Draft Kings (Daily fantasy football)

[digamma]

There are a handful of other states where you can't play already. Washington comes to mind.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by digamma

There are a handful of other states where you can't play already. Washington comes to mind.

And Arizona

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by digamma

There are a handful of other states where you can't play already. Washington comes to mind.

But it's easier for people to point to casinos than to realize other state ban it also.

Reality is the NFL has screwed with the state and Las Vegas and they figured out a way to stick it back to the NFL. Now the AGA is backing the recent Nevada law that declares DFS as gambling. The NFL greased the hands of politicians to get it in a bill to declare it a game of skill instead of gambling.

And it's not illegal in Nevada, you just have to have a sports gaming licence (given to those who allow sport GAMBLING). DK and FD can't say they are gambling because of their backers and it's against the law in 46 states.

Guess they need to change that commercial saying they are having finals in Vegas. Maybe they can go to New Orle... nope, maybe Arizon... nope.

[albionmoonlight]

I get that it is all special interests greasing palms, but it seems so bizarre to live in a world where I am free legally to lose money to insider-trading bots at DK or FD, but I can't just log onto caesers-palace-sportsbook.com and make a nice, legal, 10% vig, regulated bet on a game against the spread.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I get that it is all special interests greasing palms, but it seems so bizarre to live in a world where I am free legally to lose money to insider-trading bots at DK or FD, but I can't just log onto caesers-palace-sportsbook.com and make a nice, legal, 10% vig, regulated bet on a game against the spread.

Here was the NFL argument (testimony from Mr Goodell) that someone believed.

1) Fantasy sports aren't gambling because children are able to do it. (yes, he said this )

2) Gambling goes against the nature of sports where the big bad gambler would be forced to root against a team they would root for normally (unlike fantasy sports where you never EVER start a player against your favorite team ).

My 6 year old is able to comprehend a legal bet I make and has no clue how fantasy sports works.

[digamma]

The internet and sports gambling bills are fascinating. The story of them being tossed into the Ports bill is just classic. And who knows who knew at the time that they contained a "fantasy sports" exclusion? Pretty wacky stuff.

[panerd]

(excuse me for not reading the articles if this is discussed) These are legit businesses that pay taxes right? I guess I understand the "outrage" when these offshore companies take Harrah's customers and then in turn don't pay taxes. But this seems to be a case that senators are in certain companies pockets and want to squash them for taking their master's business away.

[cartman]

If I'm reading the Nevada ruling correctly, season long fantasy leagues for cash are ok, but they consider the week-to-week ones as gambling.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by cartman

If I'm reading the Nevada ruling correctly, season long fantasy leagues for cash are ok, but they consider the week-to-week ones as gambling.

Yes, fantasy sports leagues are legal in Nevada still. Think FFPC and NFFC are among the ones that have drafts here.

Another thought on why it is NFL/DK directed. The first National Fantasy Football Convention was suppose to be in July but the NFL banned it because it was at the Sands Expo. Players and NFL personnel may not participate in promotional activities or other appearances at or in connection with events that are held at or sponsored by casinos (Yet the Saints hold camp at a casino). They had to cancel a lot of things involving NFL players (Think Romo was a big part of recruiting players).

I believe this is what pissed off Nevada to go after DFS because the NFL was very vocal about backing it and has tried to get sports gambling banned everywhere.

[murrayyyyy]

In case you were wondering what a banned state letter looks like from them. Also for spell check people, I think it is commingled not comingled (but this would involve the skill of spell check, not gambling that everything is correct)

Dear murrayyyyy,

You are receiving this notice because your account lists Nevada as your state of residence.

Yesterday the Nevada Gaming Control Board made a determination that Daily Fantasy Sports is subject to the Nevada Gaming Control Act, and that all daily fantasy sports operators must cease operations in the State of Nevada immediately. While we disagree with this decision, and take the view that DFS is a game of skill, we respect the authority of the NGCB and will comply with their instructions.

If you object to DraftKings not being able to operate in Nevada, please join the debate by
Fantasy Sports Trade Association
signing this petition (click here) . Only by working together can Nevada residents again join the millions of other Americans who enjoy DFS on a regular basis.

In the meantime, we will be considering all options available for us to return to Nevada.

For now, we ask that you please withdraw any funds in your account. Your funds are safe, and have always been safe as we keep them in a segregated player account which is never comingled with our operating funds.

Starting today, you and other Nevada Residents will no longer be able to participate in our fantasy sports contests.If your account has withdrawable funds, your account will only retain login and withdrawal capabilities on DraftKings. If you change your residence in the future, please contact our customer support team with proof of address and we will consider re-opening your account.

All DFS contest entries that have not yet started have been refunded to your account, and prizes will be converted to their dollar value.All entries that are active will payout normally once the contests finish and can be withdrawn at that time.Once you have withdrawn all available account balances, your account access will be closed.Please make sure you withdraw your entire available balance as soon as possible.

We appreciate your loyalty to DraftKings.THANK YOU for supporting us with your interest, enthusiasm for sports and DFS play. While we disagree with the NGCB decision, we will work diligently to ensure Nevadans again have the right to play on DraftKings again soon.

Fantasy Sports Trade Association
Link to Petition

Thank you,

DraftKings Team

[NobodyHere]

Can't people in banned states just use a proxy server or something?

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Can't people in banned states just use a proxy server or something?

Dunno since some might link it up to their bank account. Always wondered this since BOA still counts me as a New Mexico account and I haven't been there in 16 years.

I think the obvious solution is someone going out of the US to set up a company much like all online sports gambling sites are. Doesn't seem to stop it as there are at least 132 rated sportsbooks that accept US players even thought it is illegal here.

[Senator]

I cashed in my 119.82 and skidaddled my merry way.

