Werewolf CXXIX - Doctor Who and his Trusty Yak - WOLVES WIN - Page 5

Coffee Warlord · 04-04-2011, 06:15 PM

Fixed. As of #200

5: crimsonfox
4: bhlloy
3: ntndeacon
2: saldana
1: EagleFan
1: Tyketime
1: dwardzala

ntndeacon · 04-04-2011, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Vote CrimsonFox

I am a vanilla citizen of a particular age and I do not get double counting lynch votes in my age. It's possible his ability is different, but it's enough of a reason for me to make a vote on day 1.

This is an interesting question at the very least. how similar are the "talents" of vanilla villagers? and does CF's contention make him more powerful in his era than any vanilla villager is in theirs?

ntndeacon · 04-04-2011, 06:19 PM

and CWE I still have 3 it is saldana that is now 2

CrimsonFox · 04-04-2011, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Vote CrimsonFox

I am a vanilla citizen of a particular age and I do not get double counting lynch votes in my age. It's possible his ability is different, but it's enough of a reason for me to make a vote on day 1.

Well if that's true then I am special, though I'm not called anything in particular. But that tells me there is most likely one person in each age that has two votes in their age. These people are all good villagers. If I"m the only one given this I'd be very surprised.

dwardzala · 04-04-2011, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

"I AM!"

does anyone else find Dwarzdala's check in post the least bit alarming...i am used to 20+ "vanilla villager, checking in" posts, but why put the "(mostly)" on the end...might as well paint concentric circles on yourself.

i am not usually one to add another candidate on day one, but that to me feels rather, i wouldnt say desperate, but very much like someone wanting badly to be thought of as a villager/scanned.

vote dwarzdala

I put mostly in because, like every other villager, I have a special power (that I probably will never get to use).

JAG · 04-04-2011, 06:24 PM

A lot of moves, but not sure what to think of things. bhlloy and Saldana reading suspicion into dward's post look the most suspicious to me. CW explicitly said: (bolding mine)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

All roles posted are in the game, among others not posted.

Edit: I won't be AS cagey as that. But yes, all roles are in the game. There is, however, no such thing as a totally vanilla villager. Everyone can do SOMETHING.

I don't see the case for CF or ntn.

Still not sure about voting saldana (probably the more suspicious of the two) yet though. I've been railing against him for two of the past four games (admittedly correctly in both cases). So I'll see if I can look back at the vote flow today and/or see if anything else develops at this point.

dwardzala · 04-04-2011, 06:26 PM

Since Sal's already got some votes (and has aroused JAG's suspicion):

Vote Saldana

CrimsonFox · 04-04-2011, 06:27 PM

That's true, JAG. Everyone can do SOMETHING. Yet Danny claims he can do NOTHING and gets THIS rule wrong as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Keep in mind the age vote is processed before the night deadline, so the age we are in right now does not matter as far as possible scans. When the seer scans we should be safely in the industrial era barring any unforeseen happenings.

ntndeacon · 04-04-2011, 06:29 PM

ok, it is still early enough to make a tie to see what happens. (plus then 2 people are 2 votes ahead of me.)

Vote bhlloy

ntndeacon · 04-04-2011, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

That's true, JAG. Everyone can do SOMETHING. Yet Danny claims he can do NOTHING and gets THIS rule wrong as well.

CF, when did Danny claim he could do nothing. He did claim to not be able to do what you claim to be able to do. However that is NOWHERE near the same thing.

JAG · 04-04-2011, 06:35 PM

The thing is, in all these cases, I'm not sure if people are deliberately misstating things or just misunderstanding a relatively complicated rule set.

CrimsonFox · 04-04-2011, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Vote CrimsonFox

I am a vanilla citizen of a particular age and I do not get double counting lynch votes in my age. It's possible his ability is different, but it's enough of a reason for me to make a vote on day 1.

It sounds like it to me, given this is his reason for voting for me.
If he had some OTHER ability in a particular age, he might say "Hmmmm he can vote twice. I can't vote twice but I do something else. Maybe this is true."
He doesn't say that. He says "I'm a vanilla citizen of a particular age and I don't get what you get in my age....but enough of a reason for me to make a vote"

That's really insinuating the negative. If he had another ability, why not just say that. It would seem that that would do more for clearing me than seeing that I"m guilty.

