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Old 02-05-2024, 07:12 AM   #9301
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I did the isidewith.com and landed on Doug Burgum & Joe Manchin

If Manchin runs I’ll vote for him because I believe in surveys & statistics which can help remove emotion

Biden was 3rd though so I’ll vote for Biden if Manchin doesn’t


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Old 02-05-2024, 09:39 AM   #9302
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We know that most independents lean one way or the other. I think culturally the I'm a conservative not a Republican mindset is a lot more prevalent than Dem leaning independents.
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Old 02-05-2024, 10:05 AM   #9303
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Several studies have found that there are very few true well-informed independents. Almost all of them have a pretty strong lean.

There are more low-information/low-turnout voters that might come off as independent. The sort of people who get excited by a Reagan or an Obama but otherwise have better things to do than all of us weirdos in this thread :-)

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Old 02-05-2024, 10:45 AM   #9304
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I did the isidewith.com and landed on Doug Burgum & Joe Manchin

If Manchin runs I’ll vote for him because I believe in surveys & statistics which can help remove emotion

Biden was 3rd though so I’ll vote for Biden if Manchin doesn’t


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isidewith.com has me at 47% with Joe Biden and 64% with Joe Exotic.

I know who I'm voting for!
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Old 02-05-2024, 11:02 AM   #9305
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75% Joe Exotic for me. (95% Cornel West, 85% Biden, 11% Trump). Biden was higher than I expected.
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Old 02-05-2024, 11:48 AM   #9306
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79% for Dean Phillips and Ryan Binkley (who?).
74% for Joe Manchin

I can see Manchin, don't know enough about Phillips.

Joe Exotic is 33%.
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Old 02-05-2024, 12:28 PM   #9307
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Old 02-05-2024, 01:41 PM   #9308
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Is that site owned by a coal baron or something?
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Old 02-05-2024, 02:55 PM   #9309
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I got Cornell West at 91%, yet the issues I disagree with him are complete deal-breakers. I mean first of all he is a complete fruit-cake, but beyond that. Then there was Dean Phillips at 90%, who I probably did agree with until he became a stooge for the Republicans which again is a deal-breaker. Then there is Biden at 89%.

What I really was interested in was the ideologies. 89% for both Feminism and Saint-Simonianism (which I literally have never heard of), then 88% Environmentalism.
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Old 02-05-2024, 08:24 PM   #9310
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Old 02-05-2024, 08:52 PM   #9311
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Yeah, well...

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Old 02-05-2024, 10:26 PM   #9312
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How about whoever scores highest on an MMSE gets to be President?
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Old 02-06-2024, 08:22 AM   #9313
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I don't like those sites because matching views does not necessarily make someone a better President. For example, if there was an exact clone of me, I would still pick Biden over that person 100% of the time.
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Old 02-06-2024, 08:45 AM   #9314
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The person who matches my own views the most exactly is myself, and I sure as hell would never vote for me, I'd be a really shitty president.

I've felt that way with real candidates who have popped up on those things. Saying out loud what your legislative policy position is doesn't really demonstrate much about your ability to be an effective president, or what kind of president you'll be.
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Old 02-06-2024, 05:12 PM   #9315
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Probably best if they keep him away from cameras till the election.


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Old 02-06-2024, 05:23 PM   #9316
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The Ohio Supreme Court is hearing a case where Joe Deters was listed as the prosecutor and he's now on the court. He says he will not recuse.
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Old 02-06-2024, 05:48 PM   #9317
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The vote to impeach the Homeland Security secretary failed. Even the meaningless symbolic crap the GOP tries to do can't get through.

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Old 02-06-2024, 06:47 PM   #9318
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I mean, no, that doesn't look good but I'd be lying if I said I haven't done that in meetings.
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Old 02-06-2024, 06:56 PM   #9319
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And the standalone Israel bill fails also.

Nice cluster
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Old 02-06-2024, 07:02 PM   #9320
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And the standalone Israel bill fails also.

Nice cluster

It is almost as if they bunch of things together so everyone gets something they want that could work!
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Old 02-06-2024, 07:36 PM   #9321
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Their ineptness is truly astounding.
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Old 02-08-2024, 03:23 PM   #9322
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There's a possibility that the bullshit hit job by Robert Hur ends up leading to a different Dem candidate who smokes Trump. If there's karma it's what the GOP hit machine deserves.
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Old 02-08-2024, 03:25 PM   #9323
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There's a possibility that the bullshit hit job by Robert Hur ends up leading to a different Dem candidate who smokes Trump. If there's karma it's what the GOP hit machine deserves.

Please let thins happen.

I will vote Biden if it comes to it, but he isn't fit. Him refusing to appear for an interview at the superbowl was the last straw. You don't turn down free exposure like that without a very good reason.
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Old 02-08-2024, 03:31 PM   #9324
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There's a possibility that the bullshit hit job by Robert Hur ends up leading to a different Dem candidate who smokes Trump. If there's karma it's what the GOP hit machine deserves.

What's the mechanism that could lead to that? Would he have to drop out?
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Old 02-08-2024, 03:38 PM   #9325
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Yes. I think he's the nominee if he's running as most of the delegates are pledged by vote. If he's out it makes the convention a free for all. Harris has to be the favorite, but a Dem governor could also slip in.

Still by far the most likely thing is Biden runs, but this hit job is going to do a lot of real damage.
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Old 02-08-2024, 03:50 PM   #9326
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I really don't understand the idea that there's any realistic idea of Biden getting replaced at this point. That's something that just doesn't happen. For better or worse, he's the candidate unless he is tragically dead or close to it.

