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Old 07-25-2008, 08:51 AM   #451
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HAHA

And yeah, we definitely support you two
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:52 AM   #452
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if we do a 3rd, me or RendeR make the most sense
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:53 AM   #453
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It's comforting at least that while PB is at the end of our popularity scale, there are _SIX_ Democrats behind him -- all of them except PF, KWhit, and chesapeake. Jeez.
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:46 AM   #454
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How about this for today's bill?

"The actions of all non-Wolves shall not be blocked by a thief."

Definitely up for other ideas, though.
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:52 AM   #455
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I like that a lot. It's handy, but not so powerful that we won't get it.
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:55 AM   #456
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Do we have a thief? Are we going to get one?
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:59 AM   #457
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Do we have a thief? Are we going to get one?

I don't think we do, but we might in a day or two. Chesapeake hasn't checked in yet today, but I'll ask.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:01 AM   #458
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Also, that Examiner role sounds cool -- might be too much to add, though.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:01 AM   #459
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Also, that Examiner role sounds cool -- might be too much to add, though.

Maybe we wait until we lose the seer before doing that, though.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:24 AM   #460
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Yeah I don't think we'd get an Examiner in
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Old 07-25-2008, 11:35 AM   #461
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Hey guys, still catching up some but great job yesterday. I appreciate the move to support me as apparently I'm teh suck for popularity, plus I've got them surrying me.

I like the idea of getting Lathum or Henry out as we are getting crushed numbers-wise right now.
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:04 PM   #462
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I'd like to suggest we put forth the "Public Review of all Riders" Act today. Its nothing more than the ability to SEE the riders being attached to bills before they get voted on. Allows us to get a better feel for them publicly and vote them down instead of relying on the VETO and possibly hurting ourselves politically.
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:08 PM   #463
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"Public Rider Information Disclosure Enactment" (PRIDE)


Due to the obviously underhanded movements o the wolf party to damage our political standing by attaching riders to bills known to be in good standing and acceptance, thereby garnering more power for themselves under the veil of decent legislation. We hereby put forth the following Bill:

"All Riders to be attached to legislation yet to be voted upon, will become publicly available for review."

This means that any rider, from any party must be announced publicly when it is attached to a bill going forward for a vote. it does not require the knowledge of WHO attached it or which PARTY attached it, simply the legislation it contains. This will allow the good membership of this congress the time to review such policies before passing them through Congress.
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:13 PM   #464
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I'm skeptical of the constitutionality from a game-mechanic standpoint. How would that work? We propose a bill in the public thread, and the wolves have a certain amount of time to attach a rider before we vote on it?

Also, what's the difference between having the President veto it, or all of us just voting 'no' on it? Or are you thinking that we can submit another bill once the rider is attached, making the wolves waste their rider?
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:14 PM   #465
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yeah I don't know how the logistics work there.
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:14 PM   #466
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I like the concept, but I don't think that will fly because of the way this game is being moderated -- CR isn't here to tell us about the riders, and the riders can come in whenever, so we'd have to legislate that, too. My feeling is the entire combination of things is just too much, even though I think it's a great idea and I'd love for it to pass.
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:40 PM   #467
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What do we think about their bill? I'm not a fan of it.
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:41 PM   #468
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Meh, it's ok
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:48 PM   #469
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What do we think about their bill? I'm not a fan of it.

Why not?
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:51 PM   #470
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Why not?

Like oliegirl said, I don't think it'll pass the Supreme Court.
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:52 PM   #471
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Plus I would rather see a bill where the doctor and bodyguard could communicate via PM so they don't both protect the same person.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:01 PM   #472
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Plus I would rather see a bill where the doctor and bodyguard could communicate via PM so they don't both protect the same person.

Why didn't you mention that to them earlier, or to us? That's a centrist bill, so definitely something we can pass through if we want to try. I think it's weird, though, that you're worried about the constitutionality of their bill, when I think what you propose is more likely to be unconstitutional.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:06 PM   #473
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What do you guys think of an examiner role, but random among all players, not just non-wolf? If the wolves get it, they haven't really gained anything, but maybe the chance that we WON'T get it will be enough to make it unconstitutional.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:08 PM   #474
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Why didn't you mention that to them earlier, or to us? That's a centrist bill, so definitely something we can pass through if we want to try. I think it's weird, though, that you're worried about the constitutionality of their bill, when I think what you propose is more likely to be unconstitutional.

It was just an idea, I don't really thinkg it would pass unless like you mentioned it was more of a brothers role where they die together which is something we shouldn't bother with.

