WW CXXVII: Fight for the Cosmic Cube (GAME OVER see post #909) - Page 4

hoopsguy · 08-25-2011, 09:34 PM

Submariner is a tough one to place; really depends on context. But for the most part, at least during the time I actively read comics, he was a good guy. The times he was cast as bad usually involved him getting in some kind of political dispute around his homeland (Atlantis) or over desiring Invisible Girl/Woman but I think those lame stories ended in the 60s.

He was a good guy during the WW II era, fighting with Captain America against the Nazis, if I recall correctly. I'm still not sure about era in this game, but since Captain America and the Red Skull are so intimately tied to the Cosmic Cube storylines that is where I would place him.

hoopsguy · 08-25-2011, 09:41 PM

I don't feel like I've got any more clarity on how to act today than I did yesterday. While I think that Submariner should be classified as a hero, I'm not 100% sure that Marvel comic roles absolutely correlate to good/evil in this particular game. This appears to be a "no reveal on death" game, so we've got no idea of faction or abilities associated with Sub-mariner.

So I don't know whether to be glad or upset about the late movement that sank the swimmer.

MrBug708 · 08-25-2011, 09:56 PM

Have to admit, didn't expect the hour earlier deadline, but I also didnt bother to check either.

Darth Vilus · 08-25-2011, 10:00 PM

Yo Chubby! Clarification please!

mckerney · 08-25-2011, 10:19 PM

Darth Vilus · 08-25-2011, 10:24 PM

Does anyone know a good exorcism? My mother and sister are watching Jersey Shore!

Autumn · 08-25-2011, 10:30 PM

Sorry I wasn't around folks, I didn't really expect to be out half the day, but that's how it happened.

Sucks that our first lynch is such a wishy-washy character. based on my comic reading, I would paint him as a Hero. He sometimes plays the antagonist, but I don't think I'd lump him with super villains.

Not much else to say, I had to read through fast, I saw a lot of votes on Mckerney at the end, but maybe just typical "we don't want ties" stuff? Hopefully someone kept a vote history.

Darth Vilus · 08-25-2011, 11:51 PM

4am deadline, ugh

Narcizo · 08-26-2011, 12:11 AM

4am deadline. Yay!

Narcizo · 08-26-2011, 12:12 AM

I was pretty much expecting no-role reveal. Makes voting even more of a crap-shoot.

Narcizo · 08-26-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

A team reveal certainly is not going to be something we can accept at face value, but it will at least give us a new layer of information to work with, and allow us to start focusing on determining what is true and what is not, the basis of all WW games. Plus, it allows us to work together as teams and see what comes of that as well.

I've got to think that there is some sort of mechanic in the game to make team reveals unproductive. If there isn't and we all just reveal now then whoever's side mckerney was on is going to lose, because we'll all just vote for one person on the other team.

Narcizo · 08-26-2011, 12:32 AM

I'd like Monday - but if it's got to be over the weekend then I'll take Sunday, please.

MrBug708 · 08-26-2011, 01:27 AM

Monday

Narcizo · 08-26-2011, 03:22 AM

For what it's worth I normally think of Submariner as being a good guy because he was a member of the Avengers at some stage. Just a good guy with own issues that can blur the line.

Wonder if we're all tweeners to make it hard to get a read on which side everyone is. My character has been on both sides of the fence at some stage, although they are probably associated most with one side (well, by me with my un-up-to-date knowledge, anyway). I'd imagine there are easily way more than 16 biggish characters in Marvel who could be characterised as tweeners at one stage or other.

Narcizo · 08-26-2011, 03:24 AM

Oh I'm lacking the impetous to do a vote tally thingy at the moment. Doesn't really seem worthwhile in this ruleset.

Chubby · 08-26-2011, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

Yo Chubby! Clarification please!

on what?

4am deadline was due to my work schedule. It was either that or do the same deadline for day/night like Thor game (which I liked) but ultimately I chose to give the players some time to adjust based on lynch.

Chubby · 08-26-2011, 04:14 AM

As the world wakes, there does not appear to be any news of any sudden and mysterious deaths.

