WW XCII Sparta -- Claimed by Villagers

[DaddyTorgo]

*runs to read the rules*

[dubb93]

I'm sure as heck not making it 2-2-2, given the voters, this is pretty simple

Vote Saldana

And here we have Heinz breaking the 2-2 tie between Jackal and Saldana.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Here we have Heinz cover for DT on day 1. Combine that with Heinz and DT tag teaming on my info I think implicates DT.

you're nuts

unless...do you want to just go ahead and reveal as the seer?

[dubb93]

Danny could be bad still yes. But why send Heinz to hades as a wolf instead of night killing him and sending him to hades as a villager?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

you're nuts

unless...do you want to just go ahead and reveal as the seer?

? Are you suggesting I caught you?

[DaddyTorgo]

We've now driven off someone who had a 50/50 chance of being a wolf (PB) and killed another wolf (heinzy). Do we think that our village might be free of wolves at this point? Opinions?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by dubb93

? Are you suggesting I caught you?

on the contrary mon frer

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

We've now driven off someone who had a 50/50 chance of being a wolf (PB) and killed another wolf (heinzy). Do we think that our village might be free of wolves at this point? Opinions?

I think the nightkill suggests otherwise.

[dubb93]

We have six left. I REALLY think the best play is to kill 2 today, wait for a possible night kill and if there is one it is down to three. At that point I like the villagers chances.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm - good point!

[DaddyTorgo]

Well if that's the strategy you're advocating then I have this to add to the mix.

The two that we should kill are you and Jackal

[DaddyTorgo]

One of you is the wolf.

[dubb93]

DT you even voted with Heinz....and Jackal....why should we see both of them go away today and yet leave you here. Better yet why should you stay alive let we kill jackal and then we also kill the person who called heinz a wolf multiple times AND the person who presented jackal as a suspect? Are you high at this point?

[dubb93]

Vote DT

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE DUBB

[DaddyTorgo]

how do we kill 2 in one night? a tie?

[dubb93]

Thomkal!

[Thomkal]

dubb!

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

how do we kill 2 in one night? a tie?

Yes. The way I see our odds are best to get down to 2 assuming an evil phoenix could return at some point. I think the best play for the villagers to get there is to vote 3 of them there and only let the wolves send 1 there. If we don't vote 2 today or tomarrow the wolves could potentially get 2 night kills to our 2 lynch votes making it even. If we vote 2 at some point that puts the ball in our court giving us 3 votes to their 1 kill to get down to the magic number of 2 left.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Yes. The way I see our odds are best to get down to 2 assuming an evil phoenix could return at some point. I think the best play for the villagers to get there is to vote 3 of them there and only let the wolves send 1 there. If we don't vote 2 today or tomarrow the wolves could potentially get 2 night kills to our 2 lynch votes making it even. If we vote 2 at some point that puts the ball in our court giving us 3 votes to their 1 kill to get down to the magic number of 2 left.

I agree with your logic, but I'd like for somebody else to verify your thinking to ensure that I'm not being snowballed.

[dubb93]

Hell I'll even go so far as to say that even if the nightkills stop we should play it down to two if for no other reason than to send more villagers to hades and increase our chance of winning there.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Hell I'll even go so far as to say that even if the nightkills stop we should play it down to two if for no other reason than to send more villagers to hades and increase our chance of winning there.

well you're gaining trust with me by the post. making me think jackal's the last wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

that being said - i still maintain that Jackal and you are our best lynch prospects (and then danny if the night kills don't stop). reasoning to follow.

[DaddyTorgo]

Responding to your earlier post.

My case for voting a tie and lynching dubb and Jackal.

Originally Posted by dubb93

DT you even voted with Heinz....and Jackal....why should we see both of them go away today and yet leave you here. Better yet why should you stay alive let we kill jackal and then we also kill the person who called heinz a wolf multiple times AND the person who presented jackal as a suspect? Are you high at this point?

Because Barkeep is a villager (n1), Clap is a villager (n2), Danny is the Ephor (and we presume a villager), and I am the (GOOD) historian.

Dubb and Jackal are our votes guys. Failing that, you move to Danny, who we presume good but I never scanned. If I live tonight then obviously I'll scan Danny. And if Danny scans as good then we've cleared out the village and we can just relax unless/until the other marathon runner comes along.

[dubb93]

I so pegged you DT.

[dubb93]

Sad thing is you count as a villager and with you presenting Jackal I'm not sure he's the best choice anymore.

[dubb93]

Historians – These players use their knowledge of society in this era to help them learn about one player in their city per night. Both Historians in the game are villagers, but one Historian will be evil, and win when the wolves win.

