Who wins House Speaker? - Page 3

albionmoonlight · 10-15-2023, 01:52 PM

Prediction on the "informal" deal:

The Dems "get" Ukraine and Israel funding--which is what most GOP want anyway.

In exchange, the GOP will get some real concessions from the Dems.

And the media publish the bunch of bothsides-are-dysfunctional-so-no-wonder-people-miss-Trump stories that they have queued up.

Atocep · 10-15-2023, 06:59 PM

So Jordan is going to go against the agreement and force a floor vote because he thinks the pressure will push people to his side. He's also reportedly ready to have another McCarthy-like vote and go as many votes as it takes.

I really hope the dems and moderate GOPs can come together on something.

Edward64 · 10-15-2023, 08:10 PM

Tue noon.

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House speaker vote to be held Tuesday at noon, Democratic Rep. Clark says

bronconick · 10-15-2023, 08:17 PM

They'll cave to him. It's what "moderate Republicans" do.

Edward64 · 10-16-2023, 07:10 AM

This should be interesting (if true) ...

Jordan to face a challenger in floor vote Tuesday - Live Updates - POLITICO

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A faction of Republicans that strongly opposes Jim Jordan is vowing he'll have a challenger during the House floor speakership vote on Tuesday, according to two House Republicans familiar with the planning.

Wonder who this person is ...

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While they have not yet nailed down a specific name, they believe the person they ultimately land on will not only be able block Jordan from the speakership, but also give cover to those who want to vote against him. The challenger will certainly take arrows from the far-right flank of the conference, which is pushing hard for Jordan.

CrimsonFox · 10-16-2023, 08:48 AM

LIZ CHENEY! IT'S LIZ CHENEY!

Ksyrup · 10-16-2023, 09:22 AM

Reading some stuff from Bulwark about this, I have my doubts that THIS is going to be the line in the sand that certain members finally grow a backbone and stand up to the Trump harassment. They shared an email multiple members of the NO JORDAN group got from Hannity's staff pressuring them to accept him, and it appears the tactic is to simply use the right-wing media to bully them into accepting Jordan, lest they upset their Trumper constituents.

I would love to believe they can withstand this, but something tells me they won't. The only thing that gives me hope is that they've been willing to allow these clowns to parade around in the background and cause a mess from relatively weak positions. But putting one in power basically breaks the dam. But then again... TRUMP, so...

JPhillips · 10-16-2023, 09:24 AM

Mike Rogers was a no to Jordan, but now has declared he's a yes. I'd be very surprised if this even gets to a second ballot. Jordan is the next speaker.

Ksyrup · 10-16-2023, 09:28 AM

Right, because "do it for the party" definitely means more than "do it for the country."

Brian Swartz · 10-16-2023, 10:29 AM

Practically speaking, there's not much difference between those two concepts for most people.

GrantDawg · 10-16-2023, 12:27 PM

Moderates are generally moderates because they are easily bought. It looks like all the dissenters are getting paid off one by one. The Radical Right only payoff is tv time.

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JPhillips · 10-16-2023, 04:01 PM

Ann Wagner went from a Hell No to a yes for Jordan. The GOP is fully behind the insurrection.

albionmoonlight · 10-16-2023, 04:05 PM

What will be funny is when Jordan gets the exact same budget deal that McCarthy would have gotten, but MAGA praises him for it because he's Jordan.

JPhillips · 10-16-2023, 04:08 PM

Mike Lawler is ready to vote for Jordan.

He's going to win unanimously tomorrow.

Start making plans for the inevitable shutdown next month.

Atocep · 10-16-2023, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Mike Lawler is ready to vote for Jordan.

He's going to win unanimously tomorrow.

Start making plans for the inevitable shutdown next month.

I'm wondering if Trump pushes them to hold out until Biden passes him as president for the longest shutdown.

RainMaker · 10-16-2023, 04:23 PM

The party has a type. Incredibly creepy wrestling coaches.

RainMaker · 10-16-2023, 04:24 PM

Is Mace voting for him? Despite her being nuts and desperate for attention, she is actually one of the most moderate members. Was funny when she voted against McCarthy.

GrantDawg · 10-16-2023, 04:26 PM

That is a solid theory Atocep and definitely in line with the Republican pettiness. Just like I still fully believe they are hoping for 3 articles of impeachment. It doesn't look like they will get it, but then who knows? The moderates caved here.