JAG · 04-04-2011, 06:36 PM

Personally I lean towards simple confusion, of course that currently leaves me with nothing then though.

ntndeacon · 04-04-2011, 06:39 PM

That sounds to me that he is saying he has an ability and it isn't double counting lynch votes. So clearly your possible ability puts you up high.

JAG · 04-04-2011, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Vote Mauboy

Clearly we need yet another one out there. All joking aside, this will change eventually once we have 2 or 3 nominnees for eviction from the time line.

Alright, that post is a bit out there for me.

thejuggler3 · 04-04-2011, 06:46 PM

So I believe we are tied in votes, correct?

Although, I think the chances that the true votes are tied are rather slim...

saldana · 04-04-2011, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

A lot of moves, but not sure what to think of things. bhlloy and Saldana reading suspicion into dward's post look the most suspicious to me. CW explicitly said: (bolding mine)

I don't see the case for CF or ntn.

Still not sure about voting saldana (probably the more suspicious of the two) yet though. I've been railing against him for two of the past four games (admittedly correctly in both cases). So I'll see if I can look back at the vote flow today and/or see if anything else develops at this point.

i took that to mean that everyone at least can become the doctor or his companion

CrimsonFox · 04-04-2011, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

That sounds to me that he is saying he has an ability and it isn't double counting lynch votes. So clearly your possible ability puts you up high.

Huh? Me having an ability makes me high?

Clearly, huh...clearly having an ability makes me a good vote candidate?
clearly saying what ability I have makes me more guilty? clearly having an ability makes me a good person to get rid of? Not sure what this means at all. And I already said I can't use my ability. I"m not modern.

ntndeacon · 04-04-2011, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Alright, that post is a bit out there for me.

Jag, it was me being funny, and my way of putting a initial vote in a humorous way

ntndeacon · 04-04-2011, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Huh? Me having an ability makes me high?

Clearly, huh...clearly having an ability makes me a good vote candidate?
clearly saying what ability I have makes me more guilty? clearly having an ability makes me a good person to get rid of? Not sure what this means at all. And I already said I can't use my ability. I"m not modern.

you having a different ability makes you a man of concern at the very least. and high on a list of people to look at. Clearly a difference is worth looking at.

Coffee Warlord · 04-04-2011, 07:00 PM

60 minutes till deadline.

Danny · 04-04-2011, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

It sounds like it to me, given this is his reason for voting for me.
If he had some OTHER ability in a particular age, he might say "Hmmmm he can vote twice. I can't vote twice but I do something else. Maybe this is true."
He doesn't say that. He says "I'm a vanilla citizen of a particular age and I don't get what you get in my age....but enough of a reason for me to make a vote"

That's really insinuating the negative. If he had another ability, why not just say that. It would seem that that would do more for clearing me than seeing that I"m guilty.

Unvote Crimsonfox

I can buy this, and given more thought, I'm not sure if you were just a wolf you would have risked giving details of your ability.

Danny · 04-04-2011, 07:02 PM

Guys. also after rereading my ability, I think I can buy more so that Crimson got a double vote ability.

Danny · 04-04-2011, 07:03 PM

Vote ntndeacon

ntn was quick to latch on to my theory and I find that is very often a wolf play.

JAG · 04-04-2011, 07:03 PM

Vote bhlloy

Alright, kind of convoluted, but CR's reasoning for his vote seemed off to me. So I asked myself who he was trying to get some distance from with his vote of CrimsonFox and bhlloy seems to be the most likely option. If bhlloy turns up wolf, I would be interested in pursuing CR tomorrow.

Danny · 04-04-2011, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

That's true, JAG. Everyone can do SOMETHING. Yet Danny claims he can do NOTHING and gets THIS rule wrong as well.

I did miss this post though. I never claimed I could do nothing. Now I am rethinking my vote change.