What about some of the other ideas I propsed awhile ago, something where we could benefit with a % chance to identify a wolf during a kill, but also an increase in negative publicity if someone did something that would normally give them negative publicity like switching votes and the like?
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:17 PM   #475
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Why don't we just ban votes within the last 10 minutes?
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:17 PM   #476
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Well, that'd create an artificial new deadline, nevermind.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:18 PM   #477
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Why don't we just ban votes within the last 10 minutes?

I actually like that rule.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:19 PM   #478
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Well, that'd create an artificial new deadline, nevermind.

Oh, I thought you wanted to do that, but also get rid of the "penalty for switching votes in the last 10 minutes" rule.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:20 PM   #479
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We could ban vote switches in the last 10 minutes, at least. That way people can still vote but they can't change, and if people have been around but not voted we can view them with appropriate suspicion.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:20 PM   #480
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Well, Pass, tell me how'd you phrase it, so we get on the same page.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:21 PM   #481
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Well, Pass, tell me how'd you phrase it, so we get on the same page.

I actually don't know what we're trying to accomplish here. How I'd phrase what?
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:22 PM   #482
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LOL, doing something with the last 10 minute votes. You seemed like you interpreted what I say in a way you liked.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:25 PM   #483
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No, I meant that I like the way the 10-minute rule is now, and wouldn't want to change it.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:27 PM   #484
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Ah, okay.

Well, I don't really have any ideas as to what to do for today. Maybe the seer broadcast thing again? CR said that one was 50/50 a day or two ago, so it's probably even worse now, but I'm out of ideas for useful stuff.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:29 PM   #485
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Ah, okay.

Well, I don't really have any ideas as to what to do for today. Maybe the seer broadcast thing again? CR said that one was 50/50 a day or two ago, so it's probably even worse now, but I'm out of ideas for useful stuff.

And I've got you helping me create unique roles for 25 superheroes in a sequel game? Glad to see what kind of creative juices are going to be on display
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:29 PM   #486
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What about some of the other ideas I propsed awhile ago, something where we could benefit with a % chance to identify a wolf during a kill, but also an increase in negative publicity if someone did something that would normally give them negative publicity like switching votes and the like?

Is this a bad idea which is why no one is saying anything about it?
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:33 PM   #487
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Is this a bad idea which is why no one is saying anything about it?

I thought that's what Tyrith was trying to get at back there, but turned out I had no clue what he was going for.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:34 PM   #488
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My guess is that it wouldn't fly, and I'm not thrilled about the idea of hurting our ability to do the things we need to do to win the game. Elections are largely our enemy, and it hurts us for vetoes and necessary vote switches to hurt us. Last 10 minute votes don't need to be made any worse -- we already look unkindly towards them as it is.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:47 PM   #489
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How about a Hunter? Create a non-wolf role who, if the only people alive are him and a wolf, the village wins. Seems like something that's not very powerful.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:48 PM   #490
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I like it Pass. seems like a viable role to enter in.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:52 PM   #491
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Sure thing, I'll roll with that.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:52 PM   #492
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Legislative supporters?
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:54 PM   #493
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Well...remember, winning this game is about control of districts. So there would have to be only two guys left alive and they'd have to control the same number of districts. So ultimately, this is merely another clear -- which I'm okay with, but CR may not like that much.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:56 PM   #494
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What about a Secret Service bill where all members of Congress are given a 10% chance of living through an attack (this is a token percentage). Hell, if necessary, let the wolves have a 10% chance of living through an attack by any villager too.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:57 PM   #495
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NM, just caught Pass' hunter idea. I like that and it feels fairly benign until the very end.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:57 PM   #496
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I like it. Except don't call it a Secret Service bill, make it about repealing gun bans
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Old 07-25-2008, 04:02 PM   #497
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Well...remember, winning this game is about control of districts. So there would have to be only two guys left alive and they'd have to control the same number of districts. So ultimately, this is merely another clear -- which I'm okay with, but CR may not like that much.

Good catch. Not sure how to word it.

Also, word is the Speaker will pass a Thief bill. So our idea of a "No villager can have their actions blocked by anyone" bill might help us out.
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Old 07-25-2008, 04:04 PM   #498
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My bad -- the Speaker will NOT pass a Thief bill.
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Old 07-25-2008, 04:04 PM   #499
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If they're going to go with a thief bill then that will would be good.
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Old 07-25-2008, 04:07 PM   #500
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They're worried about adding another role.
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