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JPhillips · 10-16-2023, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

The party has a type. Incredibly creepy wrestling coaches.

At least last time they didn't know about the sexual abuse scandal.

And yes, Mace is for Jordan.

The 2024 election is bound to be fucked with.

Atocep · 10-16-2023, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Is Mace voting for him? Despite her being nuts and desperate for attention, she is actually one of the most moderate members. Was funny when she voted against McCarthy.

She was on board for Jordan from the beginning of this.

bronconick · 10-16-2023, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

She was on board for Jordan from the beginning of this.

McCarthy wouldn't do enough for sexual abuse survivors, so Mace is backing...Jim Jordan. Hah.

RainMaker · 10-16-2023, 05:56 PM

Not sure if it's ever been officially reported but it's an open secret that Mace had an affair with McCarthy when she got to DC. Guessing this is the wrath of an ex.

Edward64 · 10-17-2023, 11:43 AM

WSJ has a live feed …

Someone is giving a speech blah blah blah. Let’s just get to the vote!

GrantDawg · 10-17-2023, 12:05 PM

Buck doesn't vote, which screams to me that he eventually will. He just wants his cut. None of these guys have any real backbone.

GrantDawg · 10-17-2023, 12:09 PM

First non-congressperson voted for was Lee Zeldin.

GrantDawg · 10-17-2023, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

First non-congressperson voted for was Lee Zeldin.

And funny enough, he had endorsed Jim Jordan just today. Such a weird pull for a vote.

Jas_lov · 10-17-2023, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Buck doesn't vote, which screams to me that he eventually will. He just wants his cut. None of these guys have any real backbone.

Probably just spineless and waiting to see how many votes were against Jordan before voting later. There's already 6 against Jordan.

Galaril · 10-17-2023, 12:37 PM

So 20 have voted against Jordan.

Edward64 · 10-17-2023, 12:37 PM

So tell me again why they can’t have electronic voting?

Each persons vote shown on a big screen above the ‘in God we trust’?

Galaril · 10-17-2023, 12:42 PM

So there is 435 reps Jefferies is at 211 and Jordan is at 199 with 16 votes going to other guys. That means 9 votes left. What am I missing?

Galaril · 10-17-2023, 12:43 PM

Is there a minimum that is required and not just the most votes?

Edward64 · 10-17-2023, 12:44 PM

Others = 20 is a nice number

albionmoonlight · 10-17-2023, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Is there a minimum that is required and not just the most votes?

Yes. Has to be a majority of those present. Which is why Jefferies won't get it even with the plurality of votes.

bronconick · 10-17-2023, 12:46 PM

Congrats to Hakeem Jeffries for his 12th plurality in 16 speaker elections this year!

albionmoonlight · 10-17-2023, 12:47 PM

Just pick a normal Republican who will agree to let bills with bipartisan support reach the floor for an up or down vote. You'd get Dems on board with that.

bronconick · 10-17-2023, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Just pick a normal Republican who will agree to let bills with bipartisan support reach the floor for an up or down vote. You'd get Dems on board with that.

They all quit, bowed to MAGA or got primaried. Hell, Stefanik was "normal" like 2-3 years ago. Now she made a wrestling quip to nominate Jordan.

Ghost Econ · 10-17-2023, 12:55 PM

It's like saying just date a normal Kardashian.

Atocep · 10-17-2023, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

They all quit, bowed to MAGA or got primaried. Hell, Stefanik was "normal" like 2-3 years ago. Now she made a wrestling quip to nominate Jordan.

Stefanik is a great example of what a current republican is. She doesn't really have her own stance on anything. She goes which ever way the GOP wind is blowing and right now it's MAGA so she went from Paul Ryan understudy to Trumper overnight essentially.

Ksyrup · 10-17-2023, 01:09 PM

At least they rejected him once!

GrantDawg · 10-17-2023, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

At least they rejected him once!

There are at least 3 Reps (all from Florida of all places) that swear they will never vote for Jordan no matter what. Of course that might all be a play for more promises, but if they are telling the truth Jordan can never win.

