LXXVIII: Politicus Lupus (GAME OVER!! SEE POST #2593 FOR RESULTS)

[RendeR]

That was firmly tongue in cheek of course just trying on the red-wings of repressionists...err.republicans its a tight fit.


anyway, 8th district checking in. Don't F*** with me, I can't be bought you smarmy bastards.

[EagleFan]

Even though I hate agreeing with the "honorable" Republican representative I do say that KWhit makes me a little uncomfortable as Speaker of the House. He is a little to liberal for my tastes.

We should look into someone a little more ike mccollins who has always looked out for our citizens best interests. He is not going to pander to those who feel we should invade any country that looks at us cross and is going to make sure the people in our country all have equal opportunity to make it without the greedy fat cats keeping them down.

[path12]

Chief, if a bill is passed enacting a role, would that role pass to the party whose spectrum it is on or is it a random action as to who becomes that role?

For example, bodyguard is on the democratic side of the spectrum. If a bodyguard bill is passed, would that person be a Dem or could they be Rep? How is it determined which player becomes that role?

[path12]

Oh, and as I read the rules, I'm a little concerned about just jumping on a candidate right now. If they happen to be a wolf then that vote would have severe consequences. I think I'd try and get a name out there right away if I was in the wolf party, which means I don't know if I want to vote anyone named to date.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by path12

Oh, and as I read the rules, I'm a little concerned about just jumping on a candidate right now. If they happen to be a wolf then that vote would have severe consequences. I think I'd try and get a name out there right away if I was in the wolf party, which means I don't know if I want to vote anyone named to date.

It seems like that voting for or not for wolves mostly pertains to the wolf vote -- the public isn't any more knowledge than we about who is or is not a wolf on a day to day basis. Although installing a wolf as speaker isn't going to be good, we don't really have a choice but to try to vote for someone. We're not exactly going to be overflowing with information on day 1 of a game that has no roles :P

[path12]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

It seems like that voting for or not for wolves mostly pertains to the wolf vote -- the public isn't any more knowledge than we about who is or is not a wolf on a day to day basis. Although installing a wolf as speaker isn't going to be good, we don't really have a choice but to try to vote for someone. We're not exactly going to be overflowing with information on day 1 of a game that has no roles :P

I understand that. My point is that those who jumped right in with nominations disincline me to vote for either them or their choices for speaker.

[Lathum]

well someone had to get the ball rolling.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by path12

Chief, if a bill is passed enacting a role, would that role pass to the party whose spectrum it is on or is it a random action as to who becomes that role?

For example, bodyguard is on the democratic side of the spectrum. If a bodyguard bill is passed, would that person be a Dem or could they be Rep? How is it determined which player becomes that role?

You write that into the bill if you like. You can have me choose someone at random. You can have a Leader select one. Or the Speaker. Or the President. Whoever picks, you can force the choice to be on the Dem or the Repub side (keep in mind that's not likely to get votes from whichever side is not getting a say ).

The bill needs to not only include the role. But also state if it's a standard role (and define that). Act like you're the GM. Take the BG example. Putting aside who picks for a moment, what rules do you want in place? You can say standard BG, protects one person per night cycle, can't be the same person two nights in a row. You can write in that he can see who the attacker is. Or that he can protect the same person two nights in a row. Or himself as much as he wants.

Just keep in mind, too powerful of a role could be struck down by the Supreme Court ("me"). I am using standard roles as a measure. Go too far beyond the scope of the standard role with respect to ability and power, and it is more likely I will strike it down. Go a little bit farther, though, and I am might be more inclined to allow the role. Of course, go too short of the standard role, and you might feel it is too weak to be useful. Creativity is encouraged. For another example, instead of making a BG that is stronger or weaker than the standard role, you could add a power but take away another, in a twist to try something different that would not be likely to get struck down.

Also, look at this politically. Dems want a Bodyguard. Repubs want a Seer. Villagers want both.

I put the Liaison role in the game for a reason. Not all (maybe not even much) of what goes on in Washington happens on the floor of Congress. They don't call them backrooms for nothing.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Republican checking in, damn you dirty liberal bastards, damn you to hell. I swear to GOD ALMIGHTY thou shalt burn in hell for your blasphemies!!!

I say we need to get conservative, we cannot aford some bleeding heart liberal in power, even for a day! We need to get back to some real family values. bring back respect for the flag, bring back Church and Sunday school as mandatory events, bring clergimen into the public school systems.

DOWN WITH DEMORACY...err...damnit...DEMOCRATS!

omg, is it bad to fight within your own party?

[Mrs. Schmidty]

dola
forgot to add my " "

[claphamsa]

Republican cheking in! 1st distreict here!

I plan on proposing a bill on mandatory military service once I get back from traing, all must know the love of country that military service shows!

[claphamsa]

I also plan on banning spelling! unless its bible related!

