OOTP: Greatest Player I've Ever Seen.

[Ben E Lou]

I ran an overnight sim using the NABA setup that had the most incredible outlier I've ever seen. The .380 mark was broken 16 times in 77 seasons. That's something that I'd look at initially and be concerned that it's way too high. However, it's not as heinous when one looks a little deeper and realizes that the same guy did it ELEVEN of those times. In literally thousands of seasons of test simming with OOTP9, I've never seen anyone anywhere near this guy. And keep in mind that in the NABA, stats are quite a bit lower than 2008 standards. To put his numbers in perspective:

MacIntyre Career Average: .3725
Second-Best Career Average: .3374

MacIntyre Career Slugging: .6789
Second-Best Career Average: .6222

MacIntyre Career RBI: 2663
Second-Best Career RBI: 2151

In other words, there was Jason MacIntyre, and then there was everyone else. Consider this: from age 22 to age 38, he won 16 of 17 possible MVPs.

Career Batting Stats

Year/Team/League Age G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS VORP 2022 Toronto - NABA 21 135 390 131 6 3 21 66 58 38 2 1 55 0 2 .336 .397 .528 .925 35.3 2023 Toronto - NABA 22 157 613 220 34 2 42 123 116 66 2 10 102 1 2 .359 .417 .626 1.043 88.1 2024 Toronto - NABA 23 155 620 224 38 9 56 142 130 70 2 4 93 0 1 .361 .425 .723 1.148 115.1 2025 Toronto - NABA 24 156 601 224 40 5 45 132 108 84 9 8 86 0 2 .373 .452 .681 1.132 116.5 2026 Toronto - NABA 25 156 607 225 27 8 51 144 120 94 5 10 58 1 5 .371 .453 .694 1.146 118.9 2027 Toronto - NABA 26 158 581 238 45 5 50 150 124 111 2 9 68 2 4 .410 .499 .762 1.262 154.6 2028 Toronto - NABA 27 158 562 248 40 6 62 159 142 130 3 4 58 1 1 .441 .545 .865 1.410 195.6 2029 Mexico City - NABA 28 157 576 225 33 5 55 160 141 137 2 9 52 1 3 .391 .503 .752 1.254 151.2 2030 Mexico City - NABA 29 159 585 243 42 5 52 164 126 128 2 10 68 2 2 .415 .514 .771 1.285 166.9 2031 Mexico City - NABA 30 159 573 218 37 5 56 164 136 130 6 10 52 4 0 .380 .492 .756 1.248 148.7 2032 Mexico City - NABA 31 159 545 209 47 8 53 143 134 160 4 6 60 1 5 .383 .522 .791 1.313 157.0 2033 Mexico City - NABA 32 160 578 221 38 4 50 138 127 148 3 5 73 1 1 .382 .507 .721 1.228 143.8 2034 Mexico City - NABA 33 160 510 213 37 4 56 144 144 200 2 7 45 1 2 .418 .577 .835 1.412 191.2 2035 Mexico City - NABA 34 160 544 196 32 10 30 118 121 178 2 8 64 1 0 .360 .514 .621 1.135 115.1 2036 Mexico City - NABA 35 160 539 205 32 6 45 121 124 194 0 6 54 3 1 .380 .540 .712 1.252 147.1 2037 Mexico City - NABA 36 162 513 186 30 6 42 123 120 204 1 11 76 2 5 .363 .536 .690 1.226 135.7 2038 Mexico City - NABA 37 160 518 207 37 5 43 139 135 213 1 12 57 1 1 .400 .566 .739 1.305 168.4 2039 Mexico City - NABA 38 160 533 206 39 4 35 119 115 190 1 4 76 1 3 .386 .545 .672 1.217 139.5 2040 Mexico City - NABA 39 161 510 173 26 1 25 88 112 201 5 5 89 2 3 .339 .526 .541 1.067 94.7 2041 Mexico City - NABA 40 158 439 125 12 1 7 46 87 186 1 5 103 0 0 .285 .494 .364 .859 39.2 2042 Mexico City - NABA 41 161 454 118 19 0 3 62 64 137 1 6 108 0 2 .260 .428 .322 .750 1.0 2043 Mexico City - NABA 42 111 151 44 3 1 0 18 17 41 1 1 27 1 0 .291 .443 .325 .768 3.3 Total NABA 3422 11542 4299 694 103 879 2663 2501 3040 57 151 1524 26 45 .372 .500 .679 1.179 2627.0

[Ben E Lou]

OK. Here's another crazy number for him. I just checked the HoF and looked at career VORP. He's at 2627, and #2 is 1572.9. Apart from #s 2-4 of all-time, you can add up any TWO HoF players' VORP, and the total would be less than that of MacIntyre.

[Ksyrup]

He's Wayne Gretzky!