Day 2 begins. Deadline is Friday 9pm EST. PMs have been sent.

Chubby · 08-26-2011, 04:18 AM

A bright light flashes again and blinds you. When your vision returns you feel slightly different as if something has changed. Has someone used the cube yet again? If so, who and for what ends? Will you ever receive anymore information or are you forever banished to the land of ignorance? Does everyone need to get sunglasses? These flashes seem to be getting brighter and more frequent...

Narcizo · 08-26-2011, 04:19 AM

Thank goodness for that. Means I can get my vote in now as I don't know if I'm going to be around for the rest of today. We're travelling to Linköping today and then being at a friends house so it's not fantastically likely that I'll be around much.

Vote Bhlloy

I've a feeling that he doesn't seem to be on the right side. Got precious little else to go with so I'll just have to follow that feeling.

jeheinz72 · 08-26-2011, 06:55 AM

WTF is going on.

jeheinz72 · 08-26-2011, 06:58 AM

From that writeup (and I know nil about comics) he seems like a good guy. Not that I know what this means or how it changes anything.

My best guess is the factions are still being formed (the flashes) and people are getting their powers (though I'm still powerless).

I have the sinking feeling that Day 2 is going to be one of THOSE days. One of the "hey remember when PLayerX went all Y on things and basically won that one game?"

hoopsguy · 08-26-2011, 07:56 AM

I don't think I'm going to be "PLayerX" today - I'm still as in the dark now as I was at this time yesterday.

Maybe someone has information that will clue the rest of us in - I'm all for having something to help guide actions at this point.

jeheinz72 · 08-26-2011, 08:00 AM

Oh, also, I vote Sunday

Autumn · 08-26-2011, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

My best guess is the factions are still being formed (the flashes) and people are getting their powers (though I'm still powerless).

What do you mean factions are being formed? Are you not on the side of good or evil at the moment?

Autumn · 08-26-2011, 08:11 AM

The only thing I see to work on is that a lot of people jumped from Jackal at the end and onto Mckerney, who I believe was a Hero. So the simplest thing to do:

vote the jackal

jeheinz72 · 08-26-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

What do you mean factions are being formed? Are you not on the side of good or evil at the moment?

I'm on one of those two, but can't PM anyone. I assume those Chubby flashes are connections being made between 2+ like-sided folks

Telle · 08-26-2011, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

The only thing I see to work on is that a lot of people jumped from Jackal at the end and onto Mckerney, who I believe was a Hero. So the simplest thing to do:

vote the jackal

Actually, I'm the only one that jumped from The Jackal to mckerney. And that was to prevent a tie, at eight minutes to deadline. At essentially the same time Danny also moved to mckerney to also prevent a tie.. but he was on me before then.

Danny · 08-26-2011, 08:29 AM

I still think assuming Mckerney is a hero is a mistake. We really don't know, he may have been, but I think it's just as likely he was not.

Danny · 08-26-2011, 08:39 AM

One of the reasons I am not as sold on Sub Mariner is while he may have often been good, I believe most of his uses of the cube was for evil purposes.

Danny · 08-26-2011, 08:40 AM

Well found this relating to him "The Sub-Mariner recovered the Cube only to lose it to the ocean after an attempted revenge against the Avengers" Seems to be the only mention of him regarding the cube.

The Jackal · 08-26-2011, 08:57 AM

I was tending to think I'd vote for someone who stayed on me after I said I wasn't a villain yesterday, mainly hoops, heinz, or DV.

So, with plenty of room for movement if we get any sort of useful info..

VOTE DV

Telle · 08-26-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I was tending to think I'd vote for someone who stayed on me after I said I wasn't a villain yesterday ...

What post number was that? And why would you expect anyone to believe you when you claim to not be a villain?

hoopsguy · 08-26-2011, 09:47 AM

Therein lies the challenge - I was in and out after putting the vote down, but I'm honestly not sure what kind of reveal I would have believed yesterday (or today) to keep me from going ahead with a lynching.

