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View Poll Results: If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next
Normal transition of power. He meets with Biden, stays until 1/20, comes to inauguration, etc. 5 5.56%
He doesn't fight the result, but resigns prior to the inauguration. 2 2.22%
He fights the result but gives up shortly before the inauguration (let's define "shortly" as "some time after the EC meets on 12/14") 30 33.33%
He fights the result all the way to January 20th. Has to be physically removed. 12 13.33%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up and resigns before the inauguration 6 6.67%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up an then we have a normal transition as per option 1. 30 33.33%
Other. (You know you gotta specify this one.) 5 5.56%
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Old 12-01-2020, 03:37 PM   #551
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And now Trump's Legal Team-With all due respect the Attorney General, the DOJ did not do a through investigation of voter fraud and he does not have full knowledge of the scope of fraud involved. Paraphrased what they said but that's the jist.
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Old 12-01-2020, 04:57 PM   #552
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I believe that this is the sole reason that Trump is continuing to contest the election:

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Old 12-01-2020, 05:05 PM   #553
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I believe that this is the sole reason that Trump is continuing to contest the election:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...9f8_story.html

Yep I agree-he's setting up his 2024 campaign/legal defense fund for the crimes he's probably going to be formally accused of.
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Old 12-01-2020, 05:20 PM   #554
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Go cheap on the lawyers to contest the election so you can save money for your own personal defense fund.

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Old 12-01-2020, 06:43 PM   #555
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Yep that's what they think now. Follow ParlerTakes on Twitter. Poor guy has an account there just so he can repost what they say there on Twitter. Barr is officially a Deep State and Bush plant according to the one he's posted so far.

That's top notch entertainment.
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Old 12-01-2020, 07:00 PM   #556
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The way this is phrased makes it sound like a potential crime on both sides, not just an attempted bribe from one side.

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Old 12-01-2020, 07:06 PM   #557
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Trump is too slippery to ever get that close to a quid pro quo.

It'll be one of his hangers-on who was selling his access to the Boss. There are a lot of candidates to choose from.
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Old 12-01-2020, 07:06 PM   #558
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It's probably Joe Exotic and Rudy. I'm not sure that 2020 wants to introduce a new character this late in the season.
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Old 12-01-2020, 07:12 PM   #559
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Pretty sure it is going to be Rudy and the Ukrainians.

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Old 12-01-2020, 08:01 PM   #560
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This certainly fits Rudy.

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Old 12-01-2020, 08:28 PM   #561
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So can you actually pardon someone before they are accused of any crimes?
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Old 12-01-2020, 08:33 PM   #562
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Good point. I believe the President can only pardon someone convicted of a federal crime.
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Old 12-01-2020, 08:37 PM   #563
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Didn't Ford pardon Nixon for any crimes he may have committed or something like that?
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Old 12-01-2020, 08:41 PM   #564
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You can pardon prior to federal charges. Both Ford and Washington did it. It's incredibly rare though.
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Old 12-01-2020, 08:51 PM   #565
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Yeah, I guess I was reading from the Office of the Pardon Attorney which specifies only pardons after conviction, but I guess there's some precedent for pardons before a legal case is even brought.
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Old 12-01-2020, 11:06 PM   #566
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I can't find the link but there was a poll of Republicans to see who they would want as the 2024 candidate if Trump doesn't run. Don Jr and Nikki Haley led at 20% each. Ivanka was up there too at I believe 7%.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:44 AM   #567
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I am seeing lots of pearl-clutching over the reports that Trump is preparing to pardon himself and his inner circle before he leaves office.

I am either too cynical or not cynical enough, but I always thought 100% that he would do this after his 4 or 8 years in office: blanket pardons, justified by anticipated persecution by The Deep State.

I am surprised that people are surprised by it.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:46 AM   #568
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dola: the only question for me is whether he does the "resign a day early so Pence can pardon him and avoid the questions about a self-pardon" thing.

I don't think he does. Admitting that he might not be able to self-pardon is a sign of weakness. But it wouldn't shock me, either.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:55 AM   #569
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You can pardon prior to federal charges. Both Ford and Washington did it. It's incredibly rare though.

A lot of stuff happening in the last 4 years were incredibly rare before it seems.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:57 AM   #570
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I am seeing lots of pearl-clutching over the reports that Trump is preparing to pardon himself and his inner circle before he leaves office.

I am either too cynical or not cynical enough, but I always thought 100% that he would do this after his 4 or 8 years in office: blanket pardons, justified by anticipated persecution by The Deep State.

I am surprised that people are surprised by it.

I don't think that is the case. But it's too outrageous to shrug off and treat it as "well, we kinda knew it would come to that"
Where many did seem to fool themselves is talking themselves into a place of "well, we have safeguards in place", which were quite clearly identified as lacking and too often dependent on people respecting unwritten rules/tradition/values.
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Old 12-02-2020, 10:08 AM   #571
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I don't think that is the case. But it's too outrageous to shrug off and treat it as "well, we kinda knew it would come to that"
Where many did seem to fool themselves is talking themselves into a place of "well, we have safeguards in place", which were quite clearly identified as lacking and too often dependent on people respecting unwritten rules/tradition/values.

Kinda feel like every president should do this now leaving office or between terms. Why have it be an honorable position when someone like Trump sullied it.