[Comey]

If we're doing one this week, I'd love to stay in. I thought I had entered an entry last week, but overlooked it, apparently.

[EagleFan]

You may have but we didn't get a full league. Will set something up today.

[murrayyyyy]

I got an invite but still can't play cause of live in a bad part of 'Murica

[EagleFan]

sorry, I'll remove you from the list. Have just use the list from the previous week.

[SegRat]

You can ad me again

[TCY Junkie]

Playing yahoo. If it wasn't for bell being injured I would have won 3k on 25 entered. Had Hillman for Sunday and noticed a guy had 40 entries 1.75 points ahead of me. Counted up his roster and the best player he could afford was Hillman. So I knew he had Hillman. I put in Ginn jr hoeping. For a miracle of Ginn more than Hillman. But didn't happen. Cost me 50 dollars, won 100 instead of 150. If he only had 1 entry I would have won 900. Blah blah blah. Signed up for draft kings and curious if this thing is still going on. Pawhite1979 is my id

[murrayyyyy]

And New York follows Nevada now...

SportsCenter on Twitter: "DraftKings and FanDuel have been declared illegal gambling sites by N.Y. Attorney General, according to letters obtained by ESPN & ABC News."

[jbergey22]

This could very well end Daily Fantasy Sports in the USA and turn it into offshore profit. Losing New York is going be tough as they have the largest customer base and states generally will take their lead.

Seems like a bunch of BS to me. Cuomo is worried about his Casino revenue and figures this will make him look good.

Unless the NFL, MLB, or NBA decide to lobby with DK and FD it doesnt look good.

[RainMaker]

Just legalize it all. This weird setup we have where certain types of gambling are legal while others are not is bizarre. Like I can drive a 20 minutes and play slots and blackjack all night here. I can buy a roll of scratch-off tickets on my way home. I can bet on a bunch of players performance in sporting events. But I want to bet on a team and that's illegal.

[TCY Junkie]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Just legalize it all. This weird setup we have where certain types of gambling are legal while others are not is bizarre. Like I can drive a 20 minutes and play slots and blackjack all night here. I can buy a roll of scratch-off tickets on my way home. I can bet on a bunch of players performance in sporting events. But I want to bet on a team and that's illegal.

+1000000 on the last sentence

[Neuqua]

Decided to go ahead and cash out today (left $5 just for fun.)

[BYU 14]

I just don't get this, it's not competing with legalized gambling, because casinos don't have anything like this. Make it something useful like the lotteries where a portion of money goes to education or something and legalize it in all 50.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I just don't get this, it's not competing with legalized gambling, because casinos don't have anything like this. Make it something useful like the lotteries where a portion of money goes to education or something and legalize it in all 50.

I think the real problem is that it's not regulated in the end. Everything people mention always comes back to this point. Lotteries, gambling, horse racing, poker rooms, the stock market, etc.... In the end, they did it to themselves.

[BYU 14]

Good point

[Bigsmooth]

That Brady/Gronksmash TD! I'm TheAceMan...looking like I locked up a Qualifier spot on Fantasy Fued and will be going after $250K. The Qualifier is worth $33,000.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Bigsmooth

That Brady/Gronksmash TD! I'm TheAceMan...looking like I locked up a Qualifier spot on Fantasy Fued and will be going after $250K. The Qualifier is worth $33,000.

Exciting! Good luck to you! Even better news is that FF is out of Canada and doesnt have to worry about restrictions right now

[murrayyyyy]

So it isn't gambling in the US but you apply for a gambling license in the UK? Alrighty then...

Daily fantasy sports companies seek gambling approval abroad - US News

[murrayyyyy]

And of course John Oliver gets in on it...

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Daily Fantasy Sports (HBO) - YouTube

[nol]

Fanduel told Employees Not to Win Too Much Money on DraftKings or People Would Get Suspicious

Rules for Employee Play on Other Sites:

Never be among the top five players by volume on any one site (based on site leaderboards). Never be among the top ten overall on the RotoGrinders leaderboard. Top players frequently become targets for accusations by other users.

Never account for more than 2% of entries in any tournament of more than 1,000 entries. Never account for more than 5% of entries in any tournament of more than 100 entries. Players who swamp big tournaments with entries frequently become targets of accusations.

Don’t be the 2nd person into a head to head contest against the same opponent in more than one contest per day. This rule will greatly limit the ability to exploit information about user performance, and will also limit the likelihood of complaints from users.

But hey, there's no advantage that one site's employees could exploit on other sites.

[murrayyyyy]

Damn, FanDuel And DraftKings Bring In Shitloads Of MoneyÂ*

Well being honest might have been the worst thing they've done... As you check out the state by state tally you may notice the 5 states in red at the bottom. You know the ones where it's always been illegal for them to operate... Washington would seem to have first dibs at taking action.

But hey, you know what's even better, using gambling formats of reporting and terminology for your own reports. But it's obviously not gambling, just the accounting reports are.

[EagleFan]

That doesn't tell the real numbers though. The net is only showing deposits minus withdraws. That means nothing in terms of their actual bottom line.

[TCY Junkie]

So I entered a 100 dollar beginner tournament for 33 people but only 13 people signed up. I got 4 and 350. Paid top 6 places, top place 1k. If lacy didn't break curfew would have easily got 2 and 50/50 for first. I was curious if this is something they have always done in the past and traffic is just that much slower or if they tried something new and it didn't work out. Only have 13 sign up for a 33 man contest?

[bob]

Unless someone else steps in, this could pretty well kill them:

Vantiv to stop processing payments for FanDuel, DraftKings: report - MarketWatch

This is somewhat analogous to banks that refuse to handle merchant accounts for pot dispensaries in Colorado.