Werewolf LXXVI - The Werewolf Draft! Game over, see last pages for details

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

sound thinking. Of course he could also have picked you!

He could have, but he didn't.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think a good place to start would try and consider who Hoops would pick

I agree. Who do you think?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think a good place to start would try and consider who Hoops would pick

In Neon Chaos's game, he had an Alpha Wolf who picked the other wolves and we went through a similar discussion that was very profitable...

[KWhit]

Vote Mrs. Schmidty

I think Hoops would have drafted her. She showed she gets the game and played well last time for a first timer. She is also likely to get the benefit of the "She's new, I won't vote for her early in the game" (although obviously not from me).

And I think Hoops will be thinking outside of the box with his picks and go with the unexpected.

[Lathum]

I think Sndvls or GoldenEagle are very good players who have been away for a while and would both be good choices for hoops to pick

[Telle]

I'm thinking two very good wolf players and two "nobody would think of them" players.

[PackerFanatic]

Another vanilla villager checking in (good way to get back into the game, I suppose)

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Vote Mrs. Schmidty

I think Hoops would have drafted her. She showed she gets the game and played well last time for a first timer. She is also likely to get the benefit of the "She's new, I won't vote for her early in the game" (although obviously not from me).

And I think Hoops will be thinking outside of the box with his picks and go with the unexpected.

I think it's highly likely that he picked Mrs. Schmidty or PackFanatic.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think Sndvls or GoldenEagle are very good players who have been away for a while and would both be good choices for hoops to pick

I also lumped these two together and I believe SnDvls and hoops have been wolves together and, having also been a wolf with SnDvls, I think it's likely hoops would have gone in that direction. Hence my vote.

[Barkeep49]

I think it's unlikely that hoops picked either Alan, Lathum, or myself with the #1 pick. The question then becomes would Poli pick the three of us in his first grouping? I feel like the answer is yes.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think it's unlikely that hoops picked either Alan, Lathum, or myself with the #1 pick. The question then becomes would Poli pick the three of us in his first grouping? I feel like the answer is yes.

Slight correction. Poli could pick two villagers. I think, therefore, that either Lathum or Alan is a villager for sure (as I know I am).

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think it's unlikely that hoops picked either Alan, Lathum, or myself with the #1 pick. The question then becomes would Poli pick the three of us in his first grouping? I feel like the answer is yes.

I don't know about that. I think it's a definite possibility that one of you guys was picked as the cunning wolf. Hoops knows that you guys could be scanned and "cleared" early in the game and would be a huge asset to the wolf side in a CoT.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think it's unlikely that hoops picked either Alan, Lathum, or myself with the #1 pick. The question then becomes would Poli pick the three of us in his first grouping? I feel like the answer is yes.

I feel like that's a pretty rushed attempt to get all three of you cleared (perhaps yourself and another wolf, or yourself+two villagers).

[Danny]

Villager checking in. I agree that thinking about who hoops would have selected is a good idea. Seems like most first days are a crap shoot, so at least it gives us something to go on for our votes today

[Barkeep49]

cronin: Could you add the rules and the draft order to the first post for ease of reference?

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think it's highly likely that he picked Mrs. Schmidty or PackFanatic.

Somehow I knew that was coming BK.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I don't know about that. I think it's a definite possibility that one of you guys was picked as the cunning wolf. Hoops knows that you guys could be scanned and "cleared" early in the game and would be a huge asset to the wolf side in a CoT.

From my previous discussions with cronin about the game, roles were indeed assigned to certain picks. So it wasn't pick the wolves and then give them roles it was Pick 1 would be role X. So the question is would that be a cunning wolf? If the answer is YES then I think you're right there and would suggest Lathum over Alan as Lathum always seems to be scanned early. If Pick 1 wasn't a cunning wolf, however, then I think my analysis stands.

