2017 College Football Season thread

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Rod Gilmore might be the worst announcer I've ever heard

He makes Millen seem like a Rhodes scholar.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Two INT's. One because the receiver ran the wrong route and the other because it bounced off the chest of the receiver.

Sit out Josh, please? It's not worth it. That fact that you still care is impressive.

He padded his stats against 3 terrible defenses to start the season. 3 TD and 2 INT is the real Rosen. He panics when there's pressure and racks up numbers late like Matt Stafford when he's playing good defenses. He'll be an NFL starter but there's little chance he's the guy you build a franchise around.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

He padded his stats against 3 terrible defenses to start the season. 3 TD and 2 INT is the real Rosen. He panics when there's pressure and racks up numbers late like Matt Stafford when he's playing good defenses. He'll be an NFL starter but there's little chance he's the guy you build a franchise around.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

He padded his stats against 3 terrible defenses to start the season. 3 TD and 2 INT is the real Rosen. He panics when there's pressure and racks up numbers late like Matt Stafford when he's playing good defenses. He'll be an NFL starter but there's little chance he's the guy you build a franchise around.

I agree he does show signs of panic. On the other hand when he has time he can make some very difficult throws into a tight window. Maybe he is the next Jay Cutler. Although, if he gets on the right team with the right coach he could some nice things. He seems very comfortable in a spread offense.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

I agree he does show signs of panic. On the other hand when he has time he can make some very difficult throws into a tight window. Maybe he is the next Jay Cutler. Although, if he gets on the right team with the right coach he could some nice things. He seems very comfortable in a spread offense.

He's better than Cutler. Matt Stafford is the best comp I can think of. Give him time and he'll pick you apart, but at the first sign of trouble he's a mess. I see a lot of 200+ yard 2nd half performances while trailing by 14+ in his future. Even with that, he may be better than Darnold and both are light years ahead of Allen. This QB class, like most, is wildly overrated. It wouldn't surprise me if someone like Mason Rudolph got drafted in the 2nd/3rd round and emerged to be the best of the bunch.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Rod Gilmore might be the worst announcer I've ever heard

He's always been bad.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

He padded his stats against 3 terrible defenses to start the season. 3 TD and 2 INT is the real Rosen. He panics when there's pressure and racks up numbers late like Matt Stafford when he's playing good defenses. He'll be an NFL starter but there's little chance he's the guy you build a franchise around.

Can you build a franchise around Matt Stafford, Jay Cutler, Kirk Cousins? Because he definitely at least has the tools to be in that range. I'll agree it's premature to project a HoF career from him.

And actually my biggest worry with him is that it seems like he values a well rounded life & isn't completely obsessed with football. Great trait in a human being, polarizing one in an NFL QB.

Originally Posted by tarcone

Exactly. Thats why Minny sucks, they think they are better than what they recruit.

Until they find a coach that realizes what Minny is, they will take their 6 wins and play in NYC in Dec. 26th.

Idk how long he'll stay, but they found a pretty good coach... guy was able to recruit top 40 classes to Western Michigan when they were winning one game & turned that into MAC Championships. I suspect he'll do just fine at Minnesota.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Can you build a franchise around Matt Stafford, Jay Cutler, Kirk Cousins? Because he definitely at least has the tools to be in that range. I'll agree it's premature to project a HoF career from him.

And actually my biggest worry with him is that it seems like he values a well rounded life & isn't completely obsessed with football. Great trait in a human being, polarizing one in an NFL QB.

I'll agree on that second part. His realization that football isn't everything might hurt him.

As far as building a franchise around those 3 QBs, I don't see any one of them being the guy who wins you a SB because they're just so good. I love having Cousins on the Redskins, and do want them to keep him even for huge money, but I don't think anyone puts him in that elite QB level where guys like Rodgers and Brady exist. I see Rosen as an NFL starter that is good enough to win with, but more so as the piece that pushes you over the top than the guy who gunslings you all the way to the title.

[bhlloy]

If I needed a QB to start in year 1 or year 2 I'd take Rosen. Darnold is far from ready for the NFL and he's just learning the kind of throws you can't make in college, let alone the pros.

With that being said, I don't know how anyone can deny the potential. If he can land in a good situation down the road he's got the tools to be an absolute stud. Just hope it's not with the Jets where he's expected to be the franchise from day 1, because I don't see that ending well

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

I'll agree on that second part. His realization that football isn't everything might hurt him.

