The Democrat Party Headquarters Thread (No Repubs Allowed!!) - Page 9

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 10:01 AM

Yeah. Makes sense though.

mccollins · 07-23-2008, 10:45 AM

Don't forget to "ENDORSE" PackerFanatic in the main thread.

path12 · 07-23-2008, 10:59 AM

I came in to find a huge problem at work. I'm not going to be around that much until I can get this cleaned up. I'll endorse PF in the main thread.

As you might gather from my popularity, I went more on the power end rather than the popular end of the scale. I've got a trick up my sleeve for this election but I'm going to need to figure out a way to do better as we go on......

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 11:03 AM

Can you make your "trick" use conditional based on whether or not you would lose otherwise?

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 11:45 AM

What happened to our caucus? We should probably get our BG bill out there. Anyone heard from Chubby today?

mccollins · 07-23-2008, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

As for tomorrow, I will be at work from 6am-4pm so this is my plan for my bill....

I'm certainly open to other ideas but it will already be 4pm by the time i get home from work tomorrow so I'll be relying on my party to help out

Looks like he's at work for a bit longer.

mccollins · 07-23-2008, 11:48 AM

So should we just post the BG bill from yesterday to be voted in again?

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 11:54 AM

NATIONAL WOLF SECURITY BILL

Congressional Sponsorship: KWhit and path12

WHEREAS, our country is faced with a security threat from within in the guise of the so-called "Wolf Party":

BE IT RESOLVED:
The role of Bodyguard is hereby established. The Bodyguard may protect either him or herself or one other member of Congress from harm once per year. The Bodyguard may guard the same person in consecutive years if deemed necessary. The Bodyguard shall notify Chief Rum of who he or she intends to protect prior to passage of the night deadline.

Should the person under the Bodyguard's protection be attacked by wolves, there is a 33% chance that the attacker is killed by the Bodyguard. Should the attacker survive, there is a 33% chance that the identity of the attacker will become known to the Bodyguard.

The Bodyguard will be chosen randomly by divine providence (aka Chief Rum) from among the living Members of Congress who are not wolf party members.

This is the text from yesterday's bill with KWhit substituted as a sponsor in place of PF.

mccollins · 07-23-2008, 12:02 PM

As the Whip, I can post this whenever if this is what we'd like to do. I think we had pretty much said our Dem bill would be the same as yesterday (with just changing the sponsors)?

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 12:05 PM

I hate to throw something out there without having heard from almost half of the caucus. Where the heck is everyone?

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 12:13 PM

I'm around. I think that bill is fine.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 12:18 PM

I say we post the BG bill then. Chubby will likely like, and post, the other bill when he gets here.

mccollins · 07-23-2008, 12:19 PM

Go ahead and post it up and we can start voting for it.

All hail the Dem. leader! ;-)

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 12:20 PM

hey guys, checking in, late night on the left coast, catching up now

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 12:30 PM

Catching up still.

What's a rider?

Also can someone post a quick summary of yesterdays results and what we are discussing today. It looks like a brothers bill which I am OK with, but I would mabye rather have a soothsayer.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 12:31 PM

Rider is a clause that the wolves can add to any bill, essentially making their own rule with that bill. The rider they put on the BG bill yesterday was to basically have them except from any investigation into them (for yesterday, it would have been the Seer) Since the bill was vetoed, they do NOT have that power (at least not yet)

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 12:33 PM

I support the bill.

What happend to it yesterday?

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 12:33 PM

As far as what happened yesterday, both bills passed (once the repubs re-did theirs), although like I said, Chubby ended up vetoing our bill (after a lot of consideration on it) It effected the parties popularity some, but hopefully we can win some of that back today.

We are going to re-introduce the BG bill and like a Siblings bill, as you have seen. It wouldn't be in the dems best interest to introduce a soothsayer role, as that is more of a repub role (from the rules)

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 12:34 PM

likely* a Siblings bill.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Rider is a clause that the wolves can add to any bill, essentially making their own rule with that bill. The rider they put on the BG bill yesterday was to basically have them except from any investigation into them (for yesterday, it would have been the Seer) Since the bill was vetoed, they do NOT have that power (at least not yet)

hmmm,

so whats to stop them from adding some nonsense clause to every bill so they never get passed?

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 12:35 PM

ok, I am going to catch up on the game thread

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 12:35 PM

Did you guys not like my revised bill for Chubby (kind of the Absolute Trust bill)?

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 12:38 PM

And I'll go ahead and post the BG bill.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

hmmm,

so whats to stop them from adding some nonsense clause to every bill so they never get passed?

They only get one rider per day, so if we introduce 3 bills, they can only rider one.