[Chief Rum]

Just a reminder.

You not only need to vote for a Speaker here, you need to choose your Leaders and Liaisons as soon as possible, so you may begin to propose bills.

Once a bill is proposed by either Leader, it becomes a new item on which to vote. So if one is proposed, please consider the bill and make your vote as well.

Remember, only one bill per day per party. So use them wisely.

[jeheinz72]

9th district checking in, time for me to actually read the rules now that I have an idea of what the heck is goin' down.

[PackerFanatic]

I don't think the rules clearly state this - but does the Speaker have to be one of the party leaders or can it be anyone?

[chesapeake]

Greetings, all -- Democrat from the 16th District checking in here.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

9th district checking in, time for me to actually read the rules now that I have an idea of what the heck is goin' down.

I wonder how many people did this. Not that it's a bad thing -- just pointless to delay the game under the guise of giving people more time to read and understand the rules, when my guess is the majority of people aren't going to start reading the rules until they have their role.

[KWhit]

I am very excited to join the congress as a Democratic Representative from the 18th District.

My constituants are the most progressive, intelligent in the world, and I am thrilled to be able to represent their viewpoint in this Congress.

[Passacaglia]

Anyway, how about jeheinz for Speaker (once he finishes reading the rules)? He's from a centrist district, so he'll have to work to build a consensus, and he's a strong player.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I nominate and vote for St. Cronin for Speaker

With his experience in Congress I know he'd be able to look at things fairly and help lead this group in a way best for this country.

I'm leaving for work and won't be back until about 4:30pst.

[KWhit]

At this time, I cannot support a Republican for speaker as he would not match my beliefs or the beliefs of my constituents.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Anyway, how about jeheinz for Speaker (once he finishes reading the rules)? He's from a centrist district, so he'll have to work to build a consensus, and he's a strong player.

Oh, and he told me if we vote for him, he's going to encourage us to pass a "no ties" bill. Sounds good -- I love casual dress codes.

[KWhit]

No ties?!?!

Surely the Republicans don't think that a vote on No Ties is the highest priority issue we need to address with our first congressional vote?!?!

I'm astonished.

We need to develop protection from the new threat from the Wolf Party. Establishing a Bodyguard seems to be an excellent way of doing this.

However, I will leave the bill proposal to our party's leadership.

[Tyrith]

I would vote for heinz.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I wonder how many people did this. Not that it's a bad thing -- just pointless to delay the game under the guise of giving people more time to read and understand the rules, when my guess is the majority of people aren't going to start reading the rules until they have their role.

Yeah, I've tried reading the rules before getting my role a few times and it just doesn't work out. I end up re-reading them anyways so why bother.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by KWhit

No ties?!?!

Surely the Republicans don't think that a vote on No Ties is the highest priority issue we need to address with our first congressional vote?!?!

I'm astonished.

We need to develop protection from the new threat from the Wolf Party. Establishing a Bodyguard seems to be an excellent way of doing this.

However, I will leave the bill proposal to our party's leadership.

I would have to agree with my esteemed colleague from the 16th district. I don't think a No Ties vote is close to the most pressing need we would have.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by KWhit

No ties?!?!

Surely the Republicans don't think that a vote on No Ties is the highest priority issue we need to address with our first congressional vote?!?!

I'm astonished.

We need to develop protection from the new threat from the Wolf Party. Establishing a Bodyguard seems to be an excellent way of doing this.

However, I will leave the bill proposal to our party's leadership.

I don't know if you're just being in character, but that was just a joke from a previous game.

Anyway, adding a bodyguard and a seer both seem like good ideas to me.

[jeheinz72]

Reasons I should be speaker

1. I'm friggin awesome
2. I look good
3. Can anyone say Free Pancakes? Hmm, can you?
4. Have I mentioned I'm awesome?

[Passacaglia]

Just in case anyone is curious, I asked CR about how the Speaker is elected. It sounds like whoever has the most votes for Speaker at the end of the day becomes the Speaker, and during the night gets to sign or not sign whatever bills we pass. Heinz, can you be on during the night time (6 PM to 4 AM pacific time)? If not, we might need to get someone else.

Also, CR asked me to remind the parties to choose a Presidential Candidate today.

[jeheinz72]

Good catch Pass, I couldn't be on at that time, so yeah, I'm not a great candidate.

[EagleFan]

As usual the Republicans are too busy pushing their beliefs to know what is good for our country. We need to focus within our own party first to decide who our own leaders and laissons will be before we begin to randomly propose bills.


When we do propose a bill it needs to be with our people in mind. We need to find out who may be deadly wolves wmong us. We need enact the ability to determine who we cannot trust (other than Republicans of course). Along with this we need national health care, the ability to heal someone who has been attacked by these wolves among us.

