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Old 06-08-2009, 09:03 PM   #351
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Oops, never mind. 11.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:03 PM   #352
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The protection is a good point KWhit. I'm definitely not interested in "flooding" the jails (whatever that might mean) but I don't see any reason not to jail instead of lynch until we run across an exposed wolf. As was said, we will probably get a free scan or two out of it and that means we can buy some days back.

I think we can find a way or two to check the King's loyalties, but I'll talk about that later since it won't work if the wolves scheme for it.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:04 PM   #353
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Vote jail Barkeep

I don't really like any of our choices, but a three horse race isn't a bad idea. Although I don't know where the vote count is.

You just added to the vote leader.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:05 PM   #354
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I don't think we need to adopt any kind of a hard-and-fast rule prior to putting people in jail.

Ultimately, the King gets to make decisions on how to proceed with the people in jail. He can either hope his 20% scan comes into play and let them live or he can gas them. Pretty simple, and it is his call every day.

Meanwhile, I think that if there is not a person in jail and we don't have a clear lynch, or a 1:1 trade option available, then we stick someone in the jail and let the king decide how to proceed. Part of voting someone in as king is giving them some license to make decisions. And then we get to second guess them when they are wrong

Well... Yes, mechanically, it is the King's decision on what to do with the person/people in jail. But I think that without any evidence, it would be foolish for the king to kill someone just because he/she was in jail (I know,somewhat self-serving here, but the logic holds, I think). Because given enough time (on average 2-3 days), the aura of the jailed people will be identified. It makes no sense to kill the jailed people "just because."

I think as far as the numbers game is concerned, it makes sense to keep jailed people alive, the seer to scan people outside of the jail, and for the bodyguard to occasionally guard the jail alternating with guarding non-jail people of perceived importance. I think that is the way to mathematically maximize our chance of winning.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:06 PM   #355
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You just added to the vote leader.

I think Pass is leading, but since you know, can you post the vote count
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:07 PM   #356
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And I thought I was leading.

Anybody have a vote count?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:07 PM   #357
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As of post #353

5 - Passacaglia jail - claphamsa (222), USFLTechmo (253), MartinD (261), hoopsguy (300), path (344)
7 - Barkeep jail - Lathum (177), RendeR (210), SnDvls (233), DaddyTorgo (235), saldana (278), Chief Rum (295), Danny (349)
1 - claphamsa jail - Passacaglia (238)
3 - KWhit jail - Autumn (254), Barkeep (275), Telle (321)
1 - KWhit lynch - Schmidty (298)
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:10 PM   #358
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Thanks. As is always the way with these things, I paid a lot more attention to the votes cast for me as opposed to the votes cast for others.

My points on the logic of what to do with the jailed prisoners is still valid, no matter who at this point goes in. I think they should be allowed to live for a few days to see what the king finds out about them. That's a pretty cool additional seer-type ability that we should try to maximize.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:11 PM   #359
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What is the argument for Pass going to jail? I may have missed it in trying to catch up.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:11 PM   #360
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Or is it just that he's another option as opposed to a runaway BK vote?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:14 PM   #361
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What is the argument for Pass going to jail? I may have missed it in trying to catch up.

His schedule is bad for at least tomorrow was my recollection. I'll try and find the post.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:14 PM   #362
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I think he was just Clap's standard vote and therefore was a target to avoid a runaway.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:15 PM   #363
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Honestly there's probably not much of my game to judge today, really. I was pretty busy today, and not able to really 'play' as much as I wanted to today. Most likely will be the case tomorrow as well, so I don't mind being jailed FWIW.

Post #292.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:18 PM   #364
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I'm still here and observing.

I'll be in and out until deadline. About to eat dinner.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:24 PM   #365
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A big part of me wants to vote for KWhit, because he seems to be okay with the idea of going to jail and I like to foster good feelings. And there doesn't really seem to be a good wolf play here unless he's The Dark One, because ultimately he's going to wind up bad - and we could find out as soon as tonight. The context of the day seems like it would make this a pretty silly sacrifice; he's not going to clear anyone. And it opens him up to all kinds of screwball breakout scenarios that aren't going to help suspicion wise.

This is the problem for me - my gut tells me KWhit is on our side. Why should I put him in jail, then? If I am going to go with my best instincts then I should vote for BK/Pass, but I have no instinct on either of them and that vote feels super random.

