cartman's 2004 NCAA Top 25 preseason poll

[cartman]

Alright fellas, it's that time of year again. Now that the major players have released their Top 25 polls, we need to compile the only one that counts... ours!

This is now the 3rd season of the poll, and we have had good turnout. Anyone is eligible to submit a poll, all I ask is that if you join up, that you get a poll in every week. Consistency is the key here. This weeks vote will be open until Friday. On each week's thread, I'll post the time/date due in bold. The results will be posted within 24 hours of the poll's close. I hope at some point in the season to get this moved to a web based voting system. Until then, post your votes in this thread, by PM, or email them to me.

Let's get this thing started!!!

Submit your polls by August 21st, 10pm CST.

[cartman]

Dola, here's the first entry:

1. USC
2. Georgia
3. Oklahoma
4. Miami
5. Florida State
6. LSU
7. Texas
8. Michigan
9. Ohio State
10. Florida
11. West Virginia
12. Tennessee
13. Clemson
14. Kansas State
15. Auburn
16. Virginia
17. Missouri
18. California
19. Iowa
20. Wisconson
21. Oregon
22. Maryland
23. Nebraska
24. Purdue
25. TCU

[Noop]

1. USC
2. LSU
3. Georgia
4. Oklahoma
5. Miami
6. Iowa
7. Michigan
8. Ohio State
9. Florida State
10. Kansas State
11. West Virgina
12. California
13. Tennesse
14. Clemson
15. Virgina
16. Texas
17. Utah
18. Auburn
19. Missouri
20. Maryland
21. Florida
22. Oregon
23. Minnesota
24. Purdue
25. Virgina Tech

[vex]

1. Oklahoma
2. LSU
3. Miami
4. USC
5. Florida
6. Georgia
7. Ohio State
8. Florida State
9. Texas
10. Michigan
11. West Virginia
12. Tennessee
13. Clemson
14. Missouri
15. Kansas State
16. Virginia
17. Auburn
18. Oregon
19. California
20. Wisconsin
21. Iowa
22. Maryland
23. Memphis
24. Boise State
25. Arizona

[Noop]

bump

[duckman]

1. Oklahoma
2. USC
3. Miami
4. Georgia
5. LSU
6. Florida
7. Miami
8. Michigan
9. Ohio State
10. Texas
11. Kansas State
12. Florida State
13. Iowa
14. West Virginia
15. Clemson
16. Missouri
17. Tennesee
18. Auburn
19. California
20. Boise State
21. Oregon
22. Maryland
23. Oklahoma State
24. TCU
25. Purdue

[Noop]

I wasn't going to saying but Florida over Florida State is odd to me....

[HerRealName]

Based on my estimate of team strength - not predicted finish:

1. Georgia
2. Oklahoma
3. LSU
4. USC
5. FSU
6. Texas
7. Miami
8. Ohio State
9. Michigan
10. Florida
11. Tennessee
12. Auburn
13. Iowa
14. Oklahoma State
15. Virginia
16. Missouri
17. NC State
18. West Virginia
19. Minnesota
20. Clemson
21. Wisconsin
22. Oregon
23. Purdue
24. Maryland
25. Cal

[JeeberD]

I'll get mine in later in the week...

[vex]

Originally Posted by Noop

I wasn't going to saying but Florida over Florida State is odd to me....

I did the same, but just barely.

[Noop]

I am sorry but Florida is not a Top-10 team at all... I would put Iowa over them easy... I can't understand why people are so in love with Chris Leak....

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Noop

I am sorry but Florida is not a Top-10 team at all... I would put Iowa over them easy... I can't understand why people are so in love with Chris Leak....

Next time I'll let you see my picks, make the necessary changes that you suggest, and I'll post them that way. Lord knows I don't want to upset you anymore.

[Archer219]

1. Oklahoma
2. Georgia
3. USC
4. Miami
5. Kansas State
6. LSU
7. Texas
8. Missouri
9. Ohio State
10. Clemson
11. Iowa
12. Florida State
13. Tennessee
14. Florida
15. Cal
16. Oregon
17. Auburn
18. Michigan
19. West Virginia
20. NC State
21.Minnesota
22. TCU
23. Wisconsin
24. Louisville
25. Toledo

[Noop]

Originally Posted by duckman

Next time I'll let you see my picks, make the necessary changes that you suggest, and I'll post them that way. Lord knows I don't want to upset you anymore.

