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Old 04-14-2015, 10:16 PM   #701
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Wait, the scumteam didn't try to shoot Shoveler? Really?
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:16 PM   #702
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just confused you and shoveler, ha
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:17 PM   #703
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A vanilla villager was killed? That does not look good for Shoveler.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:17 PM   #704
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Prevailing logic would be that the assumption is the Martyr guards Shoveler last night, so it would be a wasted kill.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:17 PM   #705
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Can I just take a moment to say I am so happy that my read on Raven was correct, you don't even know.

It was mostly a lucky guess BUT STILL.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:18 PM   #706
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Did Zinto say the Martyr died if he got a block? He said no right? Traditional BG?
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:18 PM   #707
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Prevailing logic would be that the assumption is the Martyr guards Shoveler last night, so it would be a wasted kill.

No it wouldn't, because then the Martyr would be dead and then the scumteam could take out Shoveler the next Night.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:18 PM   #708
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I would approve of a seer claim toDay if Shoveler is lying, especially with the martyr still in play.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:18 PM   #709
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Bleh, I can't remember what Zinto said.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:18 PM   #710
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:19 PM   #711
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The Martyr role was not purposely vague(oops). The Martyr can protect someone each night but will be the one who is nightkilled if the protection hits the nightkill target.

Nevermind, this makes Shoveler look worse, because at least they'd take out the Martyr.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:19 PM   #712
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Seriously? Not even waiting for Shoveler's scan result?
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:20 PM   #713
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Could have been a calculated risk knowing that we'd maybe lynch the seer for them if Shoveler and the Martyr didn't die today, and they just take out a strong player instead
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:20 PM   #714
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But yes, curious what Shoveler has to say
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:20 PM   #715
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Oh right, we're going with the assumption that I put kills in early or something.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:21 PM   #716
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That is my placeholder. I feel pretty strong but we will see what happens. Waffling on the third wolf, but vote history should help. Off to bed yall
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:21 PM   #717
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Could have been a calculated risk knowing that we'd maybe lynch the seer for them if Shoveler and the Martyr didn't die today, and they just take out a strong player instead
That's crazy. We're not going to lynch the claimed seer on Day 3 without a counter.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:21 PM   #718
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Nevermind, this makes Shoveler look worse, because at least they'd take out the Martyr.

Good catch.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:21 PM   #719
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Oh right, we're going with the assumption that they put kills in early or something.

Wow that's a horrible post, but FIXED.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:23 PM   #720
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Could have been a calculated risk knowing that we'd maybe lynch the seer for them if Shoveler and the Martyr didn't die today, and they just take out a strong player instead

And giving us an extra free scan? There's no decent reason I can see for doing that, unless they misread the rules.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:25 PM   #721
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That's crazy. We're not going to lynch the claimed seer on Day 3 without a counter.

Wait until morning for everyone to catch up. The way this game has gone the seer may not even be on (if Shoveler reveal is fake).

The wolves could have also purposely gone after someone other than Shoveler to make him a target of the lynch.

Additionally, if we believe they weren't around much based on the day one kill (or maybe a new player could have been the only one around) it may have been an early kill order before the reveal.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:27 PM   #722
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Oh right, we're going with the assumption that I put kills in early or something.

I have to say, one other time I saw someone basically call themselves a wolf in a post and it was true.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:28 PM   #723
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If only life were that easy.

I think I was talking and typing at the same time and slipped in an 'I' when I was saying "I.'
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:29 PM   #724
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If the Shoveler reveal is true:

Day Two Final Tally

Raven 6- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626), Fontisian(636), Path(638), Timmae(641), JAG(675)
Autumn 4- The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 2-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510)
Timmae 1- Grover(530)
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:30 PM   #725
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Any read on Grover? He has one off votes both days.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:30 PM   #726
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Guys, Raven was around to change the kill to Shoveler.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:31 PM   #727
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Oh right, time to look at who didn't hop on the Raven wagon.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:31 PM   #728
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Going on a hunch here... voting for stooge* number 2.

vote autumn

*stooge is a term of endearment as I usually love those guys. Only Benny Hill is better.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:32 PM   #729
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Right, there was no way the wolves didn't have time to change the kill.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:33 PM   #730
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Going on a hunch here... voting for stooge* number 2.

vote autumn

*stooge is a term of endearment as I usually love those guys. Only Benny Hill is better.