On a related note, one issue I have with OOTP is that there are way too many "super players" - guys who hit for high average and for power. There are far too many Triple Crown winners in OOTP leagues, and on average, way too many guys who are in the top 10 in HR who also have lifetime BAs well over .300. Just something I've noticed.

[Celeval]

.441/62/159

The year before he left Toronto!

That's the kind of player that fantasy baseball leagues would have to take completely out of the draft pool.

[Young Drachma]

I love how he avoided American teams, too.

[MizzouRah]

He hit over 0.400 5 times... WOW!

[MizzouRah]

You know, I'm staying with my fictional MLB league.. my numbers don't seem so "off" after looking at this guy.

Great stuff though!

[Ben E Lou]

Well, the thing about this guy isn't just the eye-popping numbers; it's the eye-popping numbers in a lower offensive environment. I'm guessing that a 100/100/100 player generated in the MLB environment could approach 80 HR in a season.

[Young Drachma]

I like seeing players like this, though. Makes scouring the history worth it.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Well, the thing about this guy isn't just the eye-popping numbers; it's the eye-popping numbers in a lower offensive environment. I'm guessing that a 100/100/100 player generated in the MLB environment could approach 80 HR in a season.

I have a guy who hit 73 last year in my league.. definitely more in line with the "steriod" area.. but it's only a small sample as my league is only 5 years old.

Year/Team/League	Age	G	AB	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	R	BB	HP	SF	K	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	VORP
2008 Toronto - ML	21	163	627	192	23	2	52	144	135	93	4	11	100	1	1	.306	.393	.598	.991	67.3
2009 Toronto - ML	22	152	568	148	24	2	41	101	90	88	7	4	118	0	0	.261	.364	.526	.891	35.5
2010 Toronto - ML	23	160	598	207	24	2	61	144	130	99	4	10	100	0	4	.346	.436	.699	1.135	110.6
2011 Toronto - ML	24	161	633	215	27	1	73	202	150	100	2	7	74	0	0	.340	.427	.731	1.159	122.7

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I ran an overnight sim using the NABA setup that had the most incredible outlier I've ever seen. The .380 mark was broken 16 times in 77 seasons. That's something that I'd look at initially and be concerned that it's way too high. However, it's not as heinous when one looks a little deeper and realizes that the same guy did it ELEVEN of those times. In literally thousands of seasons of test simming with OOTP9, I've never seen anyone anywhere near this guy. And keep in mind that in the NABA, stats are quite a bit lower than 2008 standards. To put his numbers in perspective:

MacIntyre Career Average: .3725
Second-Best Career Average: .3374

MacIntyre Career Slugging: .6789
Second-Best Career Average: .6222

MacIntyre Career RBI: 2663
Second-Best Career RBI: 2151

In other words, there was Jason MacIntyre, and then there was everyone else. Consider this: from age 22 to age 38, he won 16 of 17 possible MVPs.

Wow... I've never seen such a dominant player before. Reminds me of Babe Ruth in his prime.

[kingnebwsu]

.441/62/159
OBP of .545

That would far & away be the best offensive season in baseball history.

That's just insane.

Ben, how did his teams fare?

[Ben E Lou]

Don't know. That was a test career. I'm not even certain I have it. Like I said, I've run literally thousands of test seasons, and a few dozen careers.

[molson]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

You know, I'm staying with my fictional MLB league.. my numbers don't seem so "off" after looking at this guy.

Great stuff though!

I think something you have to remember whenever you see something "off" in any text sim is that, through message boards and our own experiences, we have access to thousands and thousands of seasons. If the real MLB was played out over thta many seasons, we'd surely see several players like that come around.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by molson

I think something you have to remember whenever you see something "off" in any text sim is that, through message boards and our own experiences, we have access to thousands and thousands of seasons. If the real MLB was played out over thta many seasons, we'd surely see several players like that come around.

True.. I just saw my big seasons already early in my universe, but I think people have reported that in the forums over at ootpdev.

[Ksyrup]

That's why Ben simmed 25 years in the NABA, deleted the history, and then picked up with the NABA history in 1976. That league is actually older, but he threw out the players that were created with the game because they tend to be a lot better than the players created thereafter.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That's why Ben simmed 25 years in the NABA, deleted the history, and then picked up with the NABA history in 1976. That league is actually older, but he threw out the players that were created with the game because they tend to be a lot better than the players created thereafter.

I just consider this one guy in my universe.. a Babe Ruth type fella.

[Sgran]

At age 37 he hit exactly .400.

[fantom1979]

Old thread, but I just noticed looking at this guy that despite the fact that he was so dominate, he only beat Pete Rose's hit record by 43.

EDIT: But I also just noticed that this guy had 3000 walks, which was just about twice as many as Rose had.

[BYU 14]

I started a historical sim in 1876 and had a picture win 812 games Things liik real good from 1901 forward in OOTP 10, but averages and wins are still inflated in the 1800s, tough to really get balance there.

[Ramzavail]

never had a guy like this in my NABA league