Roll your eyes all you want. But that one just ruffled my feathers... wasn't meant as a personal shot to you or anyone. Although I strongly disagree with you placing them that high.

[VPI97]

1. Texas
2. LSU
3. Miami
4. Georgia
5. Michigan
6. Oklahoma
7. Florida State
8. USC
9. Ohio State
10. Kansas State
11. California
12. Clemson
13. Iowa
14. Florida
15. Maryland
16. Missouri
17. Tennessee
18. Virginia Tech
19. Virginia
20. West Virginia
21. Oregon
22. Auburn
23. Wisconsin
24. Nebraska
25. NC State

[vex]

VPI, Now THAT has to be the craziest poll I've seen.

Why Florida over FSU? One player: Chris Rix.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Noop

I am sorry but Florida is not a Top-10 team at all... I would put Iowa over them easy... I can't understand why people are so in love with Chris Leak....

Sophmore Chris Leak > Senior Chris Rix

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by vexroid

VPI, Now THAT has to be the craziest poll I've seen.

I really have no idea why you would say that....it's the same as most, except that I think UT will beat Oklahoma, UF is third best in their conference, and I know USC will drop an early game due to their inexperienced line. Those aren't reaches.

[Noop]

Chris Leak better then Chris Rix oh gosh... the hype machine is out in full force. Although Rix is still a memeber of the Seminoles we still can beat Florida and have done so twice in a row would have been three but they had gave up. But whatever you can believe what you want to believe but Chris Leak in my opinion is very average.

[HornedFrog Purple]

1. USC
2. Georgia
3. Oklahoma
4. LSU
5. Ohio State
6. Florida State
7. Miami
8. Texas
9. Michigan
10. Virginia
11. Florida
12. Clemson
13. West Virginia
14. California
15. Iowa
16. Auburn
17. Kansas State
18. Utah
19. Oregon
20. Maryland
21. Louisville
22. Virginia Tech
23. NC State
24. TCU
25. Tennessee/Toledo

[HornedFrog Purple]

dola

couldnt find a place to put Missouri, but I am so sure they are going to lose a couple games they should win, I put Kansas State instead

[Cuckoo]

1. Oklahoma
2. USC
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. Florida State
6. Texas
7. Miami
8. Ohio State
9. Michigan
10. Florida
11. Kansas State
12. Cal
13. Auburn
14. Iowa
15. Tennessee
16. West Virginia
17. Clemson
18. Virginia
19. Missouri
20. Oregon
21. Oklahoma State
22. Maryland
23. Minnesota
24. Nebraska
25. Wisconsin

[Huckleberry]

1 USC
2 Miami FL
3 LSU
4 Oklahoma
5 Florida St
6 Georgia
7 Michigan
8 Ohio St
9 Kansas St
10 Florida
11 Iowa
12 Texas
13 Tennessee
14 Virginia Tech
15 Clemson
16 Auburn
17 Maryland
18 Minnesota
19 California
20 Virginia
21 Purdue
22 West Virginia
23 Boise St
24 Oregon
25 TCU

[cartman]

Bump...

Wow!!! Not a single game has been played yet, and the passions are already running high!!! Should be an entertaining season that is upcoming...

[GoldenEagle]

Memphis haters.

(Excepct vex)

[vex]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Memphis haters.

(Excepct vex)

I think with Wimprine and Williams, they might be able to do some things this year.

I can see them going 7-4 easily. 9-2 at best with losses to Ole Miss and either UAB or Houston.

[Noop]

Memphis is gangsta... I use them in my NCAA Dynasty right after I made Florida State and UCLA National Powers....

[cartman]

bump...

[Sharpieman]

1. USC
2. Miami FL
3. LSU
4. Oklahoma
5. Michigan
6. Florida State
7. Georgia
8. Texas
9. Kansas State
10. Ohio State
11. Florida
12. Tennessee
13. West Virginia
14. California
15. Iowa
16. Missouri
17. Auburn
18. Maryland
19. Minnesota
20. Clemson
21. Virginia
22. Utah
23. Oregon
24. Wisconsin
25. Virginia Tech

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Noop

Memphis is gangsta... I use them in my NCAA Dynasty right after I made Florida State and UCLA National Powers....

UCLA should hire you and fire Dorrell!