GrantDawg · 10-17-2023, 01:41 PM

Live video feed from inside the House GOP meeting: pic.twitter.com/81LIOE9Zrw — Langdon Grant (@langdongrant2) October 17, 2023

Ksyrup · 10-17-2023, 01:41 PM

And Ken Buck is out there giving interviews saying the same thing.

Ksyrup · 10-17-2023, 01:42 PM

Win McNamee/Getty Images pic.twitter.com/SGJCjKOe9o
— bryan metzger (@metzgov) October 17, 2023

GrantDawg · 10-17-2023, 01:50 PM

If this is true, it just gets worse for Jordan. I still believe the moderates fold, but if not the the Jordan camp misplayed this bad.
“I personally know 5 will change their votes from yes to no on second round. That’s what they told me. This will get worse,” one House member tells me just now. — Olivia Beavers (@Olivia_Beavers) October 17, 2023

Ksyrup · 10-17-2023, 01:52 PM

Squares with this:

Senior GOP source believes House will vote for Speaker again today. But not soon. Believes Jordan will pick up some votes. But lose others. I asked if it would be a wash. “Yes” was the response
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) October 17, 2023

Atocep · 10-17-2023, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

If this is true, it just gets worse for Jordan. I still believe the moderates fold, but if not the the Jordan camp misplayed this bad.
“I personally know 5 will change their votes from yes to no on second round. That’s what they told me. This will get worse,” one House member tells me just now. — Olivia Beavers (@Olivia_Beavers) October 17, 2023

If Jordan somehow fails then Gaetz misplayed this badly as well.

GrantDawg · 10-17-2023, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

If Jordan somehow fails then Gaetz misplayed this badly as well.

I don't think so. Chaos is the point for Gaetz.

Thomkal · 10-17-2023, 01:58 PM

Man I would laugh all day if he ends up with less votes this time around.

bronconick · 10-17-2023, 02:00 PM

This was the worst defeat for a Jordan since Game 7 of the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals.

Atocep · 10-17-2023, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't think so. Chaos is the point for Gaetz.

If it pushes the GOP to Dems to finally elect a speaker, which I think it might, then it's a fail for Gaetz. He loses all power to create chaos at that point.

View Poll Results: Who wins House Speaker?
Jordan	6	23.08%
Scalise	4	15.38%
McCarthy	2	7.69%
Jeffries	1	3.85%
Trout	13	50.00%
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10-16-2023, 09:22 AM	#107
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Reading some stuff from Bulwark about this, I have my doubts that THIS is going to be the line in the sand that certain members finally grow a backbone and stand up to the Trump harassment. They shared an email multiple members of the NO JORDAN group got from Hannity's staff pressuring them to accept him, and it appears the tactic is to simply use the right-wing media to bully them into accepting Jordan, lest they upset their Trumper constituents. I would love to believe they can withstand this, but something tells me they won't. The only thing that gives me hope is that they've been willing to allow these clowns to parade around in the background and cause a mess from relatively weak positions. But putting one in power basically breaks the dam. But then again... TRUMP, so... __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 10-16-2023 at 09:23 AM.

10-16-2023, 09:24 AM	#108
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Mike Rogers was a no to Jordan, but now has declared he's a yes. I'd be very surprised if this even gets to a second ballot. Jordan is the next speaker. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

10-16-2023, 09:28 AM	#109
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Right, because "do it for the party" definitely means more than "do it for the country." __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-16-2023, 04:01 PM	#112
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Ann Wagner went from a Hell No to a yes for Jordan. The GOP is fully behind the insurrection. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

10-15-2023, 01:52 PM	#101
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Prediction on the "informal" deal: The Dems "get" Ukraine and Israel funding--which is what most GOP want anyway. In exchange, the GOP will get some real concessions from the Dems. And the media publish the bunch of bothsides-are-dysfunctional-so-no-wonder-people-miss-Trump stories that they have queued up.

10-15-2023, 06:59 PM	#102
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	So Jordan is going to go against the agreement and force a floor vote because he thinks the pressure will push people to his side. He's also reportedly ready to have another McCarthy-like vote and go as many votes as it takes. I really hope the dems and moderate GOPs can come together on something.

10-15-2023, 08:17 PM	#104
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	They'll cave to him. It's what "moderate Republicans" do.

10-16-2023, 08:48 AM	#106
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	LIZ CHENEY! IT'S LIZ CHENEY!

