Werewolf 108, The Gang Wars of 1929 GAME OVER - North Siders Win - Page 5

KWhit · 02-10-2010, 01:18 PM

I want to find out more about EF, Lathum, and CF, so I'm likely going to go with one of them today.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

KWhit · 02-10-2010, 01:21 PM

I'm choosing CF for now because of the late move off of him last night. I am tempted to go after Lathum or EF, but I almost think that EF's saving Lathum was a little too obvious to be a wolf move.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

That, plus it's enjoyable to give lathum a poke every so often and see how he responds. Gives me something to work with.

This makes me wonder sho you are trying to deflect attention from and onto me.

Autumn · 02-10-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

The vote couldn't be 3-3-2 both before and after. And my thinking was to try to keep things close and force people to move their votes later in the day to see what sort of data we got out of that.

That, plus it's enjoyable to give lathum a poke every so often and see how he responds. Gives me something to work with.

You were one of the votes on Lathum, so unvoting him and voting Pass makes it go from 3-3-2 to 3-2-3 if that is clearer. In other word it did not consolidate at all, it just pushed Pass up and Lathum down.

Darth Vilus · 02-10-2010, 01:35 PM

well that sucks

GoldenEagle · 02-10-2010, 02:16 PM

Current Vote Count

2 - Lathum - Chief Rum (185), EagleFan (192)
1 - Daddy Torgo - Autumn (196)
1 - Crimson Fox - KWhit (201)

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I want to find out more about EF, Lathum, and CF, so I'm likely going to go with one of them today.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

Strangely enough Kwhit, I actually feel that I think you are the only one that I DO trust as a villager now. Then again you are such a good player (which is why I chose you yesterday) that if you were a wolf you will come back later and (literally) bite me in the ass.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm choosing CF for now because of the late move off of him last night. I am tempted to go after Lathum or EF, but I almost think that EF's saving Lathum was a little too obvious to be a wolf move.

Um, Kwhit. You were the one that started the late move off of me last night.
So you're voting for me because of something you started?

To answer it, I was as shocked and relieved as anyone that the train veered off of me. (I guess the boss is looking out for "the family"). Obviously first vote of the first day gets one in the papers, but it really means nothing. SOMEONE has to be first.

And no matter how much Lathum says "I am trying to get scanned", that doesn't make it so. I didn't even know what that means until he just explained it. And even if I did know, that also does not make it so defiantly so. It was a first vote on a first day. It means as little or as much that everyone wants to overanalyze about it. GOsh wolves have it easy on day 1.

I like autumn's take on DT's switched vote. It was really odd and suggests as DT/Lathum connection. I agree that whenever someone makes an odd statement like I'm doing it to shake things up, it's really suspicious. Granted people do actually make votes like that sometimes, but they don't necessarily SAY that.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

well that sucks

too bad DV. The mob will have do do without it's sith for now. Too bad. We could have used your light saber to deflect bullets.

KWhit · 02-10-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Um, Kwhit. You were the one that started the late move off of me last night.
So you're voting for me because of something you started?

True, I started it. But I know my reasons for it. It's all the people who followed along that concern me.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

True, I started it. But I know my reasons for it. It's all the people who followed along that concern me.

So vote for them instead.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 03:05 PM

I am trying to think of a game when someone goes from tied for the lead to having one vote so close to the deadline, then the person that gets lynched ends up being a villager and someone else gets all the scrutiny the next day. I have no idea why people are voting me at this point. EF takes a chance at saving me then jumps on me the day after, whats the point of that, CR votes me because I say Lol at the GM's clever write up, I mean gimme a break. Someone give me something I can at least try to defend against, I should be around most of the day and am open to discussion.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 03:07 PM

Danny + j23 = Too quiet.
j23 did not vote so it seems he wasn't around all day.
Only thing Danny did was vote without comment.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I am trying to think of a game when someone goes from tied for the lead to having one vote so close to the deadline, then the person that gets lynched ends up being a villager and someone else gets all the scrutiny the next day. I have no idea why people are voting me at this point. EF takes a chance at saving me then jumps on me the day after, whats the point of that, CR votes me because I say Lol at the GM's clever write up, I mean gimme a break. Someone give me something I can at least try to defend against, I should be around most of the day and am open to discussion.