[pennywisesb]

1. USC
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. Georgia
5. Miami
6. Texas
7. Florida St.
8. Michigan
9. Clemson
10. Florida
11. West Virginia
12. California
13. Ohio St.
14. Kansas State
15. Oregon
16. Virginia
17. Missouri
18. Tennessee
19. Iowa
20. Wisconson
21. Auburn
22. Maryland
23. Nebraska
24. Purdue
25. TCU

[pennywisesb]

Dola: I want to know people's justification for not voting USC #1. I think you are all in for a big surprise. I can maybe see Oklahoma, but some of these other choices, such as Georgia are a bit out there if you ask me.

[vex]

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

Dola: I want to know people's justification for not voting USC #1. I think you are all in for a big surprise. I can maybe see Oklahoma, but some of these other choices, such as Georgia are a bit out there if you ask me.

Might I ask how exactly a team that split the title suprise people?

And here is a pretty good reason to not vote USC #1, their first scrimmage:


http://www.dailynews.com/cda/article...335715,00.html

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by vexroid

Might I ask how exactly a team that split the title suprise people?

And here is a pretty good reason to not vote USC #1, their first scrimmage:


http://www.dailynews.com/cda/article...335715,00.html

Surprise the people who didn't rank them first. Oh btw, a tired arm isn't enough for me to not put them #1. USCs RBs are 3 of the best in the country and our defense is pretty good too. Also, Leinhert's numbers weren't that bad considering he was 12-19 for 81 yards which is pretty efficient.

[Cuckoo]

I think it's a tough call between USC and OU right now at number one. I probably agree with one of the AP poll voters who said something to the effect that if USC has Williams, they'd be number one. Without him, they're just slightly behind OU. Georgia and LSU are both good teams, but I don't see how someone could put them number one ahead of USC or OU. That's just my opinion, though.

[Noop]

OU should not be number 1 in my opinion they lost twice in a row while USC has proceeded to dismantle all who have come to them(save Cal) USC is going to the Orange Bowl because no one they play will give them a game other then maybe Virgina Tech and Cal. Oklahoma is a top five team without a doubt but I don't think they are number especially after last season when they were hail as the greatest them ever until they ran into Kansas State and LSU. No offense to OU fans just my opinion you my proceed to rip my team all you want. Spank You Very Much.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Noop

OU should not be number 1 in my opinion they lost twice in a row while USC has proceeded to dismantle all who have come to them(save Cal) USC is going to the Orange Bowl because no one they play will give them a game other then maybe Virgina Tech and Cal. Oklahoma is a top five team without a doubt but I don't think they are number especially after last season when they were hail as the greatest them ever until they ran into Kansas State and LSU. No offense to OU fans just my opinion you my proceed to rip my team all you want. Spank You Very Much.

I won't rip your team, nor can I say much for Oklahoma's tremendous fall last year as they had a number of problems develop near the end of last season, not the least of which was White's injury which was significant.

However, that doesn't change this year's forecast, in my opinion. White is completely healthy, has lost about 15 pounds, and is considerably more mobile than he's been in the past. The offensive line is a veteran one and has been outstanding in scrimmages so far. The wide receivers are game-breakers, and young Adrian Peterson looks like a phenom. The defense lost some big names but has some very good talent stepping in.

I can definitely see how someone would rank them number one.

[Huckleberry]

Goodness, not the White injury crap again.

Please explain how the injury forced White to make shitty decisions in the last two games. It wasn't his arm. An injury doesn't force you to throw back across your body to the center of the field into the endzone and get picked off, blowing your team's chance to score. An injury doesn't force you to throw a sideline route straight into a double team in the national championship game, setting your opponent up with yet another short field. An injury doesn't force you throw the same slant route you threw all year except this time right into the arms of Marcus Spears because they've actually scouted your tendencies.

OU is and will be fantastic, but give up the White injury crying. Hell, you should expect a White injury every year by now.

And while Peterson will be great, how exactly has he been looking like a phenom while standing in a sling on the sidelines?

OU can expect another Big XII Championship and another BCS Bowl game with a probable win. I just get tired of the excuses from the "No Excuses" school. It seems that in every year except 2000 Oklahoma has "had a number of issues develop" near the end of the year. In the coming month I am sure we will hear how this is Stoops' best team ever at Oklahoma. Which, for the past 3 seasons, has guaranteed nothing but two second half losses.