As far as building a franchise around those 3 QBs, I don't see any one of them being the guy who wins you a SB because they're just so good. I love having Cousins on the Redskins, and do want them to keep him even for huge money, but I don't think anyone puts him in that elite QB level where guys like Rodgers and Brady exist. I see Rosen as an NFL starter that is good enough to win with, but more so as the piece that pushes you over the top than the guy who gunslings you all the way to the title.

So Franchise QB is like Ace in baseball, where there's 6-8 guys in a 32 team league? Bad NFL franchises are generally that way because they can't find or develop even an average QB - f.e. the Colts have a terrible owner & are a poorly run organization, but because they lucked into having #1 when Peyton Manning & Andrew Luck were eligible they've made the playoffs a lot in the last 20 years.

I don't think Rosen or Darnold is in the same category those two were, but both clearly seem like worthy top 10 picks to me, and I guess we're just at the stage in the cycle where people feel the need to point out flaws & claim they're massively overrated because of those flaws instead of just saying, yeah they're both really good prospects, and seem like nice enough people they don't deserve to be drafted by the Jets.

Fwiw on Rudolph I haven't watched him enough to have an opinion on his game awareness, but he seems to have the arm talent & really lack pocket awareness/athleticism to elude the rush, so I could easily see him being very context dependent in the NFL.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Fwiw on Rudolph I haven't watched him enough to have an opinion on his game awareness, but he seems to have the arm talent & really lack pocket awareness/athleticism to elude the rush, so I could easily see him being very context dependent in the NFL.

Awareness and consistency are my biggest issues with Rudolph. Certain weeks he looks like a rock solid top 15 pick while other times he looks like the team he is playing has invented a style of defense that the game has never seen before. At this point in time he needs a lot of time to get through his progressions so he takes a lot of sacks. Id like to see him be able to improvise better when everything isnt going as planned.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

yeah they're both really good prospects, and seem like nice enough people

Honestly, I can't think of a much more deserving fate for a whiny bitch like Rosen than to be drafted by the Jets ... unless the Browns want another QB.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Awareness and consistency are my biggest issues with Rudolph. Certain weeks he looks like a rock solid top 15 pick while other times he looks like the team he is playing has invented a style of defense that the game has never seen before. At this point in time he needs a lot of time to get through his progressions so he takes a lot of sacks. Id like to see him be able to improvise better when everything isnt going as planned.

I've seen talk about the Oklahoma State offense where they only have 15 plays (with a lot of package concepts), and put the whole thing in in like one day of Spring practice, so I could see it being very susceptible to a good defensive gameplan - and someone like Gary Patterson who's seen it for years now probably has some tricks for it. Obviously talent still wins a lot, but I'm not sure that offense gives him a much leeway to improvise (and certainly not to audible.)

[CrescentMoonie]

So Gundy's mullet is longer than his playbook.

[tarcone]

Iowa travels to MSU. Always a tough game for Iowa. These teams are very similar.

Big game. Hope the defense is too beat up after allowing 99 plays. Hope the team isnt emotionally down after a roller coaster ride last Saturday.

[CrescentMoonie]

Lovie Smith's purpose in life is to save other coaches jobs for at least another week.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

Lovie Smith's purpose in life is to save other coaches jobs for at least another week.

Poor Lovie. His team is young. All his eggs are in this basket though. These kids dont mature, Illinois is looking again.

[MrBug708]

86 yard run, throw on the next three plays. The more Darnold throws, the more his stock drops. His running ability is his saving grace

[Butter]

Wazzu's defensive coordinator's last name is Grinch.

That's awesome.

[CU Tiger]

Must keep eyes open.
Great game.
Missed 1st Half, watching my son's hs team win 55-19...now digging this as I nod.

I love Leach....

But got up for work at 3:15 am today....too old for this ish.

[MrBug708]

It was a good game. Leach earned it tonight

[jbergey22]

Wizzou with a huge win. USC finally got what was coming and Darnold's Heisman chances went from slim to nil.

Not sure how people can criticize Rosen yet brag up Darnold at the same time. Darnold has has not been impressive this year.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Wizzou with a huge win. USC finally got what was coming and Darnold's Heisman chances went from slim to nil.

Not sure how people can criticize Rosen yet brag up Darnold at the same time. Darnold has has not been impressive this year.