And now CR has issued a statement saying we can only veto twice per term (meaning when the Prez gets elected tonight, he can only veto two of the potential 12 bills we have in the next four days)

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 12:39 PM

Soothsayer is a Dem role. Chubby put himself on the hook a little bit by talking about offering a Brothers bill in the public forum. He has not checked in since today's discussion has gotten going, so I have no idea if it is still his intention.

I think most of us are open to considering a bill that offers a different role, but, politically, the GOP would probably be pretty pissed if Chubb proposed anything that went too far to the left.

Make the case for soothsayer. I am too much of a noob to really know which is better in what circumstance.

Wolves can only offer 1 rider a year.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 12:40 PM

Yeah, Chubby is working during the day and said he wouldn't be back til 4pm (no idea what timezone)

As far as your suggestion KWhit, that wouldn't really be a bad idea.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 12:41 PM

FYI- got a PM from Olie that Pass' internet isn't working for him at his job so lines of communication may be sketchy.

I have his email but I don't know how in touch with his party he will be

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

Soothsayer is a Dem role.

Ah good call, I should have just checked before opening my mouth :-D

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Yeah, Chubby is working during the day and said he wouldn't be back til 4pm (no idea what timezone)

As far as your suggestion KWhit, that wouldn't really be a bad idea.

I'll take a stab at writing it up so we have it for discussion.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 12:43 PM

I agree with KWhit the brothers role has always been to me kind of a hack role.

The soothsayer is a great role because you can catch someone in a lie later in the game if there is a countered reveal.

I also like an "apprentice" role that if one of our key roles goes down the apprentice can learn that skill in 2 days.

but I will support any bill we put forward

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 12:44 PM

Speaking of today's actions - anyone have anyone in mind for the lynch vote tonight? I would imagine that is going to be quite party-split, but I know there were a couple mentioned yesterday as pinging some radars.

chesapeake · 07-23-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Did you guys not like my revised bill for Chubby (kind of the Absolute Trust bill)?

If I understand your suggestion, the risk of a double kill outweighs the value of the sibs being able to PM? Wouldn't allowing 1 or, possibly 2 experienced WW players to be able to securely communicate be of tremendous value? Sure, it could crap out and connect 2 lightweights, but any role potentially can go into the hands of an incompetent.

Again, I am a relative noob to the game, so I would appreciate the reasoning behind the lesser role. Being a Democrat, I actually like to act baased on accumulated knowledge

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 12:54 PM

I have never found the PM capability of the siblings to be very helpful, no. The role I propose would at least allow the siblings to announce themselves a bit earlier in the game to form a CoT. Because of the 2 kills for 1 aspect of the siblings, I've found that they almost NEVER reveal - which kind of defeats the purpose.

PMing each other would be very valuable if either one of the two siblings ever had any useful information, but unfortunately they never do because they never have any additional role - they're just vanilla villagers beyond their sibling role.

I have never found siblings to be helpful, really.

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 12:58 PM

Or.... We could do something totally out of the box.

Like a developing a Seer Communication Network.

Establish a single non-wolf person from the opposite party of the seer to gain once-a-day PM communication with the seer.

Something like that would spread the word of who has been scanned and who hasn't and allow a found wolf to be communicated without the seer outing himself.

What do you think?

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 01:01 PM

That actually sounds intriguing. Just one PM a day then?

KWhit · 07-23-2008, 01:07 PM

We could try for unlimited PMs, but could settle for just one if CR said we needed to (which I'm thinking he might).

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 01:11 PM

Yeah I think a limit of 1 or 2 would fly.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 01:16 PM

what about a "hacker" that could read one persons PM a day?

path12 · 07-23-2008, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

Can you make your "trick" use conditional based on whether or not you would lose otherwise?

Don't see why not. Good idea.

henry296 · 07-23-2008, 01:38 PM

Hi all:

I'm back online after having issues with the work free address. Hopefully that means Pass is also back on.

Some thoughts on the day's proceedings:

1. The Republican's definitely slurried me given Chief's comments and my poll status. While I have some tools at my disposal to help turn the tide, anything we can do to help me out would be appreciated. Can I help sponsor Chubby's other bill or at least get one of our support positions.
2. I think the brothers/siblings bill isn't that powerful and we should defer on that until later.
3. The seer PM network is a creative idea, but isn't a seer a republican type role that might not be well received by out consituents. I would support the soothsayer role as that seemed to help a lot in the Spawn Game (empath)
4. I'm sorry to say I think Packer is going to lose because of last night's veto and we might want to target some slurry's against republican congressional candidates instead of Illini.
5. Lathum - any previews of the bill from the republicans?

path12 · 07-23-2008, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Or.... We could do something totally out of the box.

Like a developing a Seer Communication Network.

Establish a single non-wolf person from the opposite party of the seer to gain once-a-day PM communication with the seer.