As usual the Republicans have been too busy trying to find wolves in foreign lands (using lies and deceit to put our people in harm's way) to see the problems that exist in our own land and in our own governing body.

[PackerFanatic]

In case anyone was wondering, as well, the Speaker does not (and probably should not) need to be a party leader. Since both the leaders and the Speaker get the chance to propose a bill, we'd be better off electing someone completely outside the party leaders to be speaker.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Even though I hate agreeing with the "honorable" Republican representative I do say that KWhit makes me a little uncomfortable as Speaker of the House. He is a little to liberal for my tastes.

We should look into someone a little more ike mccollins who has always looked out for our citizens best interests. He is not going to pander to those who feel we should invade any country that looks at us cross and is going to make sure the people in our country all have equal opportunity to make it without the greedy fat cats keeping them down.

I thank my honorable colleague from the 13th district for bringing up my name.

If we are to, as one congress, vote for a single candidate to be speaker when we have a 50/50 split on power, I think we will all be looking to vote for a moderate, centrist leader with a high level of activity to fulfill their role.

I would gladly serve in this capacity, but I do not believe our colleagues from across the aisle would vote for me (OOC: plus I'm going to a baseball game tonight). I think we might be able to come to an agreement (that is, not a 9-9 split) on a gentleman from the 8th-11th districts. With Mr. Heinz taking himself out of the running, I encourage us to discuss the following candidates:

RendeR, henry296, Chubby

However, Mr. RendeR has already begun slinging some mud onto our side of the aisle and I would thus prefer Mr. Henry or Mr. Chubbs.

[claphamsa]

Chiefe RUM

Just to confirm, only the party leaders can propose bills? but anyone can introduce a candidate?

[claphamsa]

CR

Alos do we include in the bill who will get the rolls? or is it decided byt he leader? or is it random?

KTHXBAI

[Chubby]

If my name is being brought up for Speaker than I'll gladly add my thoughts.

While I think there's ideallogical differences between the aisles, I think that for the good of the nation we need to come together to defeat the Wolf Party. To do so, is going to require cooperation between both Democrats and Republicans. I think we can accomplish this goal if we work together.

[claphamsa]

someone pointed out that checkign post counts will show you being in a thread...... is it illegal to check post counts?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

someone pointed out that checkign post counts will show you being in a thread...... is it illegal to check post counts?

For the other team? I'd say yes (but that's just my opinion).

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

someone pointed out that checkign post counts will show you being in a thread...... is it illegal to check post counts?

If you check post counts in the other party's thread, it will look like you're in their thread, and you won't be able to prove that you were just checking post counts, and not reading the whole thread. So don't do it.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If you check post counts in the other party's thread, it will look like you're in their thread, and you won't be able to prove that you were just checking post counts, and not reading the whole thread. So don't do it.

ok, gotcha

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Chubby

If my name is being brought up for Speaker than I'll gladly add my thoughts.

While I think there's ideallogical differences between the aisles, I think that for the good of the nation we need to come together to defeat the Wolf Party. To do so, is going to require cooperation between both Democrats and Republicans. I think we can accomplish this goal if we work together.

While my standard ideas on bipartisanship lie toward the idea that I am beholden only to my constituents and to the Democratic Party, I agree with you that defeating the Wolf Party must be our highest priority.

[KWhit]

Whose name do we want to attach to the bill? Who will a popularity boost help the most?

My thinking is that a centrist leaning candidate who we will likely be nominating for the Presidency would be a good choice.

[KWhit]

Am I right in my understanding that each party can propose a separate bill today?

And that it is possible for both of them to pass and to be turned into laws?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Whose name do we want to attach to the bill? Who will a popularity boost help the most?

My thinking is that a centrist leaning candidate who we will likely be nominating for the Presidency would be a good choice.

wrong thread?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If you check post counts in the other party's thread, it will look like you're in their thread, and you won't be able to prove that you were just checking post counts, and not reading the whole thread. So don't do it.

That sounds like the easiest and most logical solution. Why would you want to check post counts in a thread you are not in, or even supposed to be in, anyway?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

wrong thread?

Nah. I'm transparent like that. We Democrats have nothing to hide.

[KWhit]

Anybody have any thoughts on the wording of the BG bill? I'm thinking we can push the boundries a little bit. Like have it be a standard BG role, but the person has a 100% chance of identifying the attacker or something like that.

[claphamsa]

if yalls do that, then supream court might strike it down....

[Chubby]

since we need a speaker to call for a vote and to sign bills today I guess I'll start...

Vote Chubby Speaker

As stated earlier, our country's most clear and present danger is the Wolf Party. We as a nation should come together and do everything in our power to make sure the Wolf Party is eliminated once and for all

[Tyrith]

Feel free to push the boundaries -- a little bit. We can't afford to have our D1 important role bills declared unconstitutional though, as that is going to set us back a long way when we have to pass mostly identical laws again tomorrow.