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Would definitely love a spot in the new league you're cooking up using this. It sounds like FOF Nirvana or pretty close to it.
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10-15-2011, 02:01 PM | #52 |
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One thought on rolling this out a bit. Maybe a good next step might be to use a game set up this way as a new "one and done" challenge? Set up a league, maybe even narrow things down to run right from the start of the draft (with a full complement of picks already pre-compressed into that draft) -- and you download the fils and play from there -- building your entire team forever completely out of one QB-WR-nerfed draft. See how you can do against a league without such restrictions.
I am liking this idea a lot. Last edited by QuikSand : 10-15-2011 at 02:01 PM. |
10-15-2011, 02:13 PM | #53 |
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Ditto QS's thought, if possible. I find myself ready to jump into this where I had all but quit SP because I didn't have the patience to deal with the "house rules". This will equalize the playing field.
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If there was a way to create a full complement of players to start a new league this way that would be a nice option as well.
I guess I'm thinking along the same line as QuikSand, instead of a OPU file or using FOF players to start a league, create 2,000+ players to start a brand new league with instead, then have a complete draft of these nerfed QB/WR players. EDIT I'm thinking along the same lines as you are Ben with regards to the RB's. Maybe there should be a few more, due to the QB/WR nerf. All in all, the stats they are putting up are in the normal range and if teams need to focus on the RB a little more, then 20+ won't give all 32 teams a good to great RB. If you're going to have 2 of them, then even less teams will end up with a good to great RB. Last edited by ozias : 10-15-2011 at 03:13 PM. |
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Just to be clear, while I'm excited about the prospect of possibly playing in a MP league where every team is nerfed this way, here is what I am referencing:
The "One and Done Challenge" - Front Office Football Central A single player game, anyone who wants to play gets to grab the files and start from the same point, but all our players would come from one draft that has been nerfed as described in this thread. Full original details here, but check out the thread to see where this went a few years ago when a couple dozen people played it out: Quote:
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10-15-2011, 04:10 PM | #58 | |
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10-15-2011, 04:26 PM | #59 |
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Not very many high rated megastuds, but there are a few.
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And when I give a count of "xx+", that just means there were more than "xx" since the list only held 25 players. Last edited by Nemesis : 10-15-2011 at 04:27 PM. |
10-15-2011, 04:42 PM | #60 |
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Im just about done with 30 years worth. Went a little slower than I wanted as I cant seem to fast sim through thru the seasons, I end up playing SP like I normally would. I'll post my results when I get done. They seem to be very close to what Ozias and Nemesis have posted.
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10-15-2011, 05:00 PM | #61 |
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Going by what Ben mentioned earlier, I wouldn't be surprised if all of us have results that are close to one another. That's a good thing as it shows the adjustments Ben has made worked, especially since the four of us had similar results.
Granted Nemisis has some players with higher currents than I did, but I think that comes from the randomness of FOF. It also would depend on where some of the players develop. Nemesis' stud count looks similar to what I had as well, 12 players rated 80 or above in the season. I like the fact he had only 1 QB rated over 70, and the one in my league is 69, so it looks like those guys would be the "rare" QB superstars, which is nice to see. He also had just 3 WR's rated 50+, and I had 4, so even this is spot on. Nemesis, did any of your WR's have an extremely high BPR, or did you have someone in the 60's range as the highest BPR? Last edited by ozias : 10-15-2011 at 05:00 PM. |
10-15-2011, 05:27 PM | #62 |
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Lets get this one and done kicking.. It would be fun to dig in and see what happens.
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10-15-2011, 05:44 PM | #63 | |
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BPR is really held down. It's likely that the lone 80+ BPR player (who happens to be rated 64/64 overall) was just a VSOL. |
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10-15-2011, 06:38 PM | #64 |
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To be perfectly clear, I was far more concerned/interested in the talent of the other 14 position groups than the QBs and WRs. There is an absolute hard ceiling on those two positions, and an additional hard ceiling on BPR. The code is very precise with that. The much greater concern was getting the other talent correct. I feel pretty good about that piece now. I just updated the talent probability table for one (I hope) final time. I'm going to test that. Assuming it works how I think it will, I'll set up a One N Done Challenge, probably tomorrow morning.
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10-16-2011, 01:21 PM | #65 |
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One and Done Challenge posted.
The "One And Done Challenge" Redux, with a QB/WR nerfed draft file. - Front Office Football Central
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10-16-2011, 05:31 PM | #66 | |
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just to be perfectly clear, have the yearly draft csv files you previously posted been updated with the most current versions of the formulas you've developed (ie adjustments made after this post, etc)? In other words, is there any reason to hold off on starting a SP career with the intention of using the posted draft files? Thanks, great project. |
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10-16-2011, 06:20 PM | #68 | ||
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I'm probably mixing up terminology, but what I was referring to was the link below that was in your initial post. If I download files from that link, am I getting your latest and greatest. It sounds like the answer is yes, but I want to be sure. Thanks for your patience in clearing this up for me. Quote:
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Ah, ok. this is the disconnect/misunderstanding: the php page actually creates a new csv every time someone browses to it, with a unique name, based on the latest code that I've uploaded. If you refresh the same page with the same year 50 times, you'll get 50 different draft files for the same year. Think of the php page as like a .exe file on the internet. Any time I say "the code is updated," I'm saying that if you browse to that link, it'll build you a csv file based on my latest code tweaks.