Plus it be a great fuck you to conservatives when progressive do it.
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"Obama before leaving the White House signed orders pardoning himself and Hillary Clinton. Every Republican congressman and senator immediately combusted into flame."
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Old 12-02-2020, 01:02 PM   #573
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I am seeing lots of pearl-clutching over the reports that Trump is preparing to pardon himself and his inner circle before he leaves office.

I am either too cynical or not cynical enough, but I always thought 100% that he would do this after his 4 or 8 years in office: blanket pardons, justified by anticipated persecution by The Deep State.

I am surprised that people are surprised by it.

It fits the narrative so well. Four years ago, you'd figure a pardon means he's just protecting himself as best he can from prosecution for his crimes. Now it's a perfect two-fer - protection for all of his people with the added bonus that all the flavor-aid drinkers will believe he's protecting himself and all of them from persecution for things they didn't do. To keep the grift going, he almost needs to pardon as many people as possible.
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Old 12-02-2020, 02:26 PM   #574
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We seem to be inching closer and closer to option 4 (physical removal)...

Mo Brooks plans to challenge Electoral College vote - al.com
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Old 12-02-2020, 03:31 PM   #575
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Just run this over and over on GA TV.

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Old 12-02-2020, 04:33 PM   #576
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She or her staff misfiled their TRO to keep Wisconsin's electors from voting Biden. As of right now, the defense doesn't even have to respond until a week after the EC meets.

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status...68556389478400
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Old 12-03-2020, 08:21 AM   #578
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I have paid zero attention to the Hyatt Regency "hearings" being held in a few states regarding the election, but this came across my twitter feed this morning and... WTF? The audience applause is the icing. I half-expected Jerry Springer to jump out and say "let her finish!"

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I have paid zero attention to the Hyatt Regency "hearings" being held in a few states regarding the election, but this came across my twitter feed this morning and... WTF? The audience applause is the icing. I half-expected Jerry Springer to jump out and say "let her finish!"


Must have been must-see TV!

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Can you imagine being a judge or a lawmaker having to listen these people.
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Old 12-03-2020, 09:54 AM   #582
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Can you imagine being a judge or a lawmaker having to listen these people.
Isn't that the whole point of these bogus "hearings" in hotel conference rooms--that judges and lawmakers are *not* present, and therefore the "testimony" can be on camera but not sworn in, and as such full of unchallenged lies and nonsense that MAGA will eat up and keep giving money to support?
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Old 12-03-2020, 09:54 AM   #583
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haha

there is a clip later on in that twitter thread where she said "democrats like to ruin my life just like they ruined Trumps"

Seems totally unbiased.
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Isn't that the whole point of these bogus "hearings" in hotel conference rooms--that judges and lawmakers are *not* present, and therefore the "testimony" can be on camera and full of lies and nonsense that the base will eat up?

I don't think there are judges but there were lawmakers of some kind asking the questions.
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I don't think there are judges but there were lawmakers of some kind asking the questions.
Heh! I hadn't watched that specific clip. Yeah, I checked and he's an actual Michigan rep. I do believe there was at least of these dog-and-pony shows in a hotel conference room made to look like an official hearing, with a sycophant asking the questions and Rudy's buddies answering.
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Oh man - I want those 5+ minutes of my life back. Those clips are so awful in that thread.

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I have paid zero attention to the Hyatt Regency "hearings" being held in a few states regarding the election, but this came across my twitter feed this morning and... WTF? The audience applause is the icing. I half-expected Jerry Springer to jump out and say "let her finish!"

Don't know if she was saying there was widespread fraud but the specific point in the clip about needing a picture id is valid IMO. She should have used better examples.
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Must have been must-see TV!

Speculation she was drunk. I'm rooting for a SNL skit on this with Victoria Jackson.
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The problem with that is Victoria Jackson is even crazier.
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Peak Victoria Jackson is a good call there.

I feel for the poor guy trying to take his job seriously and trying to question her. I'd be looking around to see if I getting Punk'd or something.
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Don't know if she was saying there was widespread fraud but the specific point in the clip about needing a picture id is valid IMO. She should have used better examples.

If "they all look the same" what good is an ID?
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It fits the narrative so well. Four years ago, you'd figure a pardon means he's just protecting himself as best he can from prosecution for his crimes. Now it's a perfect two-fer - protection for all of his people with the added bonus that all the flavor-aid drinkers will believe he's protecting himself and all of them from persecution for things they didn't do. To keep the grift going, he almost needs to pardon as many people as possible.
Here is the problem he is creating while trying to "protect" these people: They can now be called to testify and they cannot plead the 5th. They now have the choice of telling the truth, or go to jail for perjury.
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If "they all look the same" what good is an ID?

When you look at a pic and compare it to person in front of you, I figure it helps to validate vs not having a pic at all. I assume that's why TSA wants a pic id when you go through security line.
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Call Rudy! I finally found evidence of voter fraud! Oh, wait. It is Republicans again.
Florida attorney under investigation for registering to vote in Georgia, encouraging others to do the same
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Oh man - I want those 5+ minutes of my life back. Those clips are so awful in that thread.

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You kidding! I want more. Inject it into my veins.

It feels like watching, I dunno, the Real Housewives of 1600 Pennsylvania. I have stupid things I watch on TV but I don't watch them to look down at other stupid people - that just seems too mean to me (and not entertaining).

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Bill Barr is a canny political survivor. And you figure he knows where the bodies are buried (including some that Trump probably doesn't know about).

His actions are showing that he's decided that there's no future with Trump.

Which makes me suspect that there may be no future with Trump.
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