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[dubb93]

So basically either DT is the cultist or both the seer and bodyguard ended up in Sparta while the cultist and the seer killer role ended up in Athens.

[dubb93]

I really wish Barkeep would show up and offer some kind of input. Was odd seeing him offer nothing during the last vote process.

[dubb93]

Any tie involving Barkeep at this point is going to be a bitch to get with his vote on him from Pass.

[Danny]

Wow, nice result. Jeheinz had not sat well with me since yesterday. I'll talk more about that and my analysis of other players from now knowing Heinz is bad later (don't have much time now).

Odd night kill from the wolves considering Saldana was the leading vote getter. I'm assuming they had conditionals in place, possibly based on me using my duke or not.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Responding to your earlier post.

My case for voting a tie and lynching dubb and Jackal.





Because Barkeep is a villager (n1), Clap is a villager (n2), Danny is the Ephor (and we presume a villager), and I am the (GOOD) historian.

Dubb and Jackal are our votes guys. Failing that, you move to Danny, who we presume good but I never scanned. If I live tonight then obviously I'll scan Danny. And if Danny scans as good then we've cleared out the village and we can just relax unless/until the other marathon runner comes along.

Hmmm, right now I'm tending to believe Daddytorgo, but I could see case for this as the bad historian if Bk or Clap is the other wolf.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Danny

Hmmm, right now I'm tending to believe Daddytorgo, but I could see case for this as the bad historian if Bk or Clap is the other wolf.

I think DT scanned Heinz night 1 based on play yesterday. I wouldn't put it out of the range of possibility that he hit another wolf last night or is just wasting our time. I do not think there is any chance at all DT is the good historian.

[dubb93]

Note it is far easier to fake reveal and lay out villagers than it is to fake reveal and say someone is a wolf. You end up with MUCH more of a fight that way.

[claphamsa]

hmmm. I guess dany is good since he duked heinze... if he was also a wolf, they could have sent him at night..... so! I trust me! and Danny,...

[Danny]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

hmmm. I guess dany is good since he duked heinze... if he was also a wolf, they could have sent him at night..... so! I trust me! and Danny,...

I didn't like that you came out saying you weren't the duke. It kind of forced me into using it before I was hoping too. Fortunately Jeheinz' play helped me in making a good decision. My vote was for that though, I never planned on duking it to you.

[DaddyTorgo]

dubb - I am so frigging exasperated with you at this point. I don't think you are a wolf at the moment I think its jackal, but I am the good goddamned seer and its frigging aggrivating that you have latched onto the idea that I am the evil seer! I am good!!!!

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

dubb - I am so frigging exasperated with you at this point. I don't think you are a wolf at the moment I think its jackal, but I am the good goddamned seer and its frigging aggrivating that you have latched onto the idea that I am the evil seer! I am good!!!!

I told you days ago that I wouldn't buy a seer reveal. The way you played after that convinced me you were the evil seer. Then today you claim to be the good seer after I cast a vote for you. What do you expect from me?

[dubb93]

If barkeep doesn't show up again he has to be the vote b/c even if he is a villager with two pass votes on him he is useless in the final three assuming there is a wolf left there. He's borderline useless in the final three at this point as a villager as the wolf could vote him and even if the two villagers vote the wolf that leaves us with one here. If we have the wolf phoenix it would be a wolf win at that point when the phoenix returns.

[Danny]

Wait, BK missed both votes?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Danny

Wait, BK missed both votes?

No he missed 1.

[dubb93]

I think BK has to go today b/c in a final 3 situation a wolf can force a tie with just one vote on BK. If we vote BK we can't vote DT b/c even if he is the evil seer, and he knows he is, he still counts as a villager. I don't know if BK is evil but I suspect he's not so that means I think the vote today should be BK and then somone other than DT b/c we can't afford two villagers today.

Unvote DT

Damnit BK you were here this morning. VOTE! You've really screwed the strategy by not casting a vote.

[Danny]

I misread your post, you said if he doesn't show up again.

[dubb93]

Vote BK

[Danny]

I'm off to class, we'll look into this more later.

[dubb93]

If we vote two today and don't vote DT though and he is the evil seer and BK isn't a wolf that puts the cultist a wolf and a villager in the final 3. This sucks. Its like a freakin lose lose with a pass vote on BK now.

[dubb93]

I hope Athens is going well b/c this looks like a fail.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I hope Athens is going well b/c this looks like a fail.

lolwhat?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

lolwhat?

We have a cultist, a wolf, and a villager(possibly) that has be sent to hades before the final 3 because he missed a vote. We have 6 left. I don't think it looks good right now.

[dubb93]

We either move to rid ourselves of the cultist and BK this vote or we go all in and vote for neither and try to hit on the wolf as far as I see it.