Without any idea of what roles are in the game, what roles are on my side, what roles are on enemy side, or how people are communicating with each other I'm feeling pretty adrift right now. Voting might as well be throwing darts at the moment. Hopefully something emerges to provide some clarity.

The Jackal · 08-26-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

What post number was that? And why would you expect anyone to believe you when you claim to not be a villain?

Post 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm not a villain.

Hopefully there's a soothsayer.

I had said it before realizing that we're equally divided. When I said it I thought there were a small number of villains, like a usual group of wolves, but since we're supposedly split equally, there's not much reason for me to lie. And I would expect mainly villains to end up on me after I revealed my allegiance.

SnDvls · 08-26-2011, 09:54 AM

I agree it's really still a crapshoot and I still stand by the thoughts of Submariner/mckerney was good just by the wiki entry from post #1.

Someone on that list of voters for him would have know too I'm guessing

The Jackal · 08-26-2011, 09:58 AM

Of course the argument could be made that since I didn't know about the rules, I would have said I was a hero even if I was a villain. But there's no reason for me to lie about it now. I wouldn't want fellow villains voting for me if I was one!

Chief Rum · 08-26-2011, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Of course the argument could be made that since I didn't know about the rules, I would have said I was a hero even if I was a villain. But there's no reason for me to lie about it now. I wouldn't want fellow villains voting for me if I was one!

Let me clarify, jehainz. What rules did you not know about?

The Jackal · 08-26-2011, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Let me clarify, jehainz. What rules did you not know about?

I didn't realize we were equally split, that's all. I thought the major group was heroes and villains were a minority.

Chief Rum · 08-26-2011, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I didn't realize we were equally split, that's all. I thought the major group was heroes and villains were a minority.

FWIW, that's right there in the rules post. Did you just scan over that?

jeheinz72 · 08-26-2011, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Let me clarify, jehainz. What rules did you not know about?

Wha?

The Jackal · 08-26-2011, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

FWIW, that's right there in the rules post. Did you just scan over that?

Sure did. I got back at 230 am Thursday morning and spent all day yesterday cleaning. I didn't read very closely and that's my fault.

SnDvls · 08-26-2011, 11:18 AM

vote Narcizo

didn't like that he didn't take his vote off yesterday after misinterperting the rules.

that's really all I got or going back to my day 1 vote.

ntndeacon · 08-26-2011, 11:21 AM

vote Sunday

Zinto · 08-26-2011, 11:48 AM

I am not going to be around again today and I don't blame anyone for voting me because of that so I am going to place a quick vote.

Vote Mr.Bug

Chief Rum · 08-26-2011, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Wha?

Sorry, got my "J's" confused.

Telle · 08-26-2011, 11:55 AM

Votes as of post #195:

1 - bhlloy - Narcizo (169)
1 - The Jackal - Autumn (175)
1 - Darth Vilus - The Jackal (181)
1 - Narcizo - SnDvls (192)
1 - MrBug - Zinto (194)

Chief Rum · 08-26-2011, 11:55 AM

I think we need information. So I am spilling the beans.

Yesterday, when the second flash of light happened, the Cube magically appeared in front of me, and I was in control of it. I was given little indication of what all powers it has, but that they were significant and many, kinda like a do all WW tool, I think.

I was told I could not use it until the night phase.

I attempted to contact everyone on my team vuia a PM, but it appears this did not work, maybe was beyond what the Cube could do. This morning, with the sim and my attempted use of the Cube, it up and disappeared again, no doubt to another player in the game.

So it looks like these flashes of light represents the Cube transporting itself to another player, probably after being used.

The Jackal · 08-26-2011, 11:58 AM

That makes sense. So powers will likely rotate from person to person, maybe some will stick and others will be one off?

Telle · 08-26-2011, 12:01 PM

Interesting Chief. So am I correct in my understanding that your use of the cube was more or less "wasted", since you tried something that didn't work?

bhlloy · 08-26-2011, 12:08 PM

Chief - was that the flash of light from 2:18am this morning (post #167) or the one during the day? Because if so that puts a pretty big fork in a theory I'm working on.