Darnold had a great offensive line and WR corp last year. This year hasn't been the same and while he's had some good moments, he's got 8 INT's already and has been as careless as Rosen with the ball, it just caught up with him at the end of the game. Rosen isn't great under pressure, but the OL at SC is still better than what we have at UCLA and Darnold couldn't handle the pressure tonight. He really needs another year in college. I truly think if you have Rosen at SC, they cakewalk into the college playoffs

Leach with a great line. "It's like woodstock out here, but everyone has their clothes on"

[tarcone]

Barkley is winning the Heisman this year.

I watched the 1st half. Had to go to bed. Daughters run at 9 am and 2 hours away.

Wish I could have stayed up to watch. Sounds like a good one.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Wizzou with a huge win. USC finally got what was coming and Darnold's Heisman chances went from slim to nil.

Not sure how people can criticize Rosen yet brag up Darnold at the same time. Darnold has has not been impressive this year.

Darnold's TD/INT is much worse this year than last. Completion % and Y/A are the same. Of course, Winston took a big step back in year 2 at FSU and has been good as a pro so it may not matter.

Rosen hasn't been anything special at any time. I don't get the hype for either one of them as neither seems like a sure thing, but maybe they're both just trying to avoid playing for the Jets. I could easily see guys like Rudolph and Falk being better in the NFL.

[Butter]

Always fun watching the replay... there's only 3 minutes left on the replay, but 1:40 left in the game. How will this game end so quickly?

That's how.

[RedKingGold]

So, as an "armchair scout" who has spent a lot of free time reading on traits of successful quarterbacks and what to look for, I am of the firm belief that Falk is the best quarterback prospect in this year's class.

I love his pocket presence and accuracy. He took a few hits last night, but he kept his eyes downfield and went through his progressions while moving his feat. He has a nice compact delivery with quick release. You can't argue with 77% completion percentage. I also like the fact that he is a senior with several years of experience. I think he is a "day one" starter and hope like hell the 49er's can get him.

I think Darnold and Rosen are good prospects, but as mentioned above, they have inexperience issues. I think they are also a bit too careless with the ball, and Darnold in particular drops his eye level too quickly. I have not watched enough of Allen or Rudolph to have an opinion yet.

[Logan]

Falk will need to develop quicker feet in the NFL. There were points last night when he was standing still like a statue. First I've watched him legitimately from start to finish so maybe that was a rare occurrence. But agree that I liked pretty much everything else from him.

Darnold needs to work on those sailing throws when pressured.

[MrBug708]

The system he throws in is almost as worrisome as his slow feet and his concussion history

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Logan

Falk will need to develop quicker feet in the NFL. There were points last night when he was standing still like a statue. First I've watched him legitimately from start to finish so maybe that was a rare occurrence. But agree that I liked pretty much everything else from him.

Darnold needs to work on those sailing throws when pressured.

I think it is something he needs to improve on, but he also showed good feel to move in the pocket when pressure was coming.

Originally Posted by MrBug708

The system he throws in is almost as worrisome as his slow feet and his concussion history

I think this is an overrated concerns and how scouting mistakes happen, a la Connor Cook and his pro style offense over Dak Prescott. Traits are the most important thing when projecting forward.

[EagleFan]

Okay, some of these signs seem to make no sense.

"Dabo chews tomato sauce" WTF?

[dawgfan]

Big win for WSU, but they had perfect timing - USC was already beat-up heading into that game and lost two more starting OL so they were down three, plus their top defender (Gustin) and WR (Mitchell). Now WSU will have to go on the road finally after five straight home games.

Falk is a good QB for that system, but he holds on to the ball too long, doesn't have high-end arm strength and isn't that mobile. He'll get his shot in the NFL, but I don't see him as a high-end guy. Not to mention he's been seriously banged-up and is carrying several concussions in his history already.

USC coaches are stupid. Pendergast blitzed too much early in the game and it burned him - best way to play that offense (especially with the talent level the Trojans possess) is to rush 3 or 4 and drop the rest into coverage, keep everything in front of you and tackle well in space. Martin showed no patience with the run game - Jones had only 14 carries all game. Darnold has a lot of talent, but behind a tattered OL he was constantly harassed and rarely had time to find his receivers, and made a lot of off-target throws.

[Butter]

Written like a bitter U-dub fan.

[Eaglesfan27]

USC was down 10 starters last night and had 2 freshman playing at both tackles. WSU has had 4 easy games all at home. USC has been battered in some big games. No surprise USC lost last night. Without a bye all season, I knew they were not going undefeated.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

USC was down 10 starters last night and had 2 freshman playing at both tackles. WSU has had 4 easy games all at home. USC has been battered in some big games. No surprise USC lost last night. Without a bye all season, I knew they were not going undefeated.

