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12-02-2015, 01:56 PM
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Location: Morgan Hill, CA
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And yet ANOTHER mass shooting... (San Bernardino)
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12-02-2015, 02:08 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Center for people with developmental disabilities... obvious what the way too early to say cause for this one is going to be?
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12-02-2015, 02:20 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Northern Kentucky
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Another sad day in America.
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12-02-2015, 02:28 PM
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Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com |
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12-02-2015, 02:55 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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Yet the murder rate in this country is on the decline
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12-02-2015, 03:10 PM
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Sure is, so next time you see someone use a situation like this to harp on black-on-black crime, ask yourself if it makes sense to focus on the type of killings that are decreasing rather than increasing in frequency. |
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12-02-2015, 03:16 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Three shooters who left the scene and a bomb doesn't sound like the common MO for this one
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12-02-2015, 03:31 PM
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Location: Where Hip Hop lives
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Don't shoot the messenger... on the UCLA Scout site, a fireman on site with his unit says the shooters are thought to be of Middle Eastern descent. I believe he said that came from local police. I'm not putting much weight into it until we learn more though.
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12-02-2015, 03:34 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: MA
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Yeah, seems like a weird target if that turns out to be the case.
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12-02-2015, 03:36 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Yeah, two obvious scenarios and this doesn't particularly seem to fit either right now
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12-02-2015, 03:37 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Whittier
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One of the suspects worked at the center apparently
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12-02-2015, 03:41 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
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CBS was reporting that the amphitheater at the location was rented out to a third party group not affiliated with the center. They are saying the attack may be related to the third party rather than a connection to the facility since it happened within that event.
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12-02-2015, 04:34 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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Military gear, automatic weapons, and a plan. This sounds scary.
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12-02-2015, 05:34 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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Looks like they pulled over the SUV and have some people in custody. This is minute-by-minute stuff, including some things over scanners, so it could potentially be inaccurate and/or unrelated, but there's clearly a lot of activity around the SUV
[live] San Bernardino Shooting Last edited by molson : 12-02-2015 at 05:34 PM. |
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12-02-2015, 05:41 PM
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One suspect 'is down' per msn.com
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12-02-2015, 05:53 PM
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Location: Covington, Ga.
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Pete Williams is saying two down, one in custody.
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12-02-2015, 06:40 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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So why were they targeting a county health department Christmas Party. A team of 3 shooters is pretty odd.
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12-02-2015, 06:52 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Austin, TX
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The scary thing is the military gear and automatic weapons... WTF?!
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12-02-2015, 06:56 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Somebody got into an argument at the party and returned armed with 2 friends, according to the LA Times. So much WTF in there, I don't know where to start.
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12-02-2015, 07:17 PM
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Location: Austin, TX
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People are fucking sick in the head is waht
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12-02-2015, 07:29 PM
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Location: Cary, NC
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I've always said the US may lose a lot of industries but we will always lead the world in violent, heavily armed nutjobs.
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12-02-2015, 07:38 PM
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Have you never heard of the middle east? |
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12-02-2015, 07:38 PM
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I like to think we have quality over quantity.
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12-02-2015, 07:39 PM
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Per police: one male and one female suspect were shot and killed.
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12-02-2015, 07:42 PM
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USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!
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12-02-2015, 08:28 PM
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Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews)
6 mins ago JUST IN: Multiple law enforcement sources identify 1 suspect in Calif. mass shooting as Sayeed Farook - NBC News (@NBCNews) 5 mins ago JUST IN: Suspect in #SanBernardino shooting ID'd as Syed Farook; Another believed to be Farook's brother:
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12-02-2015, 08:33 PM
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12-02-2015, 08:42 PM
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Nice work
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12-02-2015, 08:44 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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What's up with the sheriff/coroner/public administrator making over 600k?
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12-02-2015, 08:47 PM
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Their database appears to include cost of benefits. His actually salary is around $200k See this page for why I say that. 2011–2013 salaries for San Bernardino County | Transparent California
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12-02-2015, 08:52 PM
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Location: Newburgh, NY
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When I clicked on his name I saw his other pay went up by 120k and his benefits went up by 100k from 2013 to 2014.
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12-02-2015, 09:23 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Daily News taking a swing...
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Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com |
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12-02-2015, 09:45 PM
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A swing? That's a fucking haymaker.
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12-02-2015, 09:50 PM
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Pretty much casts them as part of the problem afaic. Fuck 'em.