10-16-2023, 10:29 AM	#110
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Practically speaking, there's not much difference between those two concepts for most people.

10-16-2023, 12:27 PM	#111
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Moderates are generally moderates because they are easily bought. It looks like all the dissenters are getting paid off one by one. The Radical Right only payoff is tv time. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk

10-16-2023, 04:05 PM	#113
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	What will be funny is when Jordan gets the exact same budget deal that McCarthy would have gotten, but MAGA praises him for it because he's Jordan.

10-16-2023, 04:08 PM	#114
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Mike Lawler is ready to vote for Jordan. He's going to win unanimously tomorrow. Start making plans for the inevitable shutdown next month. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

10-16-2023, 04:23 PM	#116
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	The party has a type. Incredibly creepy wrestling coaches.

10-16-2023, 04:24 PM	#117
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Is Mace voting for him? Despite her being nuts and desperate for attention, she is actually one of the most moderate members. Was funny when she voted against McCarthy.

10-16-2023, 04:26 PM	#118
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	That is a solid theory Atocep and definitely in line with the Republican pettiness. Just like I still fully believe they are hoping for 3 articles of impeachment. It doesn't look like they will get it, but then who knows? The moderates caved here. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 10-16-2023 at 04:27 PM.

10-16-2023, 05:56 PM	#122
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Not sure if it's ever been officially reported but it's an open secret that Mace had an affair with McCarthy when she got to DC. Guessing this is the wrath of an ex.

10-17-2023, 11:43 AM	#123
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	WSJ has a live feed … Someone is giving a speech blah blah blah. Let’s just get to the vote!

10-17-2023, 12:05 PM	#124
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Buck doesn't vote, which screams to me that he eventually will. He just wants his cut. None of these guys have any real backbone.

10-17-2023, 12:09 PM	#125
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	First non-congressperson voted for was Lee Zeldin.

10-17-2023, 12:37 PM	#128
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	So 20 have voted against Jordan. Last edited by Galaril : 10-17-2023 at 12:43 PM.

10-17-2023, 12:37 PM	#129
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	So tell me again why they can’t have electronic voting? Each persons vote shown on a big screen above the ‘in God we trust’?

10-17-2023, 12:42 PM	#130
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	So there is 435 reps Jefferies is at 211 and Jordan is at 199 with 16 votes going to other guys. That means 9 votes left. What am I missing?

10-17-2023, 12:43 PM	#131
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Is there a minimum that is required and not just the most votes?

10-17-2023, 12:44 PM	#132
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Others = 20 is a nice number

10-17-2023, 12:46 PM	#134
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Congrats to Hakeem Jeffries for his 12th plurality in 16 speaker elections this year!

10-17-2023, 12:47 PM	#135
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Just pick a normal Republican who will agree to let bills with bipartisan support reach the floor for an up or down vote. You'd get Dems on board with that.

10-17-2023, 12:55 PM	#137
Ghost Econ College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2020	It's like saying just date a normal Kardashian.

10-17-2023, 01:09 PM	#139
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	At least they rejected him once! __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-17-2023, 01:41 PM	#141
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	`Live video feed from inside the House GOP meeting: pic.twitter.com/81LIOE9Zrw — Langdon Grant (@langdongrant2) October 17, 2023`

10-17-2023, 01:41 PM	#142
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	And Ken Buck is out there giving interviews saying the same thing. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-17-2023, 01:42 PM	#143
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Win McNamee/Getty Images pic.twitter.com/SGJCjKOe9o — bryan metzger (@metzgov) October 17, 2023 __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-17-2023, 01:50 PM	#144
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	If this is true, it just gets worse for Jordan. I still believe the moderates fold, but if not the the Jordan camp misplayed this bad. `“I personally know 5 will change their votes from yes to no on second round. That’s what they told me. This will get worse,” one House member tells me just now. — Olivia Beavers (@Olivia_Beavers) October 17, 2023`

10-17-2023, 01:52 PM	#145
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Squares with this: Senior GOP source believes House will vote for Speaker again today. But not soon. Believes Jordan will pick up some votes. But lose others. I asked if it would be a wash. “Yes” was the response — Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) October 17, 2023 __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-17-2023, 01:58 PM	#148
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Man I would laugh all day if he ends up with less votes this time around. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time! Last edited by Thomkal : 10-17-2023 at 02:15 PM.