Boise St isn't an easy game.

[CrescentMoonie]

Also, arm strength is the most overrated aspect of QB play. David Klingler had a monster arm and couldn't play a lick. As long as you have enough to make the throws, that's all you need. The cannon arm isn't necessary and people seem to lose their minds for that one skill while ignoring the rest of the QB package.

Falk's arm seems plenty strong for the NFL. The concussions are the biggest concern.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

Also, arm strength is the most overrated aspect of QB play. David Klingler had a monster arm and couldn't play a lick. As long as you have enough to make the throws, that's all you need. The cannon arm isn't necessary and people seem to lose their minds for that one skill while ignoring the rest of the QB package.

Falk's arm seems plenty strong for the NFL. The concussions are the biggest concern.

Not to try and merge politics, but that was always one of the issues with Kaepernick. It doesn't matter how hard or far you can throw the ball if you can't also throw it accurately.

IMO, give me a QB who is accurate, with a quick release and great pocket presence and he will
have the pertinent skills to succeed.

[CrescentMoonie]

DJ vs PJ has been fun so far. Maryland and Minnesota seem to be in good hands for as long as they can hold onto their coaches.

[Toddzilla]

Can anyone DM a link to the ESPN Gameday intro from today? Missed it.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

USC was down 10 starters last night and had 2 freshman playing at both tackles. WSU has had 4 easy games all at home. USC has been battered in some big games. No surprise USC lost last night. Without a bye all season, I knew they were not going undefeated.

10 starters? From last year to this year? What happened to the arrogance from SC where the motto has always been: "We don't rebuild we reload." Not much reloading last night.

[tarcone]

Go Hawks!

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

Falk is a good QB for that system, but he holds on to the ball too long, doesn't have high-end arm strength and isn't that mobile. He'll get his shot in the NFL, but I don't see him as a high-end guy. Not to mention he's been seriously banged-up and is carrying several concussions in his history already.

USC coaches are stupid. Pendergast blitzed too much early in the game and it burned him - best way to play that offense (especially with the talent level the Trojans possess) is to rush 3 or 4 and drop the rest into coverage, keep everything in front of you and tackle well in space. Martin showed no patience with the run game - Jones had only 14 carries all game. Darnold has a lot of talent, but behind a tattered OL he was constantly harassed and rarely had time to find his receivers, and made a lot of off-target throws.

PFF College Football ✔@PFF_College
Pressure played a big role in this QB matchup last night.

Under pressure:
Falk: 4-of-9, 1 TD, 58 yds
Darnold: 2-of-9, 1 INT, 24 yds

The Apple cup is going to be like the 2008 apple.cup

[JonInMiddleGA]

The deal with Florida QBs is really something.

Franks is the hero vs UT
Franks gets benched last week, Del Rio rallies them past Kentucky
Del Rio gets hurt today, Franks leads a 2nd half win over Vandy (17-17 at half)

And there they sit, unbeaten & leading the (L)east. Again.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

PFF College Football ✔@PFF_College
Pressure played a big role in this QB matchup last night.

Under pressure:
Falk: 4-of-9, 1 TD, 58 yds
Darnold: 2-of-9, 1 INT, 24 yds

The Apple cup is going to be like the 2008 apple.cup

[CrescentMoonie]

Tennessee and Georgia playing "Anything you can do I can do worser" in the first 90 seconds of the game. Dormady and Fromm both look lost to start the game.

I wonder how many times Wake and FSU have played when Wake was undefeated and FSU winless.

[miked]

Just got back from the GT game (wish I could watch Rutgers tonight but not BIG network). GT has played some bad opponents, but the D looks sharp.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

I wonder how many times Wake and FSU have played when Wake was undefeated and FSU winless.

Looks like 1973.

They met in the season opener that year (on Sept 15th) and Wake won 9-7.
FSU finished 0-11 under coach Larry Jones.
Wake went 1-9-1, managing a tie in week 9 vs Duke. (Lost to Richmond and W&M that year)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Having to explain to Georgia fans that "no, Dormady IS the 'good' QB for Tennessee" really kinda explains just how bad things are in Knoxville this year.

#FireButch

[tarcone]

Not sure how we almost beat PsU. But MSU is kicking our arse. Going to be a long day.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You know what'll be ugly? UT vs Vandy.

You know what might be even uglier? Thank God UT doesn't play FSU this year.