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12-02-2015, 10:08 PM
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The most depressing part of all of this is how thoroughly unphased I am by everything that's happened since Sandy Hook.
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12-02-2015, 10:33 PM
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Its about time. Everyone acts like they care, but nobody cares because nothing ever changes.
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12-02-2015, 11:47 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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Does anyone on the left have a solution to stopping it? I hear a lot of talk about how it needs to end but no real solutions.
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12-02-2015, 11:50 PM
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There happen to be plenty of suggestions (I mean listen to the Democratic debate when the issue of gun control came out), but the right doesn't want to hear any of them, really and just bleats on that they won't work. I'll channel, Jon for a second - the right wing in this country has blood on their hands and they don't care.
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12-03-2015, 12:07 AM
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I believe in more gun control, but not gun elimination. . . and I really don't understand this though. The vast majority of gun owner do not have blood on their hands. Does everyone who owns a car have blood on their hands because they don't have an interest in banning vehicles? Yes, the gun lobby fights legislation and part of the reason they fight it is because legislation isn't the goal, a full ban is. Beyond that, we have a situation here where two thugs dressed in full body armor shot up an F'ing Christmas party and had BOMBS. Do you think if they couldn't have had a gun, they would have just stopped and said "well, that sucks, guess we can't kill them like we wanted too, lets go to IHOP" and moved on? Seriously? If you feel that way, I don't really know what to say. The hands with blood are the people who did this. It might feel good to think we can stop this with a law or two, but I fail to see how it will. If you want to have a mass killing and you don't give a rats ass about your own life? You'll find a way. Again, I with gun laws were tightened up further, but I don't think any gun laws are going to stop people like this. They have always existed and they always will. |
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12-03-2015, 12:14 AM
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Totally off-base (and apologies for being somewhat off-thread) but theres an undercover police officer listed there with a salary of $1.69m ... ? .... is this normal? Last edited by Marc Vaughan : 12-03-2015 at 12:17 AM. |
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12-03-2015, 12:25 AM
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There are easy solutions. Unfortunately nobody is much interested in enacting them. |
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12-03-2015, 12:31 AM
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I saw that, I'm assuming its an error. Officers in big cities can rack up pretty huge salaries with overtime pay, but nothing like that. The highest paid police chiefs in the biggest cities make $200k-$300k. Long-time regular police in big or wealthy cities can crack six figures if they work enough, but most make way, way less. I wonder if they pulled from a database category that included an entire undercover department or something. I found myself on that website and my salary was off - though not by that much. Last edited by molson : 12-03-2015 at 12:34 AM. |
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12-03-2015, 02:10 AM
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The shooters apparently had a 6 month old girl.
Poor girl
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12-03-2015, 04:53 AM
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Like what? Mind you most of the gun crime is committed by people who can't lawfully own a firearm. |
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12-03-2015, 05:40 AM
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The easy solution he is talking about is the repeal of the 2nd Amendment and banning/elimination of all firearms through a massive police enforcement policy accomplished primarily through aggressive search and seizure tactics on a national scale. The only solution they see is the disarmament of the people. Last edited by Dutch : 12-03-2015 at 05:42 AM. |
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12-03-2015, 05:49 AM
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You can ban firearms, make it a crime to own them, without breaking into people's houses and rummaging through their property. Will it eliminate all firearms? No, of course not. Will it make it significantly more difficult to get your hands on a firearm? Yes, it will. It will take time and I'm sure there will still be a school or theatre shot up by a lunatic every couple of weeks or so for next couple of decades, but long term it will make a difference. At this point, what's the alternative? An armed soldier on every corner of every public gathering point? How is that less oppressive than giving up your right to bear arms?
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12-03-2015, 05:58 AM
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Just outlaw the manufacture and sale of ammunition to the general public.
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12-03-2015, 06:01 AM
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I'm not giving up my weapons because some fringe psychopaths are deciding to become domestic terrorists. |
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12-03-2015, 06:06 AM
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Is this world-wide or just within our borders? Like outlawing the manufacturing and sale of drugs? Is that what you mean? Last edited by Dutch : 12-03-2015 at 06:08 AM. |
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12-03-2015, 06:11 AM
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"Some" doesn't even begin to accurately describe the situation going on in your country right now. I'm sure owning a weapon would be pretty cool, but at the same time I don't think it's worth the innocent lives being lost every time someone loses their temper and starts firing into a crowd.
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