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Old 06-08-2009, 09:09 AM   #151
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I think Chief Rum's question about lynching the king will be important to find out. In the meantime we don't have any meaningful way, I don't think of picking a King today. It's just a craps shoot. That actually makes me think perhaps we can find a way to randomize it. Although I suppose then if the King eventually turns out bad we don't have any data to examine.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:11 AM   #152
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This villager would be fine with Schmidty as King. I don't think the first King will live long simply because I'm betting the wolves will think its kewl to kill the king.

I will not vote Hoops as king, it simply will not happen =)

and I agree with the Lathum - Lithium statement made earlier =)

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Old 06-08-2009, 09:14 AM   #153
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Okay, looking back at the rules it seems to make sense to me to jail for the first day at least. First day votes are random, and this gives some chance for the King to get a scan and free a villager or kill a wolf. Seems like the way to go to me.

I guess that the King vote should be based on activity, to my mind. We're probably not going to elect someone like Hoops, since though he'd be good at it he'd be just as good at it as a wolf. So, someone who tends to be around and vocal, but isn't considered dreadfully dangerous. If we don't want to go with the random idea.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:26 AM   #154
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Just so long as we realize that if we send someone to jail day 1, unless we're willing to absolutely use a seer scan in the next day or two on that person, there's a decent chance we're knocking them out of the game for a long time. And if I sat on the bench for four days I don't know how easy it would be for me to get back in gear. Beyond that, I'm fine with it.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:32 AM   #155
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:32 AM   #156
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:33 AM   #157
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:43 AM   #158
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Checking in - won't be back for a while - I have to work today... *shudders*

Hopefully, there'll be more to go on with regards to a king by then.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:49 AM   #159
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I'm fine with the jail approach. I'm normally a hard-core "lynch 'em all, we'll sort it out in the end" type but frankly I'm willing to see if I can expand my line of thinking a little bit to better leverage this mechanic.

I think the idea of jailing likely extends the game, which probably favors villagers over wolves.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:55 AM   #160
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:00 AM   #161
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:04 AM   #162
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vote tyrinch king
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:05 AM   #163
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So, someone who tends to be around and vocal, but isn't considered dreadfully dangerous.

I'm open for suggestions on who fits this profile that people would like to vote for.

Ideally, I would like to have some kind of a race here rather than an uncontested Schmidty "coronation".
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:11 AM   #164
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vote tyrinch king
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all votes are random!

You already voted to lynch Pass.

Dubb, can you vote to lynch someone and to jail someone or is it one or the other?
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:12 AM   #165
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im vocal, but i fails CRs logical post list! and i wont be around at 11 pm
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:12 AM   #166
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You already voted to lynch Pass.

Dubb, can you vote to lynch someone and to jail someone or is it one or the other?
oh i thought we were supposed to vote for one of each
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:13 AM   #167
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lol, everyone's going to ask this question it seems.

WE EITHER LYNCH SOMEONE, OR JAIL SOMEONE TONIGHT, WE HAVE TO PICK.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:13 AM   #168
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I'm open for suggestions on who fits this profile that people would like to vote for.

Ideally, I would like to have some kind of a race here rather than an uncontested Schmidty "coronation".

popping in to agree with this -- not only uncontested, but I don't think Schmidty really fits those characteristics.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:13 AM   #169
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Okay, looking back at the rules it seems to make sense to me to jail for the first day at least. First day votes are random, and this gives some chance for the King to get a scan and free a villager or kill a wolf. Seems like the way to go to me.
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The only problem is the seer can't scan someone in prison and the King only has a 20% chance of discovering their auroa, so it isn't a very high percentage chance of a clear.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:16 AM   #170
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Vote USFLTechmo king

the last few games he has been pretty quiet, I thik this gives him a chance to step up.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:17 AM   #171
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Oh, I didn't realize the seer/jail bit. Yeah, I can see chucking someone in jail day 1 just to get the king ability in play...but we have to realize that is going to be taking someone out of the game, realistically.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:18 AM   #172
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unvote jail danny

sorry bout that!
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:27 AM   #173
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unvote jail danny

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Old 06-08-2009, 10:29 AM   #174
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:34 AM   #175
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As for the jail/vs lynch thing, on day 1 especially I think a jail might be ok as it does lengthen the game. I'm going to reread the mechanic now though.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:36 AM   #176
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The king will have a 20% chance to learn someones allegiance each night. I'm assuming this will stack, so if there are four prisoners, the king has a 20% chance of learning each one?
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:42 AM   #177
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Vote jail BK

I think jailing is the way to go today. If the King can clear BK then we release him and make him the next King since as a villager I think BK would do a great job of it.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:42 AM   #178
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The only problem is the seer can't scan someone in prison and the King only has a 20% chance of discovering their auroa, so it isn't a very high percentage chance of a clear.

No, but in a normal game with a normal lynch there's 0% chance of recovering from a day 1 mistake. At least this way there's some chance of getting information, and even the chance of releasing a villager back into the game. It seems to me that unless we know we're lynching a wolf, the advantage is mostly to us to jail.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:43 AM   #179
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I don't think we should commit to anyone this far ahead of time.