Actually they've brought up several points and observations. They aren't saying they are facts or damning evidence but all things that can be adressed, mostly based on all the things you've said.
EF analyzed the various change in your answers as being as suspicious. CR is analyzing you simply from a human behavior or nervousness point of view probably as one who knows you and thinks that's very unlike you to say. All of this is easy to defend against. So give us a break.

DaddyTorgo · 02-10-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

This makes me wonder sho you are trying to deflect attention from and onto me.

Nope. Just trying to get a read on you.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 03:35 PM

There are just as any cases that can be made for others, I feel wolves are going to try hide their votes on me.

KWhit bailed off of you late and moved to me, sure it was to avoid a tie but that doesn't mean he wasn't trying to save you.

DT voted for me early, maybe it is because he knows the ball can get rolling on me fast, maybe it was to deflect attention against other people. Autumn then jumps on me. What is odd is neither of them end up with there votes on me in the end.

CF's vote for e makes sense as a self defense vote. But then very quickly CR and RD vote me. This looks to me like someone may be triyng to save CF and put the heat on me. If either CR or RD votes CF it puts him up by 2.

now at that point Pass hadn't voted yet, obviously he is going to vote me or CF to save himself. If CF is up by 2 it makes it that much eaiser for Pass to vote CF and put more distance there.

In the EF and Autumn come to my rescue, so when I come back good it makes them look better in my eyes.

Right now I don't trust CF because despite what he says I can see a situation where he is trying to get scanned. If CF is bad I would look to RealDeal and CR next.

Kwhit is last on my suspicion list because he was breaking the tie and that is perfectly plausible.

Others that stick out are Poli for his non committal vote and Danny for voting CF then just leaving it there.

Again feel free to ask any questions, I would love some dialogue today if for no other reason if I a lynched it will give us something to go by.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Nope. Just trying to get a read on you.

How?

If I defend myself I am being, defensive. If I am quiet I am being to quiet.

What kind of read are you trying to get on day 1, how can I possibly offer up any defense or give you anything to go on?

Chief Rum · 02-10-2010, 03:37 PM

I am willing to consider other targets than Lathum. As I said before, it's just a gut feel at the moment. We don't have much evidence at this point, so we're usually left with gut feels like this. Unfortunately, whether we find any evidence or not, someone has to get lynched today. If a compelling case can be made for someone else, or at least enough to move off of Lathum, I will certainly consider it, but at this point, I don't see a reason to move. Moving just to move would be suspicious anyway.

If someone is going to make a case for someone else, though, they better do it soon--I leave here at 4 my time (7 p.m. EST) and won't be back on until after deadline. Disappointing, too, to only have four votes at this time.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 03:37 PM

Going to make a salad for lunch.

Autumn · 02-10-2010, 03:38 PM

I've got to agree with Lathum here. Id idn't even notice that EF was voting Lathum but that makes NO sense at all. He refused to vote him yesterday, even though it was the simplest way for him to break the tie and it was day one. Voting him now? That's weird.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I am willing to consider other targets than Lathum. As I said before, it's just a gut feel at the moment. We don't have much evidence at this point, so we're usually left with gut feels like this. Unfortunately, whether we find any evidence or not, someone has to get lynched today. If a compelling case can be made for someone else, or at least enough to move off of Lathum, I will certainly consider it, but at this point, I don't see a reason to move. Moving just to move would be suspicious anyway.

If someone is going to make a case for someone else, though, they better do it soon--I leave here at 4 my time (7 p.m. EST) and won't be back on until after deadline. Disappointing, too, to only have four votes at this time.