[Schmidty]

I am a goody two shoes who is looking for a special friend. I enjoy long walks by the drainage slough, and candle lit dinners at the Lighthouse Mission. Fashion sense is very important to me, and I love to shop at the Salvation Army outlet store. I hope to someday own my own aluminum lean-to complete with a extra thick blue tarp.

If you feel like we could be a good fit, please place your name and number on the wall in stall number 6 at the Smokey Point Arco Station bathroom. I look forward to hearing from you.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Somehow I knew that was coming BK.

Yeah there's not much you can do about that, but do notice that I went in a different direction with my vote.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

cronin: Could you add the rules and the draft order to the first post for ease of reference?

Yes, please.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

cronin: Could you add the rules and the draft order to the first post for ease of reference?

done

[Danny]

Schmidty lol, I see now why you were voted as the most fun person to play a game with

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

done

Thanks.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

From my previous discussions with cronin about the game, roles were indeed assigned to certain picks. So it wasn't pick the wolves and then give them roles it was Pick 1 would be role X.

This was actually changed by request of the drafters.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

This was actually changed by request of the drafters.

Ahh. OK. I wasn't a fan of that anyway. I think then that Lathum and Alan are considerably less cleared then I'd hoped.

[Barkeep49]

Please note that there is a HUGE advantage to us if we limit who we vote for as we essentially make it so that the cunning wolf would be the one doing the kill.

[PackerFanatic]

So were they then given random roles or did the drafters hand out roles after drafting?

[hoopsguy]

Poli and I completed our picks first, assigned roles second.

[PackerFanatic]

And that is a very good point, BK.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Poli and I completed our picks first, assigned roles second.

10/4

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

So were they then given random roles or did the drafters hand out roles after drafting?

The latter - the players were drafted, then the GMs assigned roles.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Please note that there is a HUGE advantage to us if we limit who we vote for as we essentially make it so that the cunning wolf would be the one doing the kill.

Yep.

[DaddyTorgo]

BK - that's a very good point that I think will go unnoticed largely in the rules.

But if we engage in 2nd level analysis, might hoops not go "oh well everyone will expect me to draft cunning wolf=lathum first, so maybe i should petition for it to be brutal wolf=lathum first, or else avoid lathum so the villagers off one of their own?"

[DaddyTorgo]

oh - well given what was just posted as i was typing that - i guess the 2nd piece of it doesn't apply as much

[Lathum]

I don't think Hoops would pick someone like myself, BK, Alan, etc... as the cunning, it just seems like such an obvious move.

but Hoops copuld have picked one of us just for that reason.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I am a goody two shoes who is looking for a special friend. I enjoy long walks by the drainage slough, and candle lit dinners at the Lighthouse Mission. Fashion sense is very important to me, and I love to shop at the Salvation Army outlet store. I hope to someday own my own aluminum lean-to complete with a extra thick blue tarp.

If you feel like we could be a good fit, please place your name and number on the wall in stall number 6 at the Smokey Point Arco Station bathroom. I look forward to hearing from you.

Haha is this a Qwikshot in-character special? Doesn't seem to relate directly to any of the roles...

[oliegirl]

Hoops said in another thread that Path12 was his 1st round pick...I'm leaning toward voting based on that comment...

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

BK - that's a very good point that I think will go unnoticed largely in the rules.

But if we engage in 2nd level analysis, might hoops not go "oh well everyone will expect me to draft cunning wolf=lathum first, so maybe i should petition for it to be brutal wolf=lathum first, or else avoid lathum so the villagers off one of their own?"

Yes, and if I were poli, I would purposely NOT draft Lathum and make Hoops take him as a wolf with the last pick.

[KWhit]

So for reasons I have stated, I think the two best choices for votes today are Lathum and Mrs. Schmidty.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Hoops said in another thread that Path12 was his 1st round pick...I'm leaning toward voting based on that comment...

I'm pretty sure that was just a joke. Or do you think Hoops would be that risky in a cover up move?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yes, and if I were poli, I would purposely NOT draft Lathum and make Hoops take him as a wolf with the last pick.