Something like that would spread the word of who has been scanned and who hasn't and allow a found wolf to be communicated without the seer outing himself.

What do you think?

I like this idea a lot.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 01:44 PM

nothing from the elephants

EagleFan · 07-23-2008, 01:54 PM

Been tied up all day. Since the rule change means that we can't bleed the wolves dry like originally hoped why don't we push to over-ride the veto so we may propose three all new roles today?

mccollins · 07-23-2008, 01:55 PM

Claph voted to lynch KWhit...
Developing....

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 02:01 PM

Clap has been irritating me this game, almost want to vote for him on that alone, lol.

mccollins · 07-23-2008, 02:04 PM

Well, a retaliation for voting for our leader would be a good congress move, but I don't know who to vote for in a pure werewolf sense. Some have pinged the radar, but it's still kind of like a day 1 vote.

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 02:10 PM

i asked pass to ask his party if they prefer soothsayer or brothers.

I think it is a piss poor move to vote for our leader

henry296 · 07-23-2008, 02:11 PM

What about a vote for Pass? He did admit that he pushed for the stronger republican bill yesterday that would've been overturned.

PackerFanatic · 07-23-2008, 02:13 PM

I am beginning to think EF has a good point about overriding this veto - although I am not sure how much I want to push it with a nomination on the line (no matter how much you guys think I don't have a shot, heh)

Lathum · 07-23-2008, 02:16 PM

where did clap vote for kwhit?

post number?

07-23-2008, 10:59 AM	#403
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I came in to find a huge problem at work. I'm not going to be around that much until I can get this cleaned up. I'll endorse PF in the main thread. As you might gather from my popularity, I went more on the power end rather than the popular end of the scale. I've got a trick up my sleeve for this election but I'm going to need to figure out a way to do better as we go on...... __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-23-2008, 12:18 PM	#412
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I say we post the BG bill then. Chubby will likely like, and post, the other bill when he gets here. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 12:31 PM	#416
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Rider is a clause that the wolves can add to any bill, essentially making their own rule with that bill. The rider they put on the BG bill yesterday was to basically have them except from any investigation into them (for yesterday, it would have been the Seer) Since the bill was vetoed, they do NOT have that power (at least not yet) __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 12:33 PM	#418
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	As far as what happened yesterday, both bills passed (once the repubs re-did theirs), although like I said, Chubby ended up vetoing our bill (after a lot of consideration on it) It effected the parties popularity some, but hopefully we can win some of that back today. We are going to re-introduce the BG bill and like a Siblings bill, as you have seen. It wouldn't be in the dems best interest to introduce a soothsayer role, as that is more of a repub role (from the rules) __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 12:34 PM	#419
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	likely* a Siblings bill. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 10:01 AM	#401
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Yeah. Makes sense though.

07-23-2008, 10:45 AM	#402
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Don't forget to "ENDORSE" PackerFanatic in the main thread.

07-23-2008, 11:03 AM	#404
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Can you make your "trick" use conditional based on whether or not you would lose otherwise?

07-23-2008, 11:45 AM	#405
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	What happened to our caucus? We should probably get our BG bill out there. Anyone heard from Chubby today?

07-23-2008, 11:48 AM	#407
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	So should we just post the BG bill from yesterday to be voted in again?

07-23-2008, 11:54 AM	#408
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	NATIONAL WOLF SECURITY BILL Congressional Sponsorship: KWhit and path12 WHEREAS, our country is faced with a security threat from within in the guise of the so-called "Wolf Party": BE IT RESOLVED: The role of Bodyguard is hereby established. The Bodyguard may protect either him or herself or one other member of Congress from harm once per year. The Bodyguard may guard the same person in consecutive years if deemed necessary. The Bodyguard shall notify Chief Rum of who he or she intends to protect prior to passage of the night deadline. Should the person under the Bodyguard's protection be attacked by wolves, there is a 33% chance that the attacker is killed by the Bodyguard. Should the attacker survive, there is a 33% chance that the identity of the attacker will become known to the Bodyguard. The Bodyguard will be chosen randomly by divine providence (aka Chief Rum) from among the living Members of Congress who are not wolf party members. This is the text from yesterday's bill with KWhit substituted as a sponsor in place of PF.

07-23-2008, 12:02 PM	#409
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	As the Whip, I can post this whenever if this is what we'd like to do. I think we had pretty much said our Dem bill would be the same as yesterday (with just changing the sponsors)?

07-23-2008, 12:05 PM	#410
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	I hate to throw something out there without having heard from almost half of the caucus. Where the heck is everyone?

07-23-2008, 12:13 PM	#411
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I'm around. I think that bill is fine.