Coffee Warlord · 04-04-2011, 07:05 PM

#226

6: bhlloy
4: crimsonfox
4: ntndeacon
3: saldana
1: EagleFan
1: Tyketime
1: dwardzala

saldana · 04-04-2011, 07:08 PM

i find myself in an unwinnable situation with my vote at this point...if i leave it where it is, someone will say i am wasting it, if i move it to bhlloy, someone will say i am piling on, and if i got to CF or NTN, someone will say i am protecting bhlloy

someone will most likely be JAG in all three cases

JAG · 04-04-2011, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

i find myself in an unwinnable situation with my vote at this point...if i leave it where it is, someone will say i am wasting it, if i move it to bhlloy, someone will say i am piling on, and if i got to CF or NTN, someone will say i am protecting bhlloy

someone will most likely be JAG in all three cases

I laughed.

bhlloy · 04-04-2011, 07:14 PM

If I'm going down tell me you'll look back at post #169 and either go after juggler or CF tomorrow.

thejuggler3 · 04-04-2011, 07:15 PM

Just noticed that the last three votes (ntndeacon, Danny, and JAG's) switched the vote off of Crimson and onto bhlloy (2 votes on bhlloy and one off Crimson). I'll let smarter minds figure out if that is meaningful, but seemed a bit odd.

CrimsonFox · 04-04-2011, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I did miss this post though. I never claimed I could do nothing. Now I am rethinking my vote change.

YOu were inferring that because of using that as your vote reasoning. So that's what I got out of your statement.

saldana · 04-04-2011, 07:16 PM

unvote dwarzdala
vote crimsonfox

Danny · 04-04-2011, 07:16 PM

I am considering going back to crimson

Danny · 04-04-2011, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

YOu were inferring that because of using that as your vote reasoning. So that's what I got out of your statement.

Not even close

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Vote CrimsonFox

I am a vanilla citizen of a particular age and I do not get double counting lynch votes in my age. It's possible his ability is different, but it's enough of a reason for me to make a vote on day 1.

Notice the "it's possible his ability is different". That clearly is inferring I have an ability which is different from what you claim.

thejuggler3 · 04-04-2011, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

If I'm going down tell me you'll look back at post #169 and either go after juggler or CF tomorrow.

Booo, bhlloy! Made my post below yours before reading this. Now if I switch, looks bad

Danny · 04-04-2011, 07:19 PM

Unvote Ntndeacon
Vote Crimsonfox\

His persistence on sticking with an obvious invalid point, even after I changed is not helping his case.

bhlloy · 04-04-2011, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thejuggler3

Just noticed that the last three votes (ntndeacon, Danny, and JAG's) switched the vote off of Crimson and onto bhlloy (2 votes on bhlloy and one off Crimson). I'll let smarter minds figure out if that is meaningful, but seemed a bit odd.

But your not going to do anything about it right? Just more vague stuff you can point to when your key vote looks really bad in 2-3 days. Put some distance between you and CF after you linked the two of you earlier.

Coffee Warlord · 04-04-2011, 07:21 PM

#237

6: bhlloy
6: crimsonfox
3: ntndeacon
3: saldana
1: EagleFan
1: Tyketime

thejuggler3 · 04-04-2011, 07:21 PM

What the heck. Don't care if I look bad. If it turns out Crimson is a wolf, we have really good leads on who other wolves are from vote shifting.

Don't see us learning as much from bhlloy.

UNVOTE bhlloy
VOTE CrimsonFox

thejuggler3 · 04-04-2011, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

But your not going to do anything about it right? Just more vague stuff you can point to when your key vote looks really bad in 2-3 days. Put some distance between you and CF after you linked the two of you earlier.

We keep passing each others' posts

Just broke the tie. Although now, if he's a villager, will really raise my suspicion of you, but have to go with my gut. The quick switch from Crimson made me too suspicious.

bhlloy · 04-04-2011, 07:24 PM

Well that throws the cat well and truly among the pigeons lol. If you are willing to stick with that I don't feel so good about CF anymore.

meh... either way we're going to get some really good voting history today. This is the best day 1 I've seen in terms of vote movement for a while.

