust thomkal, Autumn, and Jackal not to be wolves today.

sndvls, those choices aren't bad ones. Chief was one of two picks I spoke of yesterday for his vote yesterday and his quietness. Now he's talking and analyzing which I like. But chief has no votes right now so would seem a wasted vote now anyway, even tho I might prefer to.

Currently a 4 + 1 run on EF with only one person I THINK I trust as good in J23. But I trust really that j23 was good the first 2 days.

Would be better if this were closer I think, but will standby if for some ungodly reason I have to make a save my ass vote.

vote raiders

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 06:32 PM

ack....okay I was typing that WHEN the last four posts were made

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dzilla77

You might be waiting a few decades

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I wonder the reasoning behind passing items? Or was the passed item one that benefits you specifically?

I was wondering that too. Since we don't seem to know what anything does except for things like "Charm of Protection Against
COuld items have been passed previously to gain trust?

MrBug708 · 10-06-2011, 06:39 PM

I think someone admitting to sending dzilla his sent item would go a long ways to building some trust. Maybe not revealing today, but tomorrow

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 06:39 PM

*sigh* I used less than/greater than signs and it cut them out.

It should have said
"Charm Against *Insert Gruesome Monster Here*"

SnDvls · 10-06-2011, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I was wondering that too. Since we don't seem to know what anything does except for things like "Charm of Protection Against
COuld items have been passed previously to gain trust?

Could have but you don't know who item came from just that you got item

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 06:40 PM

I think other people were passing items on night 1 as well. I remember them talking about it.

Commo_Soldier · 10-06-2011, 06:40 PM

Back from work.

CrimsonFox · 10-06-2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

Could have but you don't know who item came from just that you got item

I'm not saying I got an item, just that people were talking about having passed items.

10-06-2011, 03:56 PM	#1855
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Here you go, CF. UNVOTE ABE __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-06-2011, 03:58 PM	#1856
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I like #1, and then if a tiebreaker is needed, #2. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-06-2011, 06:40 PM	#1899
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	Back from work. __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-06-2011, 03:55 PM	#1852
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	Option #3 as I'll be traveling on Saturday and doing phone posting until Tuesday afternoon

10-06-2011, 03:56 PM	#1854
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	#1 for me.

10-06-2011, 03:59 PM	#1859
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Now I have to go read what this #1/2/3 business is all about as all i can think about is the bathroom.

10-06-2011, 04:08 PM	#1862
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	#2 would be fine with me, but that's fine if others can't do that.

10-06-2011, 04:09 PM	#1863
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Commo, that won't count without a "vote"

10-06-2011, 04:12 PM	#1864
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I would probably be fine with any of these, but I know weekend play for this many people is probably going to be an issue.

10-06-2011, 04:33 PM	#1867
dzilla77 High School Varsity Join Date: May 2011	Unvote Bug Will figure out who to vote sometime this evening.

10-06-2011, 04:36 PM	#1868
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I agree with you about being a bad target as I am too far forward but my day 3 vote was the deciding vote on zinto in a case where they were already down 1 early. I also announced I was wanting to move to zinto beforehand I did it. Like I said I went back to thomkal to keep it close and see what others were doing. My desire at the time was to vote bug but everyone else followed me OFF of Bug and thom and zinto were both on my quiet list and like you I didn't care if there was a tie. And very minorly (unbeknownst to anybody as I didn't spell it out) i wanted to test to see if my object was going to give me extra votes or not, something the item hints at but doesn't really say. I still didn't really get to test that at all and I didn't flop back to thomkal because after his extranations I trusted him more than zinto. I also wanted to see what other movement would happen but I did prefer a zinto lynch over a thomkal lynch which is why i switched and was in thread the whole night with plenty of time to do so.

10-06-2011, 04:51 PM	#1869
dzilla77 High School Varsity Join Date: May 2011	As for why I am alive, I can only speculate that the body guard was protecting me or that one of my items was.

10-06-2011, 05:09 PM	#1871
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I would be in favor of a Chief Rum vs Eagle Fan runoff tonight

10-06-2011, 05:11 PM	#1872
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	dola or any combo of Raider's Army / Chief Rum / EaglesFan too as I don't have a good read on them at all.

10-06-2011, 05:15 PM	#1874
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	FWIW, just because I scanned someone and it's shown they are good, doesnt mean they are good. And as it's been said, they can be converted after I've scanned them. I would imagine I am a target now for a killing, while those I've "cleared", still have the possibility of being converted. My power is pretty weak in the scheme of the game and the numbers.

10-06-2011, 05:24 PM	#1876
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	VOTE EAGLEFAN Self-preservation, although I can tell you I'm just a vanilla Lightbringer.

10-06-2011, 05:26 PM	#1877
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm on briefly before I have to go to my daughter's football game (she's a cheerleader, no linebacker jokes). Does anyone have any specific questions for me?

10-06-2011, 05:26 PM	#1878
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	This is my plea of salvation, but I would probably be a bad night kill because if I keep scanning villagers, the wolves can move pretty effective behind the scenes, converting people who I had previously killed. It's a weak effort, but I don't want to end up wolf food

10-06-2011, 05:27 PM	#1879
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I have voted on gut instinct, nothing more than that, BTW.

10-06-2011, 05:27 PM	#1880
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	ugh just had to argue with a credit card company to remove $2.08 over finance charge and then call a proection services company to remove the extra $.02 it would have dinged me for. Ugh. such stupidity.

10-06-2011, 05:31 PM	#1882
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	lol..err ya.

10-06-2011, 06:25 PM	#1886
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	So that brings us to here: Bug 1 - Eaglefan (1758) raiders 3 - Thomkal (1708) Autumn (1725) Jackal (1760) crimsonfox 2 - dubb (1769) commo (1865) eaglefan 6 - hoops (1784) gramma (1819) Narcizo (1829) j23 (1837) SnDvls (1845) Raiders (1876) Abe - ZERO

10-06-2011, 06:27 PM	#1887
dzilla77 High School Varsity Join Date: May 2011	vote CR I don't like the runaway on EF and I can't quite bring myself to believe RA is wolf yet based on day1

10-06-2011, 06:28 PM	#1888
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I wonder the reasoning behind passing items? Or was the passed item one that benefits you specifically?

10-06-2011, 06:28 PM	#1889
dzilla77 High School Varsity Join Date: May 2011	eh nevermind about CR - he has no vote yet. unvote CR vote RA Still don't like it but, I don't like the runaway on EF.

10-06-2011, 06:31 PM	#1891
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I kinda trust thomkal, Autumn, and Jackal not to be wolves today. sndvls, those choices aren't bad ones. Chief was one of two picks I spoke of yesterday for his vote yesterday and his quietness. Now he's talking and analyzing which I like. But chief has no votes right now so would seem a wasted vote now anyway, even tho I might prefer to. Currently a 4 + 1 run on EF with only one person I THINK I trust as good in J23. But I trust really that j23 was good the first 2 days. Would be better if this were closer I think, but will standby if for some ungodly reason I have to make a save my ass vote. vote raiders

10-06-2011, 06:32 PM	#1892
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	ack....okay I was typing that WHEN the last four posts were made

10-06-2011, 06:39 PM	#1895
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I think someone admitting to sending dzilla his sent item would go a long ways to building some trust. Maybe not revealing today, but tomorrow

10-06-2011, 06:39 PM	#1896
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	sigh I used less than/greater than signs and it cut them out. It should have said "Charm Against Insert Gruesome Monster Here"

10-06-2011, 06:40 PM	#1898
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I think other people were passing items on night 1 as well. I remember them talking about it.

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