08-25-2011, 10:00 PM	#154
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Yo Chubby! Clarification please! __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

08-25-2011, 10:19 PM	#155
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Ow.

08-25-2011, 10:24 PM	#156
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Does anyone know a good exorcism? My mother and sister are watching Jersey Shore! __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

08-25-2011, 11:51 PM	#158
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	4am deadline, ugh __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

08-26-2011, 11:55 AM	#197
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I think we need information. So I am spilling the beans. Yesterday, when the second flash of light happened, the Cube magically appeared in front of me, and I was in control of it. I was given little indication of what all powers it has, but that they were significant and many, kinda like a do all WW tool, I think. I was told I could not use it until the night phase. I attempted to contact everyone on my team vuia a PM, but it appears this did not work, maybe was beyond what the Cube could do. This morning, with the sim and my attempted use of the Cube, it up and disappeared again, no doubt to another player in the game. So it looks like these flashes of light represents the Cube transporting itself to another player, probably after being used. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

08-25-2011, 09:34 PM	#151
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Submariner is a tough one to place; really depends on context. But for the most part, at least during the time I actively read comics, he was a good guy. The times he was cast as bad usually involved him getting in some kind of political dispute around his homeland (Atlantis) or over desiring Invisible Girl/Woman but I think those lame stories ended in the 60s. He was a good guy during the WW II era, fighting with Captain America against the Nazis, if I recall correctly. I'm still not sure about era in this game, but since Captain America and the Red Skull are so intimately tied to the Cosmic Cube storylines that is where I would place him.

08-25-2011, 09:41 PM	#152
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I don't feel like I've got any more clarity on how to act today than I did yesterday. While I think that Submariner should be classified as a hero, I'm not 100% sure that Marvel comic roles absolutely correlate to good/evil in this particular game. This appears to be a "no reveal on death" game, so we've got no idea of faction or abilities associated with Sub-mariner. So I don't know whether to be glad or upset about the late movement that sank the swimmer.

08-25-2011, 09:56 PM	#153
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Have to admit, didn't expect the hour earlier deadline, but I also didnt bother to check either.

08-25-2011, 10:30 PM	#157
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Sorry I wasn't around folks, I didn't really expect to be out half the day, but that's how it happened. Sucks that our first lynch is such a wishy-washy character. based on my comic reading, I would paint him as a Hero. He sometimes plays the antagonist, but I don't think I'd lump him with super villains. Not much else to say, I had to read through fast, I saw a lot of votes on Mckerney at the end, but maybe just typical "we don't want ties" stuff? Hopefully someone kept a vote history.

08-26-2011, 12:11 AM	#159
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	4am deadline. Yay!

08-26-2011, 12:12 AM	#160
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	I was pretty much expecting no-role reveal. Makes voting even more of a crap-shoot.

08-26-2011, 12:32 AM	#162
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	I'd like Monday - but if it's got to be over the weekend then I'll take Sunday, please.

08-26-2011, 01:27 AM	#163
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Monday

08-26-2011, 03:22 AM	#164
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	For what it's worth I normally think of Submariner as being a good guy because he was a member of the Avengers at some stage. Just a good guy with own issues that can blur the line. Wonder if we're all tweeners to make it hard to get a read on which side everyone is. My character has been on both sides of the fence at some stage, although they are probably associated most with one side (well, by me with my un-up-to-date knowledge, anyway). I'd imagine there are easily way more than 16 biggish characters in Marvel who could be characterised as tweeners at one stage or other.

08-26-2011, 03:24 AM	#165
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Oh I'm lacking the impetous to do a vote tally thingy at the moment. Doesn't really seem worthwhile in this ruleset.

08-26-2011, 04:14 AM	#167
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	As the world wakes, there does not appear to be any news of any sudden and mysterious deaths. Day 2 begins. Deadline is Friday 9pm EST. PMs have been sent.