CrimsonFox · 04-04-2011, 07:25 PM

I'm answering your question Danny and I JUST read it. NOpt an invalid point at all. I said it before if you have another ability and not double votes, why not say that. No, you said you were a vanilla citizen of a certain age without double votes. that statement says to me "inferring you have no abilities" since that's what I define as vanilla.

So no not an invalid point at all but that's where I take it you were saying you can do "nothing".

Danny · 04-04-2011, 07:27 PM

But that's completely ignoring the second half of my post

Danny · 04-04-2011, 07:28 PM

And I worded it the way I did cause I have no interest in cluing the wolves onto exactly what my ability is, which you had no trouble doing which also seems odd.

JAG · 04-04-2011, 07:33 PM

Yeah, in the end, I think I'm reasonably satisfied with the top vote getters as candidates, which is unusual for a D1.

saldana · 04-04-2011, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

And I worded it the way I did cause I have no interest in cluing the wolves onto exactly what my ability is, which you had no trouble doing which also seems odd.

i agree with this concept from Danny

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Well if that's true then I am special, though I'm not called anything in particular. But that tells me there is most likely one person in each age that has two votes in their age. These people are all good villagers. If I"m the only one given this I'd be very surprised.

and for what its worth, my reason for choosing CF was the bolded part above (bold mine)...thats a very sweeping assumption to make which makes me very uneasy, as if he is setting up for other people to be able to make a similar claim later on.

Autumn · 04-04-2011, 07:36 PM

CrimsonFox is certainly doing plenty to get his share of attention, but i read that as his normal MO. I don't really see him coming out with a fake role so quickly if he's a wolf. And what he revealed sounds right, it's a pretty good fake if it is one. I would guess this is typical day one, chase after someone who says the wrong words, while the wolves sit back.

CrimsonFox · 04-04-2011, 07:37 PM

I see. Fair enough. But to me, that statment could go either way considering it was surrounded by statements to the contrary. I didn't ignore the second half of your statment, but what you're saying now doesn't mean to me "I'm a vanilla villager" (which you did say)

CrimsonFox · 04-04-2011, 07:37 PM

Yes I am assuming that all people that are citizens of a certain age are all good. That is NOT a bad assumption.

04-04-2011, 06:15 PM	#201
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Fixed. As of #200 5: crimsonfox 4: bhlloy 3: ntndeacon 2: saldana 1: EagleFan 1: Tyketime 1: dwardzala Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 04-04-2011 at 06:24 PM.

04-04-2011, 06:46 PM	#216
thejuggler3 Mascot Join Date: Dec 2010	So I believe we are tied in votes, correct? Although, I think the chances that the true votes are tied are rather slim... __________________ "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain, and most fools do." - Benjamin Franklin

04-04-2011, 07:05 PM	#227
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	#226 6: bhlloy 4: crimsonfox 4: ntndeacon 3: saldana 1: EagleFan 1: Tyketime 1: dwardzala Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 04-04-2011 at 07:05 PM.

04-04-2011, 07:15 PM	#231
thejuggler3 Mascot Join Date: Dec 2010	Just noticed that the last three votes (ntndeacon, Danny, and JAG's) switched the vote off of Crimson and onto bhlloy (2 votes on bhlloy and one off Crimson). I'll let smarter minds figure out if that is meaningful, but seemed a bit odd. __________________ "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain, and most fools do." - Benjamin Franklin

04-04-2011, 07:21 PM	#240
thejuggler3 Mascot Join Date: Dec 2010	What the heck. Don't care if I look bad. If it turns out Crimson is a wolf, we have really good leads on who other wolves are from vote shifting. Don't see us learning as much from bhlloy. UNVOTE bhlloy VOTE CrimsonFox __________________ "Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain, and most fools do." - Benjamin Franklin

04-04-2011, 06:19 PM	#203
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	and CWE I still have 3 it is saldana that is now 2

04-04-2011, 06:26 PM	#207
dwardzala H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2004	Since Sal's already got some votes (and has aroused JAG's suspicion): Vote Saldana

04-04-2011, 06:29 PM	#209
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	ok, it is still early enough to make a tie to see what happens. (plus then 2 people are 2 votes ahead of me.) Vote bhlloy

04-04-2011, 06:35 PM	#211
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	The thing is, in all these cases, I'm not sure if people are deliberately misstating things or just misunderstanding a relatively complicated rule set.