CR, I kind of make a case for CrimsonFox. I think it tells us about not only the late movers, but the votes you and RealDeal put on me. There is also the concept I put out there about him being the cunning, I am curious if anyone thinks that has some teeth ( no pun intended).

Chief Rum · 02-10-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

CF's vote for e makes sense as a self defense vote. But then very quickly CR and RD vote me. This looks to me like someone may be triyng to save CF and put the heat on me. If either CR or RD votes CF it puts him up by 2.

The vote count at that time was exactly why I did note for CF. The whole purpose of my vote yesterday was to keep things close for information purposes, and really had nothing to do with you except that you were the candidate to pick to make it closer at that time.

Today, I have a reason, albeit not a very good one.

Chief Rum · 02-10-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

CR, I kind of make a case for CrimsonFox. I think it tells us about not only the late movers, but the votes you and RealDeal put on me. There is also the concept I put out there about him being the cunning, I am curious if anyone thinks that has some teeth ( no pun intended).

I'll take a look.

Telle · 02-10-2010, 03:41 PM

Well I wasn't at work today, and I have a meeting tonight so I will not likely be back in time for deadline.

vote CrimsonFox

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 03:42 PM

Dola- I also want to apologize to CF because I am sure it seems to him I hone in on him but it is just a coincidence that it has happened in the few games he has played in.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

The vote count at that time was exactly why I did note for CF. The whole purpose of my vote yesterday was to keep things close for information purposes, and really had nothing to do with you except that you were the candidate to pick to make it closer at that time.

Today, I have a reason, albeit not a very good one.

I get that, but the votes by you and RD just scream to me that one of you was trying to thrust me to the forefront, and by doing that it saves CF.

I get your reason for doing it, but that is very easy logic for a wolf to hide behind. If CF is lynched and comes back villager that makes you and RD look much better in my eyes. Kwhit also to an extent.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 03:45 PM

Vote CrimsonFox

Autumn · 02-10-2010, 03:50 PM

We can look at last night's vote in three ways: a strange surge away from CF suggesting wolves saving him, a weird move to Pass instead of either CF or Lathum suggesting one or two wolves, or a whole bunch of nothing. Being Day one, probably nothing, but I always hope.

Poli · 02-10-2010, 04:09 PM

I can't really decide between the two. I'll go with CF today. I still find it a little too "convenient" that he mentions my vote top down strategy and once the game starts votes for the same guy he expected me to vote for.

vote crimson fox

GoldenEagle · 02-10-2010, 04:11 PM

Current Vote Count (as of post 229):

4 - Crimson Fox - KWhit (201), Telle (224), Lathum (227), Poli (229)
2 - Lathum - Chief Rum (185), EagleFan (192)
1 - Daddy Torgo - Autumn (196)

J23 · 02-10-2010, 04:28 PM

EF, were you able to put together that vote history that you mentioned earlier?

J23 · 02-10-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

You were one of the votes on Lathum, so unvoting him and voting Pass makes it go from 3-3-2 to 3-2-3 if that is clearer. In other word it did not consolidate at all, it just pushed Pass up and Lathum down.

This looked very odd to me as well.

Vote DT

I'll do my best to be around to move my vote if needed.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I've got to agree with Lathum here. Id idn't even notice that EF was voting Lathum but that makes NO sense at all. He refused to vote him yesterday, even though it was the simplest way for him to break the tie and it was day one. Voting him now? That's weird.

Agree on the weirdness. Yesterday it was this strange kind of hero worship that made absolutely no sense along with the baffling logic of
"It would be a shame to vote for someone because he may be a villager."
That makes no sense because...well, he could be a wolf too.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

This looked very odd to me as well.

Vote DT

I'll do my best to be around to move my vote if needed.

Yeah this bothered me too. I still think Lathum makes little sense with his different posts and reasonings but I think that's part of his strategy.

DT's comment however. Hmmm.