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(Working on the version that will create an entire league csv now. Don't know if I'll finish it tonight before I head to bed, but I wouldn't be shocked.
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10-16-2011, 06:32 PM | #71 |
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This is absolutely awesome stuff.
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10-16-2011, 08:41 PM | #72 |
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This is going to take longer than expected, not because of the ratings. That part is easy. It's the stuff like needing to get experience right in the league that's taking extra time.
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10-17-2011, 08:46 AM | #73 |
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I finished League File Generator shortly before heading to bed last night and did a successful import. Need to tweak a few things (% developed, too many players with good KR/PR ratings, maybe one or two others), then it'll be ready for release.
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10-17-2011, 02:00 PM | #74 |
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Ben, if you need any more testing done, just let me know, I'll be more than happy to run thru another 30 years for you.
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10-17-2011, 03:08 PM | #75 |
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You can try out the League File Generator, which is now live. Link in first post.
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10-17-2011, 03:18 PM | #76 |
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Tried that, but keep getting this error.
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The draft class is still working though. Last edited by ozias : 10-17-2011 at 03:20 PM. |
10-17-2011, 03:20 PM | #77 |
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Try again. I moved these into a new directory and didn't move everything that needed to go with them. You should get full files now.
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10-17-2011, 03:27 PM | #78 |
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It's working now. Thanks!
Looking forward to a full draft class of players, followed by the draft classes each season thereafter. |
10-17-2011, 03:30 PM | #79 |
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The league file may still need some tweaking, mainly for PR/KR ratings and for amount of development of players in the league. Let me know if you see anything.
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I think you may be using the wrong converter. For the full league file, use the FOF2K7 Player File Generator.
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Oh, and don't use the X-Factor when you start the league. FOF will override my nerfs if you do that.
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Can't stress this one enough. With X-Factor on, FOF will produce QBs and WRs rated in the 80s.
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10-17-2011, 09:08 PM | #84 |
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Ben, extremely appreciative of the work you have done and looking forward to using your utility. One question. Is it feasible to add an option with your code to be able to input a starting year for your draft/league file generators and have it create the appropriate birth years?
Again, thanks for your tremendous dedication to the game, the community and it's members. Belay my last. It's all in the game already. Thanks. Last edited by NawlinsFan : 10-17-2011 at 09:25 PM. |
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For those who have created files recently, I've been doing some tweaking of this over the last few days, and just did what I suspect might be the final tweak. (Overall talent had gotten a little high due to some recent tweaks. I think I've brought it back down to where it should be now.)
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10-27-2011, 07:27 AM | #87 |
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Is there a MP league starting somewhere using these Generators? I would be interested.
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It's not all put together yet (mainly because I want to test this a bit more) but it is very likely to happen in the near future.
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I was running a MP league test until Fof crashed. ( don't think that had much to do with the files). I was wondering what overall stats you use to decided the talent %.
ig: 87-100 Rare Superstar - 0.3% 80-86 Superstar - 1.4% 73-79 Near Superstar - 1.8% 66-72 Elite Starter - 1.7% 59-65 Excellent Starter - 3.5% 52-58 Very Good-Plus Starter - 4.3% 45-51 Very Good Starter - 6.0% 38-44 Good Starter - 16.2% 31-37 Decent backup - 27.2% 0-30 Roster Filler - 37.6% I might run another sim later. Last edited by Erik Holland : 10-28-2011 at 01:55 AM. |
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Dola:
I simply roll 1d1000000 and reference this table:
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Double Dola:
I realize that the ratings don't match the "Descriptions." That's where I'm about 99.5% certain that the documentation is wrong. When I use the above table to generate the players, the non QB-WR talent ends up matching up pretty much perfectly with leagues using FOF-generated draft classes. Therefore my assumption is that somewhere along the way, the "Descriptions" became outdated, and he just started going linear with the 0-9 stuff.
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I would be interested in such a league. This thread has been very interesting to me. I just need to take some time to play some SP using the files. I hope you'll keep me in mind in a future league Ben. thanks Phinsfan
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Okay Ben,
After i ran 11 seasons (time running this is costly) i extracted the player data and used excel to check on talent. I've uploaded a report here: Welcome to Google Docs Couple of pointers. - I'm checking the talent % against total numbers on rosters. That is not including free-agents. I should run a career-sim using ingame draft files to check if your % are on the monney. (looking at the way you create the files it should work.) - WR's tend to fall to late 1st round in the draft. This would make your life in SP mode easy as you have more chance to pick a top receiver. -I've seen a 35/35 qb winning the supper bowl. having next to no bars in passing. that always makes me frown a bit. |
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thanks mate
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11-05-2011, 09:27 AM | #98 |
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Hoping to get time to play around with this, but I am interesting in a league using these draft settings.
For me thats how it should be, not so much chuck it and score. the interesting thisng is what impact the very few QB's and WR's that are really good have in MP.
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Sign up for the Balanced Football League (the nerfed one) now.
NEW LEAGUE: The Balanced Football League (QB-WR Nerf League) - Front Office Football Central
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I know i'm a bit late on this as you are ready to start the new league, but just so you know, the tallent pool is a lot lower than if you would run a league generated draft each year. I have simed a 25 year MP league with in-game drafts. I did a current rating count and then averaged the percentages over the years. This is what that looks like:
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