Their defense will be just as salty as last year because Dvoracek is better than Harris, Mitchell will be back, and Strait was a very good CB made great by the system (only had to play the receiver's first move in his zone). As of right now I see an 11-1 Big XII Championship type year for the Sooners.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Goodness, not the White injury crap again.

Please explain how the injury forced White to make shitty decisions in the last two games. It wasn't his arm. An injury doesn't force you to throw back across your body to the center of the field into the endzone and get picked off, blowing your team's chance to score. An injury doesn't force you to throw a sideline route straight into a double team in the national championship game, setting your opponent up with yet another short field. An injury doesn't force you throw the same slant route you threw all year except this time right into the arms of Marcus Spears because they've actually scouted your tendencies.

OU is and will be fantastic, but give up the White injury crying. Hell, you should expect a White injury every year by now.

And while Peterson will be great, how exactly has he been looking like a phenom while standing in a sling on the sidelines?

OU can expect another Big XII Championship and another BCS Bowl game with a probable win. I just get tired of the excuses from the "No Excuses" school. It seems that in every year except 2000 Oklahoma has "had a number of issues develop" near the end of the year. In the coming month I am sure we will hear how this is Stoops' best team ever at Oklahoma. Which, for the past 3 seasons, has guaranteed nothing but two second half losses.

Their defense will be just as salty as last year because Dvoracek is better than Harris, Mitchell will be back, and Strait was a very good CB made great by the system (only had to play the receiver's first move in his zone). As of right now I see an 11-1 Big XII Championship type year for the Sooners.

Wow, you may have some anger management issues, but I'll do my best to explain calmly and rationally to you.

I never said that White's injury was the sole reason for their demise last season. I simply said that it wasn't the least of their issues. I completely agree that he made some horrible decisions, but if you can honestly deny that he was not the same quarterback those last two games with his shoulder hurting, you weren't paying attention. He couldn't go over the top like he could in previous games to stretch out the defense, and he pressed to make throws. Combine that with a running game that absolutely disappeared, and OU's offense fell apart.

And again, you must not be paying much attention because Peterson was turning a lot of heads, including Stoops before he hurt his shoulder last weekend. A number of national writers have commented on his abilities and all seem to agree that he will make a big difference for an OU offense who hasn't had a running back with his talent in a long time.

I don't make excuses for Oklahoma. I am a Sooner fan, and I was shocked by the way they fell apart last season, but I watched every game, and I feel like I can offer an objective comment on their performance. I don't call them excuses. I call them contributing factors, and there were a number of them.

[Noop]

Cuckoo your a cool guy. I must admit you are handling this very classy and I respect that about if only the rest of the OU nation which roams the internet were like you. Now last season I said to TroyF and many other posters OU would not win the national championship. I was told I was flat out wrong but I knew they were going to fall somewhere because of one reason Alabama. The rest of the games OU played they kept their starters in game until I believe the mid- to late 3rd qt....now if your up 40 - nothing at half why not sit the kids? Nope ole Stoops ran up the score making it seem as if they were really world beaters. I see a 10-2 season for OU...*excuse my spelling*

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Noop

Cuckoo your a cool guy. I must admit you are handling this very classy and I respect that about if only the rest of the OU nation which roams the internet were like you. Now last season I said to TroyF and many other posters OU would not win the national championship. I was told I was flat out wrong but I knew they were going to fall somewhere because of one reason Alabama. The rest of the games OU played they kept their starters in game until I believe the mid- to late 3rd qt....now if your up 40 - nothing at half why not sit the kids? Nope ole Stoops ran up the score making it seem as if they were really world beaters. I see a 10-2 season for OU...*excuse my spelling*

Well, I appreciate that Noop. Most of the OU fans I know are like me actually, so you must be hitting the bottom of the barrel with internet Sooner fans.

I may have been one of the ones to tell you that you were flat out wrong about OU last year, in fact. I probably wouldn't have said that at the beginning of the season, but by the end, I was absolutely convinced that they would, without a doubt in my mind. But, that's why they play the games. It's amazing what can happen.

I do agree with you that Stoops probably left his starters in too long in some games, but I don't think that was because of running up the score necessarily. In fact, from watching the games, they became noticeably more conservative in their offense after half time if they had a sizeable lead. Honestly, I just think that Stoops doesn't replace his starters before the fourth quarter regardless of the lead. I can't remember a time when he has.