I disagree, I think when it comes to something like this we at least need to start thinking it through.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:43 AM   #180
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The only problem is the seer can't scan someone in prison and the King only has a 20% chance of discovering their auroa, so it isn't a very high percentage chance of a clear.

I reread this, the seer can scan players inside the jail.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:45 AM   #181
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No, but in a normal game with a normal lynch there's 0% chance of recovering from a day 1 mistake. At least this way there's some chance of getting information, and even the chance of releasing a villager back into the game. It seems to me that unless we know we're lynching a wolf, the advantage is mostly to us to jail.

I agree. I never said we shouldn't put someone in jail.

not sure where you misunderstood me. Thats why I voted BK for jail.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:45 AM   #182
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Ah, okay. That makes jail a much better approach.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:46 AM   #183
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I reread this, the seer can scan players inside the jail.

This is a critical point. Otherwise, if we initially elect a wolf King then he can clear another one later and set up the succession plan (see Dubb clearing Saldana last game) and really put us behind.

The seer should give strong consideration to scanning people in jail in order to potentially neutralize this risk.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:47 AM   #184
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I've got to go meetings for the next several hours, I'll be back late afternoon or so. I'm going to sit on my votes for now.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:48 AM   #185
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hmm, I could have sworn it said you can't scan players in prison
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:50 AM   #186
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ok, so I think thats all the more reason to jail BK. Seer scan him, BG protect him, elect him King tomorrow.

Can we elect a new king while the old king is still in power, or do we HAVE to lynch the old king?
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:50 AM   #187
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hmm, I could have sworn it said you can't scan players in prison

Maybe it was that the seer can't scan from prison.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:51 AM   #188
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:53 AM   #189
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I agree. I never said we shouldn't put someone in jail.

not sure where you misunderstood me. Thats why I voted BK for jail.

You pointed out a flaw in the jail idea, I pointed out that I thought it wasn't all that bad. I don't think there's any misunderstanding.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:55 AM   #190
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You pointed out a flaw in the jail idea, I pointed out that I thought it wasn't all that bad. I don't think there's any misunderstanding.

20% isn't all that good, and of course the odds are we kill a villager.

Plus at the time I was under the impression the seer couldn't scan a prisoner.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:58 AM   #191
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ok, so I think thats all the more reason to jail BK. Seer scan him, BG protect him, elect him King tomorrow and then watch wolves kill him.

Added the inevitable part of your plan.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:58 AM   #192
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The more I think about it I think the longer we go around and around about King candidates, the more likely we'll get pushed by the wolves into something. I'm goign to go with the very first candidate. At least we've got a clear protagonist in BK in that case and can keep things simple. As people have pointed out, Kings may not last long anyway, I don't want to overthink this.

Vote Schmidty King

(You don't vote for kings. Well how'd you become king then?)
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:59 AM   #193
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20% isn't all that good, and of course the odds are we kill a villager..

But to be clear, the alternative is to kill the villager forever. So a 20% chance at clearing them and bringing them back is a lot better, right?
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:59 AM   #194
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All for the jailing idea today.

I'm all for being king, but FYI, I'm not around at deadline tonight. If that means I make a better later king, I can work with that, too.
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Old 06-08-2009, 11:00 AM   #195
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Come to think of it, question for dubb:

If we succesfully elect a king, and then lynch him, do we suffer the dire consequences?

No, you are free to lynch your king and the king is powerless to stop a rebellion. If the people feel it is time for the king to go, the king must go. The dire consequences would only come into play if there was a failed king election.
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Old 06-08-2009, 11:08 AM   #196
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The king will have a 20% chance to learn someones allegiance each night. I'm assuming this will stack, so if there are four prisoners, the king has a 20% chance of learning each one?

Yes, if there are four prisoners you have a 20% chance towards each one. There is no limit on how many auras may be revealed to a king on any given night. If there are 10 players in jail and the king gets the good dice rolls he could learn all 10 auras that night.
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Old 06-08-2009, 11:09 AM   #197
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Can we elect a new king while the old king is still in power, or do we HAVE to lynch the old king?

Once a king is elected he is king for life.
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Old 06-08-2009, 11:11 AM   #198
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Just so long as we realize that if we send someone to jail day 1, unless we're willing to absolutely use a seer scan in the next day or two on that person, there's a decent chance we're knocking them out of the game for a long time. And if I sat on the bench for four days I don't know how easy it would be for me to get back in gear. Beyond that, I'm fine with it.

Keep in mind players in jail still have a night action ability to write a letter to the village. There may be other unknown mechanics at work while in jail as well.
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Old 06-08-2009, 11:19 AM   #199
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Hey all - my day is fairly congested today until like 2:45 or 3pm but hopefully opens up significantly then.

I'll have to catch up on everything then. Please don't write like 10 pages between now and then.
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Old 06-08-2009, 11:23 AM   #200
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Added the inevitable part of your plan.

So what's your point?

The wolves can attempt to kill whoever is King.
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