08-26-2011, 04:18 AM	#168
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	A bright light flashes again and blinds you. When your vision returns you feel slightly different as if something has changed. Has someone used the cube yet again? If so, who and for what ends? Will you ever receive anymore information or are you forever banished to the land of ignorance? Does everyone need to get sunglasses? These flashes seem to be getting brighter and more frequent...

08-26-2011, 04:19 AM	#169
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Thank goodness for that. Means I can get my vote in now as I don't know if I'm going to be around for the rest of today. We're travelling to Linköping today and then being at a friends house so it's not fantastically likely that I'll be around much. Vote Bhlloy I've a feeling that he doesn't seem to be on the right side. Got precious little else to go with so I'll just have to follow that feeling.

08-26-2011, 07:56 AM	#172
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I don't think I'm going to be "PLayerX" today - I'm still as in the dark now as I was at this time yesterday. Maybe someone has information that will clue the rest of us in - I'm all for having something to help guide actions at this point.

08-26-2011, 08:11 AM	#175
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	The only thing I see to work on is that a lot of people jumped from Jackal at the end and onto Mckerney, who I believe was a Hero. So the simplest thing to do: vote the jackal

08-26-2011, 08:29 AM	#178
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I still think assuming Mckerney is a hero is a mistake. We really don't know, he may have been, but I think it's just as likely he was not.

08-26-2011, 08:39 AM	#179
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	One of the reasons I am not as sold on Sub Mariner is while he may have often been good, I believe most of his uses of the cube was for evil purposes.

08-26-2011, 08:40 AM	#180
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Well found this relating to him "The Sub-Mariner recovered the Cube only to lose it to the ocean after an attempted revenge against the Avengers" Seems to be the only mention of him regarding the cube.

08-26-2011, 08:57 AM	#181
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I was tending to think I'd vote for someone who stayed on me after I said I wasn't a villain yesterday, mainly hoops, heinz, or DV. So, with plenty of room for movement if we get any sort of useful info.. VOTE DV

08-26-2011, 09:47 AM	#183
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Therein lies the challenge - I was in and out after putting the vote down, but I'm honestly not sure what kind of reveal I would have believed yesterday (or today) to keep me from going ahead with a lynching. Without any idea of what roles are in the game, what roles are on my side, what roles are on enemy side, or how people are communicating with each other I'm feeling pretty adrift right now. Voting might as well be throwing darts at the moment. Hopefully something emerges to provide some clarity.

08-26-2011, 09:54 AM	#185
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I agree it's really still a crapshoot and I still stand by the thoughts of Submariner/mckerney was good just by the wiki entry from post #1. Someone on that list of voters for him would have know too I'm guessing

08-26-2011, 09:58 AM	#186
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Of course the argument could be made that since I didn't know about the rules, I would have said I was a hero even if I was a villain. But there's no reason for me to lie about it now. I wouldn't want fellow villains voting for me if I was one!

08-26-2011, 11:18 AM	#192
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	vote Narcizo didn't like that he didn't take his vote off yesterday after misinterperting the rules. that's really all I got or going back to my day 1 vote.

08-26-2011, 11:21 AM	#193
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	vote Sunday

08-26-2011, 11:48 AM	#194
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I am not going to be around again today and I don't blame anyone for voting me because of that so I am going to place a quick vote. Vote Mr.Bug

08-26-2011, 11:55 AM	#196
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Votes as of post #195: 1 - bhlloy - Narcizo (169) 1 - The Jackal - Autumn (175) 1 - Darth Vilus - The Jackal (181) 1 - Narcizo - SnDvls (192) 1 - MrBug - Zinto (194)

08-26-2011, 11:58 AM	#198
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	That makes sense. So powers will likely rotate from person to person, maybe some will stick and others will be one off?

08-26-2011, 12:01 PM	#199
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Interesting Chief. So am I correct in my understanding that your use of the cube was more or less "wasted", since you tried something that didn't work?

08-26-2011, 12:08 PM	#200
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Chief - was that the flash of light from 2:18am this morning (post #167) or the one during the day? Because if so that puts a pretty big fork in a theory I'm working on.

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