Either or for me.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

I can't really decide between the two. I'll go with CF today. I still find it a little too "convenient" that he mentions my vote top down strategy and once the game starts votes for the same guy he expected me to vote for.

vote crimson fox

I mentioned nothing about it. Autumn did as well as someone else. I voted for kwhit purely because of what I said before. It was between him and PB for me and I chose Kwhit because he lasted late into the last two games. Coincidence that he was first on the list. And I never even thought of the fact that you would vote for him. I don't know you well enough to know that you actually use that top-down voting strategy all the time.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Well I wasn't at work today, and I have a meeting tonight so I will not likely be back in time for deadline.

vote CrimsonFox

I sooo loathe this type of vote. No explanation. No reasoning. and an excuse that may or may not be true. Whether wolf with good covers or player that is throwing bad unmovable votes around it's not good for the family business.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Yeah this bothered me too. I still think Lathum makes little sense with his different posts and reasonings but I think that's part of his strategy.
.

I've been very open about being around all day and answering any questions. What about what I am saying makes little sense to you? and keep in mind I know I am a villager so it may make more sense to me.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 05:02 PM

What confuses me is how in two games people scream and panic about trying to avoid a tie. When the game before that people were happy with one.

And speaking of this tie, people were all feisty and up and arms ordering people to vote or unvote to prevent the tie. THen people do just that and then you are all up in arms that people did that and that I must be a wolf because people moved off me and that all people that did so must be wolves too when they could have just been, oh, I don't know, doing what you wanted them to do in avoiding a tie. Reading 50 moves ahead and seeing everything as evidence means nothing is evidence.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I've been very open about being around all day and answering any questions. What about what I am saying makes little sense to you? and keep in mind I know I am a villager so it may make more sense to me.

people that say that seldom are.

EagleFan · 02-10-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I've got to agree with Lathum here. Id idn't even notice that EF was voting Lathum but that makes NO sense at all. He refused to vote him yesterday, even though it was the simplest way for him to break the tie and it was day one. Voting him now? That's weird.

I quoted my reasons. Not weird at all. Look at his reactions after the deadline.

1st he asks for the movement which I am part of as it seemed no-one was moving to CF. Then he explains the movement as just avoiding the tie but a couple minutes later he starts talking about how suspicious it is and how it may be people trying to save CF. Seems like a wolf trying to guide the thought process of the village to me.

EagleFan · 02-10-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

EF, were you able to put together that vote history that you mentioned earlier?

Nope, sorry. Trying to go back to my old strategy based on reading the person and not the vote. When I did them I started to rely on them way too much.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I quoted my reasons. Not weird at all. Look at his reactions after the deadline.

1st he asks for the movement which I am part of as it seemed no-one was moving to CF. Then he explains the movement as just avoiding the tie but a couple minutes later he starts talking about how suspicious it is and how it may be people trying to save CF. Seems like a wolf trying to guide the thought process of the village to me.

indeed, that is ALL he has been doing (guiding the thought processes and telling other people what to think) and the changing of his answers does indicate "invented answers". At this point I'd go with either Lathum or DT. Don't know how much the wolves are trying to protect lathum at this point and if I'd have a better shot lynching DT. And for all I know EF, you were trying to set a trap for me by changing your opinion of lathum just to trick me into quickly voting for him again, but I think you might be on the level. But what the hey...(and there's 3 hours still.)

VOTE LATHUM

Autumn · 02-10-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

What confuses me is how in two games people scream and panic about trying to avoid a tie. When the game before that people were happy with one.

For what it's worth, CF, in 99% of games people scream and panic about ties (though occasionally someone suggests one). The last game was an anomaly because of that warlock role.

But you're certainly right that most of the time the last minute movement ends up being villagers, and then we chase each other around in circles for last minute movements. That's why I'm trying voting elsewhere.

RealDeal · 02-10-2010, 05:33 PM

I voted for him yesterday and the vote shifted at the end. With not much to go on, I'll stay with Lathum.

vote Lathum

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

people that say that seldom are.

umm, really, can you show evidence of that. When someone is a villager what else are they supposed to say?