Lathum seems like too obvious of a choice for a wolf, but I didn't think about Poli forcing Hoops into it like this.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

From my previous discussions with cronin about the game, roles were indeed assigned to certain picks. So it wasn't pick the wolves and then give them roles it was Pick 1 would be role X. So the question is would that be a cunning wolf? If the answer is YES then I think you're right there and would suggest Lathum over Alan as Lathum always seems to be scanned early. If Pick 1 wasn't a cunning wolf, however, then I think my analysis stands.

This post I feel is either intentionally or un-intentionally misleading. I ended up getting the role that I "campaigned" for via PM prior to the game and I have to guess that I wasn't purposely picked in a certain slot just to get that role. It seems obvious to me based on what I know is that the draft picks were made and then Poli/Hoops provided the list to Cronin of which players should be which roles as an independant action.

As far as setting myself up to be a night kill target for the wolves, whomever is the bodyguard doesn't really need to worry about it. I plan on fully revealing at deadline time and if the wolves choose to target me, then they pretty much just wasted a chance at getting someone they actively are looking for.

As for why I'm revealing on day 1.. well you'll just have to trust me that I felt this to be the best way to play my role. If you disagree, then lecture me after the game I guess. And no.. I'm not going to fake reveal on day 1 before hardly any votes are cast if I was a wolf.. I'm not that brave/dumb even.

As for whom do I think Hoops would have picked? I am pretty sure that Hoops knows this type of discussion would occur in this game. He ran a game as a GM before with this similar mechanic in it and this conversation happened there as well. I have to guess Hoops would have prepared himself the best as possible to not get caught with all of his eggs in one basket...

Thus with a 21 person game, I'll assume 4 or 5 wolves... I would assume he'd probably pick one veteran for a cunning wolf as has been discussed.. I would assume one newer player that Hoops was pretty excited about their play.. I would assume one under the radar type that would slide deep into the game while still being a solid player and I would assume one other veteran type that doesnt get scanned often and is not often considered as someone Hoops would pick.. (This type of veteran player pick I would consider players like Schmidty, DaddyTorgo, etc)

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Hoops said in another thread that Path12 was his 1st round pick...I'm leaning toward voting based on that comment...

psst. Olie. path isn't playing.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I'm pretty sure that was just a joke. Or do you think Hoops would be that risky in a cover up move?

It very well could be, but knowing hoops, it could be a switcheroo type play...I'll say this and then everyone will say "he wouldn't be that obvious"...that type of thing. I don't know. There isn't anything else to go on at this point, so why not go off of that?

[Alan T]

Oh.. and in the time it took me to type that up while on my conference call, Cronin answered the Barkeep message for me..

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yes, and if I were poli, I would purposely NOT draft Lathum and make Hoops take him as a wolf with the last pick.

sheesh.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

psst. Olie. path isn't playing.

Haha...

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Hoops said in another thread that Path12 was his 1st round pick...I'm leaning toward voting based on that comment...

It was a joke because Path isnt playing in this game.

[DaddyTorgo]

Alan - you can jump off the DT bandwagon - hoops didn't pick me. whether that's b/c poli picked me first or what i dunno, but i'm squarely on the village side.

as for your reveal - well you can't be the seer/fake seer i don't think -- you can't be a mason (penalty of death), could you be bodyguard maybe. could you be hunter...strong possibility

the whole fake-seer thing always bugs me, so i'm wondering if there's not more of a way to...control that and mitigate that

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yes, and if I were poli, I would purposely NOT draft Lathum and make Hoops take him as a wolf with the last pick.

this is a pretty awesome thought.

you're poli. you know that lathum always draws scrutiny. rather than risk having him on your team, you essentially "force" the other team to draft him and hope that you have someone like kwhit on your team that makes this point and then your team gets an easy +1 advantage.

subject to change...yada yada...

VOTE LATHUM