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Saying out loud what your legislative policy position is doesn't really demonstrate much about your ability to be an effective president, or what kind of president you'll be.

Totally agree, but it's what people tend to vote on when it isn't an automatic party support vote. Every time the question comes up around here 'what if so-and-so ran for president' and it's someone of good character/judgement but who disagrees on policy, it's almost always 'I'd never vote for anyone who supports issue X'.

I remember back in my younger years watching some of the Bush-Dukakis stuff, and the media decrying the negativity of the campaign while also ignoring the various policy positions the candidates were putting out. Which isn't exactly the same thing you're talking about, but it's related; there's what people say they care about, and what they actually vote on. Party affiliation and more broadly policy issues are what most people actually vote on when they haven't fixated on a candidate for unusual personal reasons (Obama, Trump, etc).

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Old 02-08-2024, 05:14 PM   #9327
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I really don't understand the idea that there's any realistic idea of Biden getting replaced at this point. That's something that just doesn't happen. For better or worse, he's the candidate unless he is tragically dead or close to it.

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Old 02-08-2024, 05:25 PM   #9328
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For better or worse, he's the candidate unless he is tragically dead or close to it.

Sounds like he's more or less dead upstairs. Not terribly surprising if you've heard him speak over the past year.
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Old 02-08-2024, 05:28 PM   #9329
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Great job, Joe.

Somehow, also spread more of the wealth to friendlier, developing countries.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...d-us-107034221
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For the first time in more than two decades, Mexico last year surpassed China as the leading source of goods imported by the United States. The shift reflects the growing tensions between Washington and Beijing as well as U.S. efforts to import from countries that are friendlier and closer to home.

Figures released Wednesday by the U.S. Commerce Department show that the value of goods imported by the United States from Mexico rose nearly 5% from 2022 to 2023, to more than $475 billion. At the same time, the value of Chinese imports tumbled 20% to $427 billion.
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Old 02-08-2024, 06:09 PM   #9330
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The media is making all the same choices as in 2016. Look at the banner headlines at the top of CNN.

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Old 02-08-2024, 06:40 PM   #9331
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The media is making all the same choices as in 2016. Look at the banner headlines at the top of CNN.

What is it you want them to say? It's a pretty damning report. The President being mentally unsound and committing crimes is going to get covered by the news.
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Old 02-08-2024, 06:43 PM   #9332
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This feels like a big moment.


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Old 02-08-2024, 06:55 PM   #9333
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I suspect he is going to highlight the difference between his docs case and Trumps.

If you're expecting an announcement suspending the campaign I think youre mistaken

The reaction will be predictable. The right will say he is a bumbling fool and cherry pick sound bites and the left will say dark Brandon came out swinging.
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:00 PM   #9334
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well that didn't take long...
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:02 PM   #9335
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and him forgetting the name of the church while talking about his dead son is the bumbling sound bite
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:07 PM   #9336
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him continuing to blame his staff is a bad look.
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:09 PM   #9337
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president of mexico......that's going to kill him
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:10 PM   #9338
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Did he hire Desantis campaign staffers? Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:12 PM   #9339
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The President of Mexico, Sisi. Dude is cooked and this is bordering on elder abuse.
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:16 PM   #9340
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The President of Mexico, Sisi. Dude is cooked and this is bordering on elder abuse.

Even CNN is skewering him about it.
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:21 PM   #9341
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If Dems cared at all about winning, they'd get Mark Kelly on every national media appearance they can and then have Biden say he won't run and elect Kelly at the convention. Pitch it as this American hero stepping up in a time of crisis to take on Trump. That's the only chance they have although it sure fucking feels like they want to lose.

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Old 02-08-2024, 07:26 PM   #9342
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What is it you want them to say? It's a pretty damning report. The President being mentally unsound and committing crimes is going to get covered by the news.

Trump has a thousand scandals, but saying that sounds unfair, so they let him off the hook. There's no way to compare any scandal with Trump and Biden and not see Trump is several orders of magnitude worse.
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:28 PM   #9343
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Trump has a thousand scandals, but saying that sounds unfair, so they let him off the hook. There's no way to compare any scandal with Trump and Biden and not see Trump is several orders of magnitude worse.

Orange man bad isn't winning this cycle like it did in 2020. At this point Biden will be lucky to win 1 of the 6-7 swing states he needs.

He's a disaster and it isn't going to get better.
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:33 PM   #9344
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Panic setting in around this place like 2020 Election Day. Pace yourselves, it's only February.
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:34 PM   #9345
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Panic setting in around this place like 2020 Election Day. Pace yourselves, it's only February.

The problem is Biden isn't getting any younger
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:42 PM   #9346
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Trump has a thousand scandals, but saying that sounds unfair, so they let him off the hook. There's no way to compare any scandal with Trump and Biden and not see Trump is several orders of magnitude worse.

I don't want Trump to be President either and think he should pay for his crimes too. You can in fact think with men are criminals and unfit for office.
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:44 PM   #9347
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Biden's not a criminal and saying so is absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 02-08-2024, 07:58 PM   #9348
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Every single one of us would be spending a decade behind bars if we were that careless with classified materials.

Also being a war criminal is a criminal too.

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Old 02-08-2024, 08:01 PM   #9349
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Does anyone really think Inauguration day 2029 Biden will be even remotely cognitively sound?
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Old 02-08-2024, 08:07 PM   #9350
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Trump has a thousand scandals, but saying that sounds unfair, so they let him off the hook. There's no way to compare any scandal with Trump and Biden and not see Trump is several orders of magnitude worse.

Not to his base. The thing is, his base loves it and gets off on it, Biden's base actually cares about governance and would seemingly let Trump win because Biden is not perfectly what they want.
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