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 05:39 PM

I finally think I've figured out why Lathum has been pounding me so hard about: "he voted so quickly he is trying to get a scan. He must be the cunning" stuff. I think he's trying to get the seer NOT to scan me and /or make the seer doubt any results he got anyway. I'd be surprised if Lathum or myself have not been scanned by now. But then again everyone seems to have different thought processes and strategies for every occasion.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

umm, really, can you show evidence of that. When someone is a villager what else are they supposed to say?

They usually don't say anything. Just an observation I've made.

Lathum · 02-10-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Don't know how much the wolves are trying to protect lathum at this point and if I'd have a better shot lynching DT. ]

You know, this is the 3rd or 4th tie you have spoken about soething as if it is an absolute when A. You would have no way to know and B. You are totally wrong.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

For what it's worth, CF, in 99% of games people scream and panic about ties (though occasionally someone suggests one). The last game was an anomaly because of that warlock role.

But you're certainly right that most of the time the last minute movement ends up being villagers, and then we chase each other around in circles for last minute movements. That's why I'm trying voting elsewhere.

Good thought. The first day votes are actually a laugh riot for wolves in general I'd gather. Lots of chickens with their heads cut off running around changing votes. Only pure luck probably nails a wolf on day one.

CrimsonFox · 02-10-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

You know, this is the 3rd or 4th tie you have spoken about soething as if it is an absolute when A. You would have no way to know and B. You are totally wrong.

They could be trying to protect you to throw guilt on me or they could be doing a bunch of things to manipulate us both. And you do that all day long (say everything as if it were an absolute fact) so I wonder where I picked that up.

02-10-2010, 01:35 PM	#205
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	well that sucks __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

02-10-2010, 02:16 PM	#206
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Current Vote Count 2 - Lathum - Chief Rum (185), EagleFan (192) 1 - Daddy Torgo - Autumn (196) 1 - Crimson Fox - KWhit (201) __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

02-10-2010, 03:37 PM	#218
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I am willing to consider other targets than Lathum. As I said before, it's just a gut feel at the moment. We don't have much evidence at this point, so we're usually left with gut feels like this. Unfortunately, whether we find any evidence or not, someone has to get lynched today. If a compelling case can be made for someone else, or at least enough to move off of Lathum, I will certainly consider it, but at this point, I don't see a reason to move. Moving just to move would be suspicious anyway. If someone is going to make a case for someone else, though, they better do it soon--I leave here at 4 my time (7 p.m. EST) and won't be back on until after deadline. Disappointing, too, to only have four votes at this time. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

02-10-2010, 04:09 PM	#229
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I can't really decide between the two. I'll go with CF today. I still find it a little too "convenient" that he mentions my vote top down strategy and once the game starts votes for the same guy he expected me to vote for. vote crimson fox __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-10-2010, 04:11 PM	#230
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Current Vote Count (as of post 229): 4 - Crimson Fox - KWhit (201), Telle (224), Lathum (227), Poli (229) 2 - Lathum - Chief Rum (185), EagleFan (192) 1 - Daddy Torgo - Autumn (196) __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014 Last edited by GoldenEagle : 02-10-2010 at 04:12 PM.

02-10-2010, 01:18 PM	#201
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I want to find out more about EF, Lathum, and CF, so I'm likely going to go with one of them today. VOTE CRIMSON FOX

02-10-2010, 01:21 PM	#202
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I'm choosing CF for now because of the late move off of him last night. I am tempted to go after Lathum or EF, but I almost think that EF's saving Lathum was a little too obvious to be a wolf move.

02-10-2010, 03:05 PM	#212
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I am trying to think of a game when someone goes from tied for the lead to having one vote so close to the deadline, then the person that gets lynched ends up being a villager and someone else gets all the scrutiny the next day. I have no idea why people are voting me at this point. EF takes a chance at saving me then jumps on me the day after, whats the point of that, CR votes me because I say Lol at the GM's clever write up, I mean gimme a break. Someone give me something I can at least try to defend against, I should be around most of the day and am open to discussion.