07-23-2008, 12:19 PM	#413
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Go ahead and post it up and we can start voting for it. All hail the Dem. leader! ;-)

07-23-2008, 12:20 PM	#414
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	hey guys, checking in, late night on the left coast, catching up now

07-23-2008, 12:30 PM	#415
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Catching up still. What's a rider? Also can someone post a quick summary of yesterdays results and what we are discussing today. It looks like a brothers bill which I am OK with, but I would mabye rather have a soothsayer.

07-23-2008, 12:33 PM	#417
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I support the bill. What happend to it yesterday?

07-23-2008, 12:35 PM	#421
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	ok, I am going to catch up on the game thread

07-23-2008, 12:35 PM	#422
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Did you guys not like my revised bill for Chubby (kind of the Absolute Trust bill)?

07-23-2008, 12:38 PM	#423
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	And I'll go ahead and post the BG bill.

07-23-2008, 12:39 PM	#425
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Soothsayer is a Dem role. Chubby put himself on the hook a little bit by talking about offering a Brothers bill in the public forum. He has not checked in since today's discussion has gotten going, so I have no idea if it is still his intention. I think most of us are open to considering a bill that offers a different role, but, politically, the GOP would probably be pretty pissed if Chubb proposed anything that went too far to the left. Make the case for soothsayer. I am too much of a noob to really know which is better in what circumstance. Wolves can only offer 1 rider a year.

07-23-2008, 12:40 PM	#426
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Yeah, Chubby is working during the day and said he wouldn't be back til 4pm (no idea what timezone) As far as your suggestion KWhit, that wouldn't really be a bad idea. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 12:41 PM	#427
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	FYI- got a PM from Olie that Pass' internet isn't working for him at his job so lines of communication may be sketchy. I have his email but I don't know how in touch with his party he will be

07-23-2008, 12:43 PM	#430
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I agree with KWhit the brothers role has always been to me kind of a hack role. The soothsayer is a great role because you can catch someone in a lie later in the game if there is a countered reveal. I also like an "apprentice" role that if one of our key roles goes down the apprentice can learn that skill in 2 days. but I will support any bill we put forward

07-23-2008, 12:44 PM	#431
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Speaking of today's actions - anyone have anyone in mind for the lynch vote tonight? I would imagine that is going to be quite party-split, but I know there were a couple mentioned yesterday as pinging some radars. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 12:54 PM	#433
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I have never found the PM capability of the siblings to be very helpful, no. The role I propose would at least allow the siblings to announce themselves a bit earlier in the game to form a CoT. Because of the 2 kills for 1 aspect of the siblings, I've found that they almost NEVER reveal - which kind of defeats the purpose. PMing each other would be very valuable if either one of the two siblings ever had any useful information, but unfortunately they never do because they never have any additional role - they're just vanilla villagers beyond their sibling role. I have never found siblings to be helpful, really.

07-23-2008, 12:58 PM	#434
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Or.... We could do something totally out of the box. Like a developing a Seer Communication Network. Establish a single non-wolf person from the opposite party of the seer to gain once-a-day PM communication with the seer. Something like that would spread the word of who has been scanned and who hasn't and allow a found wolf to be communicated without the seer outing himself. What do you think?

07-23-2008, 01:01 PM	#435
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	That actually sounds intriguing. Just one PM a day then? __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 01:07 PM	#436
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	We could try for unlimited PMs, but could settle for just one if CR said we needed to (which I'm thinking he might).

07-23-2008, 01:11 PM	#437
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Yeah I think a limit of 1 or 2 would fly. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-23-2008, 01:16 PM	#438
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	what about a "hacker" that could read one persons PM a day?

07-23-2008, 01:38 PM	#440
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Hi all: I'm back online after having issues with the work free address. Hopefully that means Pass is also back on. Some thoughts on the day's proceedings: 1. The Republican's definitely slurried me given Chief's comments and my poll status. While I have some tools at my disposal to help turn the tide, anything we can do to help me out would be appreciated. Can I help sponsor Chubby's other bill or at least get one of our support positions. 2. I think the brothers/siblings bill isn't that powerful and we should defer on that until later. 3. The seer PM network is a creative idea, but isn't a seer a republican type role that might not be well received by out consituents. I would support the soothsayer role as that seemed to help a lot in the Spawn Game (empath) 4. I'm sorry to say I think Packer is going to lose because of last night's veto and we might want to target some slurry's against republican congressional candidates instead of Illini. 5. Lathum - any previews of the bill from the republicans? __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-23-2008, 01:44 PM	#442
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	nothing from the elephants

07-23-2008, 01:54 PM	#443
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Been tied up all day. Since the rule change means that we can't bleed the wolves dry like originally hoped why don't we push to over-ride the veto so we may propose three all new roles today?