Sigh, I hate day 1.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:29 PM   #366
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And apparently Pass has does the same thing, just while I wasn't actively paying attention. Hrmph. Fine, I'm just going to go with the two horse race route, see if we can develop some information, because my inclinations aren't going to be much help right.

VOTE JAIL PASSACAGLIA
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:31 PM   #367
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And I'm back. Long ass day. I'll be catching up now.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:32 PM   #368
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Apparently my voice only resonates louder than hoops when we're both saying that it's okay to vote for us. If this were Day 7 or something, I'm sure you guys would all be listening to hoops more than me.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:32 PM   #369
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So it looks like BK 7, Pass 6 for the jailing vote. I will throw this out, since I need to vote and don't want a tie.

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Old 06-08-2009, 09:34 PM   #370
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Apparently my voice only resonates louder than hoops when we're both saying that it's okay to vote for us. If this were Day 7 or something, I'm sure you guys would all be listening to hoops more than me.



Just so you know:

I will NEVER trust/listen to Hoops over you =)
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:40 PM   #371
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Just so you know:

I will NEVER trust/listen to Hoops over you =)

Well, no one should, really
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:44 PM   #372
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Vote Jail Pass

Let's keep this close.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:45 PM   #373
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ok...i only have 115k exp to go to get my hunter to level 70, and i already have enough for my flying mount...i will try to be back for the 2nd deadline, but in the meantime

vote jail bk

i just hit 77 last night and got cold weather flying and my explorer title while riding on my magic carpet immediately .. ok back to reading the thread
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:47 PM   #374
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I'm a bit further along - I have typically been doing Ulduar 10 2-3 nights a week for the last month or so. Tomorrow night will probably be one of those nights, so I'll be paying a little less attention than normal.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:47 PM   #375
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Do we know what happens if there is a tie?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:47 PM   #376
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Do we know what happens if there is a tie?

Schmidty decides.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:48 PM   #377
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Schmidty decides.

Oh -- so KWhit gets lynched?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:49 PM   #378
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If I recall, didn't dubb say he'll give the King ten minutes to decide or something?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:49 PM   #379
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So it's 8-7 BK?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:50 PM   #380
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I guess the reason I ask is because, thinking of my schedule, I *really* won't have time to post much again tomorrow.

UNVOTE CLAPHAMSA JAIL
VOTE PASSACAGLIA JAIL
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:50 PM   #381
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So it's 8-7 BK?

I believe so
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:50 PM   #382
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That said, I'm not loving that I made it a tie.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:50 PM   #383
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Good enough, I guess.

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Old 06-08-2009, 09:51 PM   #384
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Has backwards squirrel checked in yet? I don't recall seeing a post
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:52 PM   #385
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He voted for me like 6 minutes ago, dude.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:53 PM   #386
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So Pass is up one now?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:53 PM   #387
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Well, uh, thanks all. My only hope now is that I didn't make this a waste of a vote. But since we were all doing jail instead of lynch, there's probably not much to be gained from vote analysis...I hope?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:54 PM   #388
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tick tick tick
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:55 PM   #389
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He voted for me like 6 minutes ago, dude.

Good call.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:55 PM   #390
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Will the King be bold?

We shall see, my subjects.....
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:56 PM   #391
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Will the King be bold?

We shall see, my subjects.....

It's just jail -- I don't think anyone really cares.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:57 PM   #392
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9-8 pass?
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:57 PM   #393
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It's just jail -- I don't think anyone really cares.

I can change one vote to whatever I want, once per game.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:58 PM   #394
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And I don't like the jail thing (even though not having someone in jail takes away some of my power).
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:59 PM   #395
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Unjail KWhit
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:59 PM   #396
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I can change one vote to whatever I want, once per game.

I know. But like I said, it's just jail. I just don't think it warrants the dramatics.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:00 PM   #397
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Because you know it takes sound strategy to get killed repeatedly on day one right?
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:00 PM   #398
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Because you know it takes sound strategy to get killed repeatedly on day one right?

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Old 06-08-2009, 10:00 PM   #399
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I know. But like I said, it's just jail. I just don't think it warrants the dramatics.

I'm bored.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:00 PM   #400
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Unjail KWhit
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I decided that possibility of being cleared wasn't as great as something untoward happening to me.
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