With all due respect (see?), this is an awful vote. He started the run on Raven and Raven voted him instead of Shoveler earlier in the day. Very very unlikely wolf in my opinion.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:34 PM   #731
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Huh. So Jackal is the only unknown on Autumn, and then Narcizo and Grover are just sort of out there.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:34 PM   #732
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timmae, did you roll Wolf again?
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:35 PM   #733
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timmae, did you roll Wolf again?

I told you I am.... a 3 stooges fan.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:37 PM   #734
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Uh huh.

Why are you voting for Autumn?
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:37 PM   #735
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Shoveler being on Autumn also makes him look worse.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:38 PM   #736
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That's crazy. We're not going to lynch the claimed seer on Day 3 without a counter.

Probably right.

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And giving us an extra free scan? There's no decent reason I can see for doing that, unless they misread the rules.

Also logical .. so this leads you guys to believe Shoveler is lying?
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:39 PM   #737
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If he is lying, it's. Kind of a bad strategy. It'd buy him a Day at best.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:40 PM   #738
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Probably right.



Also logical .. so this leads you guys to believe Shoveler is lying?
Sure. But I'm not lynching him until the actual seer counters.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:42 PM   #739
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Uh huh.

Why are you voting for Autumn?

His D1 was sketchy... first few posts felt forced. Then his votes were all over the place. Probably nothing here but I have a hunch. I'd keep my eye on him... from what I know he may just be crazy enough to pull off that D2 vote.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:43 PM   #740
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If he is lying, it's. Kind of a bad strategy. It'd buy him a Day at best.

Or hoping to lure out the real seer.

Did Chief post anything after his reveal that may have looked like he had reason to doubt the reveal?
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:46 PM   #741
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Autumn definitely knows to be careful about his voting record as a wolf, but it's one thing to bury a vote and another to start a run on a teammate when he could've licked anyone else. And there's also the fact that Raven voted for Autumn bringing him into a tie with Shoveler. If Shoveler was. A villager and Autumn a wolf, that's a very risky move to put your teammate in that kind of danger.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:46 PM   #742
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Yeah, seer fishing is certainly an on the block wolf reveal tactic.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:46 PM   #743
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Autumn definitely knows to be careful about his voting record as a wolf, but it's one thing to bury a vote and another to start a run on a teammate when he could've licked anyone else. And there's also the fact that Raven voted for Autumn bringing him into a tie with Shoveler. If Shoveler was. A villager and Autumn a wolf, that's a very risky move to put your teammate in that kind of danger.

PICKED anyone else...darn you autocorrect
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:47 PM   #744
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But fishing for the Seer in a setup with a Bodyguard-type role is suboptimal, since the Seer is then guaranteed at least one more check and could potentially PoE the fake Seer's buddies.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:47 PM   #745
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Either way I think we are not in bad shape with what we have learned so far.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:47 PM   #746
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No, I think you meant 'licked.' :P
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:48 PM   #747
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licked... lol. That's a stooge technique!
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But fishing for the Seer in a setup with a Bodyguard-type role is suboptimal, since the Seer is then guaranteed at least one more check and could potentially PoE the fake Seer's buddies.

But.. if you convince the BG to guard the fake seer because there's no counter, you have a better shot of killing the real one.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:51 PM   #749
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Okay, Chief posted nothing since the reveal.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:56 PM   #750
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That either means:

1) Shoveler was telling the truth and the wolves misread the rules, thinking he would be protected tonight I could see them going BG hunting and maybe assuming no back to back protection so he would be fair game tomorrow.

2) Shoveler was telling the truth and the wolves wanted to try to make us doubt him. Possible but probably not as likely as we would certainly have a counter if this was fake.

3) Shoveler did a fake reveal hoping to lure out the real seer. Going after someone that hadn't posted since the reveal would mean they didn't see a likely true seer among the group so they went for absent players looking for the real seer.
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