04-04-2011, 06:36 PM	#213
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Personally I lean towards simple confusion, of course that currently leaves me with nothing then though.

04-04-2011, 06:39 PM	#214
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	That sounds to me that he is saying he has an ability and it isn't double counting lynch votes. So clearly your possible ability puts you up high.

04-04-2011, 07:00 PM	#221
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	60 minutes till deadline.

04-04-2011, 07:02 PM	#223
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Guys. also after rereading my ability, I think I can buy more so that Crimson got a double vote ability.

04-04-2011, 07:03 PM	#224
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Vote ntndeacon ntn was quick to latch on to my theory and I find that is very often a wolf play.

04-04-2011, 07:03 PM	#225
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Vote bhlloy Alright, kind of convoluted, but CR's reasoning for his vote seemed off to me. So I asked myself who he was trying to get some distance from with his vote of CrimsonFox and bhlloy seems to be the most likely option. If bhlloy turns up wolf, I would be interested in pursuing CR tomorrow.

04-04-2011, 07:08 PM	#228
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	i find myself in an unwinnable situation with my vote at this point...if i leave it where it is, someone will say i am wasting it, if i move it to bhlloy, someone will say i am piling on, and if i got to CF or NTN, someone will say i am protecting bhlloy someone will most likely be JAG in all three cases

04-04-2011, 07:14 PM	#230
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	If I'm going down tell me you'll look back at post #169 and either go after juggler or CF tomorrow.

04-04-2011, 07:16 PM	#233
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	unvote dwarzdala vote crimsonfox

04-04-2011, 07:16 PM	#234
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I am considering going back to crimson

04-04-2011, 07:19 PM	#237
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Unvote Ntndeacon Vote Crimsonfox\ His persistence on sticking with an obvious invalid point, even after I changed is not helping his case.

04-04-2011, 07:21 PM	#239
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	#237 6: bhlloy 6: crimsonfox 3: ntndeacon 3: saldana 1: EagleFan 1: Tyketime

04-04-2011, 07:24 PM	#242
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Well that throws the cat well and truly among the pigeons lol. If you are willing to stick with that I don't feel so good about CF anymore. meh... either way we're going to get some really good voting history today. This is the best day 1 I've seen in terms of vote movement for a while.

04-04-2011, 07:25 PM	#243
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I'm answering your question Danny and I JUST read it. NOpt an invalid point at all. I said it before if you have another ability and not double votes, why not say that. No, you said you were a vanilla citizen of a certain age without double votes. that statement says to me "inferring you have no abilities" since that's what I define as vanilla. So no not an invalid point at all but that's where I take it you were saying you can do "nothing".

04-04-2011, 07:27 PM	#244
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	But that's completely ignoring the second half of my post

04-04-2011, 07:28 PM	#245
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	And I worded it the way I did cause I have no interest in cluing the wolves onto exactly what my ability is, which you had no trouble doing which also seems odd.

04-04-2011, 07:33 PM	#246
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Yeah, in the end, I think I'm reasonably satisfied with the top vote getters as candidates, which is unusual for a D1.

04-04-2011, 07:36 PM	#248
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	CrimsonFox is certainly doing plenty to get his share of attention, but i read that as his normal MO. I don't really see him coming out with a fake role so quickly if he's a wolf. And what he revealed sounds right, it's a pretty good fake if it is one. I would guess this is typical day one, chase after someone who says the wrong words, while the wolves sit back.

04-04-2011, 07:37 PM	#249
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I see. Fair enough. But to me, that statment could go either way considering it was surrounded by statements to the contrary. I didn't ignore the second half of your statment, but what you're saying now doesn't mean to me "I'm a vanilla villager" (which you did say)

04-04-2011, 07:37 PM	#250
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Yes I am assuming that all people that are citizens of a certain age are all good. That is NOT a bad assumption.

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