02-10-2010, 03:07 PM	#213
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Danny + j23 = Too quiet. j23 did not vote so it seems he wasn't around all day. Only thing Danny did was vote without comment.

02-10-2010, 03:35 PM	#216
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	There are just as any cases that can be made for others, I feel wolves are going to try hide their votes on me. KWhit bailed off of you late and moved to me, sure it was to avoid a tie but that doesn't mean he wasn't trying to save you. DT voted for me early, maybe it is because he knows the ball can get rolling on me fast, maybe it was to deflect attention against other people. Autumn then jumps on me. What is odd is neither of them end up with there votes on me in the end. CF's vote for e makes sense as a self defense vote. But then very quickly CR and RD vote me. This looks to me like someone may be triyng to save CF and put the heat on me. If either CR or RD votes CF it puts him up by 2. now at that point Pass hadn't voted yet, obviously he is going to vote me or CF to save himself. If CF is up by 2 it makes it that much eaiser for Pass to vote CF and put more distance there. In the EF and Autumn come to my rescue, so when I come back good it makes them look better in my eyes. Right now I don't trust CF because despite what he says I can see a situation where he is trying to get scanned. If CF is bad I would look to RealDeal and CR next. Kwhit is last on my suspicion list because he was breaking the tie and that is perfectly plausible. Others that stick out are Poli for his non committal vote and Danny for voting CF then just leaving it there. Again feel free to ask any questions, I would love some dialogue today if for no other reason if I a lynched it will give us something to go by.

02-10-2010, 03:37 PM	#219
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Going to make a salad for lunch.

02-10-2010, 03:38 PM	#220
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I've got to agree with Lathum here. Id idn't even notice that EF was voting Lathum but that makes NO sense at all. He refused to vote him yesterday, even though it was the simplest way for him to break the tie and it was day one. Voting him now? That's weird.

02-10-2010, 03:41 PM	#224
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well I wasn't at work today, and I have a meeting tonight so I will not likely be back in time for deadline. vote CrimsonFox

02-10-2010, 03:42 PM	#225
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Dola- I also want to apologize to CF because I am sure it seems to him I hone in on him but it is just a coincidence that it has happened in the few games he has played in.

02-10-2010, 03:45 PM	#227
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Vote CrimsonFox

02-10-2010, 03:50 PM	#228
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	We can look at last night's vote in three ways: a strange surge away from CF suggesting wolves saving him, a weird move to Pass instead of either CF or Lathum suggesting one or two wolves, or a whole bunch of nothing. Being Day one, probably nothing, but I always hope.

02-10-2010, 04:28 PM	#231
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	EF, were you able to put together that vote history that you mentioned earlier?

02-10-2010, 05:02 PM	#238
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	What confuses me is how in two games people scream and panic about trying to avoid a tie. When the game before that people were happy with one. And speaking of this tie, people were all feisty and up and arms ordering people to vote or unvote to prevent the tie. THen people do just that and then you are all up in arms that people did that and that I must be a wolf because people moved off me and that all people that did so must be wolves too when they could have just been, oh, I don't know, doing what you wanted them to do in avoiding a tie. Reading 50 moves ahead and seeing everything as evidence means nothing is evidence.

02-10-2010, 05:33 PM	#244
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I voted for him yesterday and the vote shifted at the end. With not much to go on, I'll stay with Lathum. vote Lathum

02-10-2010, 05:39 PM	#246
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I finally think I've figured out why Lathum has been pounding me so hard about: "he voted so quickly he is trying to get a scan. He must be the cunning" stuff. I think he's trying to get the seer NOT to scan me and /or make the seer doubt any results he got anyway. I'd be surprised if Lathum or myself have not been scanned by now. But then again everyone seems to have different thought processes and strategies for every occasion.

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