As for this year, I honestly have no idea, but I can certainly see an undefeated season. Their schedule is more favorable for it than it was last year with Oregon really being the only major non-conference threat. But, as we've seen with them in recent years, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, or someone else could be a stumbling block. And even though they have had a great run against Texas, I can still remember when they couldn't beat the Longhorns for about three or four years in a row at least, so I don't ever take that for granted. But as for two easily predictable losses on their schedule, I just don't see it.

[Cuckoo]

DOLA

After glancing at their schedule again, they do play at Kansas State which definitely won't be easy.

[IMetTrentGreen]

ou has some fatal flaws that more and more teams are finding out about. i am shocked it took this long and still 90% of the teams are clueless as to what to do against them, but whatever. texas still won't beat them, ksu might, but more than likely they are big 12 champs again, and will lose to whatever team they play in the MNC game

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

ou has some fatal flaws that more and more teams are finding out about. i am shocked it took this long and still 90% of the teams are clueless as to what to do against them, but whatever. texas still won't beat them, ksu might, but more than likely they are big 12 champs again, and will lose to whatever team they play in the MNC game

I agree that they had some major flaws last year of which Baylor, of all teams, exposed many. I don't know, though, whether they'll have the same flaws this year. All indications are that the offensive line is stellar, and Stoops and company are reportedly really emphasizing tackling, which absolutely killed them at the end of the season last year. In my opinion, it was their biggest weakness at the end after being such a strength all season long. Who knows what happened.

I'm not getting too confident, though, about a lot of the teams they play. Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Nebraska are all wild-card in my opinion. I just don't know what to expect from them yet. And like I said, I never count on beating Texas despite what they've done recently. UT's quarterback is going to be very, very good, if he's not already.


EDIT: Boy, we've thoroughly threadjacked this one now, haven't we.

[duckman]

I think tackling was the main culprit for the two game slide. There were several occasions a defender had them 'tackled' but failed to get their arms around them and plant the ball carrier. If you get lazy with fundamental against excellent football teams then you deserve to lose.

[Huckleberry]

Not sure why you think I'm angry. I just respond when I see anyone take the intellectually lazy way out in explaining a team's failures.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Not sure why you think I'm angry. I just respond when I see anyone take the intellectually lazy way out in explaining a team's failures.

You sounded pretty bitter to me. Perhaps I just read into it.

And I'm not sure how I took the intellectually lazy way out of explaining their problems at all. I said they had a number of problems last year, and that White's injury was one of them. You seemed to have taken it that I said White's injury was the only one of them.

[IMetTrentGreen]

white's injury was a by-product of a bigger problem last year, pass protection. i keep saying this hoping it will sink in. its no coincidence that oklahoma lost to the first two teams that could actually rush the passer. i said ksu might beat ou (for many reasons, one of them being bill knows how to beat that defense since he taught it to the stoops boys), but didnt think they would since they hadn't before, and i outright picked lsu to beat them for that very reason

white got injured due to a weakness, one that hasn't been fixed, from what i hear. he didnt become a weakness when he got hurt. he has never been good. he won't be good this year, but unless texas gets its act together and ksu can replace the folk they lost, i will be just some nut typing to nobody on the internet, becuase it won't show

i am not happy with how this post turned out but i think the point comes across

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

white got injured due to a weakness, one that hasn't been fixed, from what i hear.

Not sure what publications you're reading or what practices you're attending, but I hear quite the opposite.

Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

he didnt become a weakness when he got hurt. he has never been good. he won't be good this year...

... There's just really no point if this what you believe. We're just too far off to carry on a discussion.

[IMetTrentGreen]

well first off, the run game sucked last year, the pass protection was ok as long as they weren't playing anyone, and as far as i know there are no new starters, they lost their best recruit to grades, and vince carter is hurt. the sooner staff is always saying "this will be our best __________ ever." so i can't even believe them. sooner fans are even stupider. i know what i see, and i have others who i trust who have seen it. publications are worthless

and if you really think that a player who wasnt good 3 years ago, who wasnt good 2 years ago, can suddenly win the heisman, then due to "injury," suddenly make bad decisions and inaccurate throws against the first two teams that can put pressure on him, more power to you. not only were they bad decision, but they were slow abd decisions, plus he couldnt escape a pass rush from me and a drunk troyf

if you *really* think that, i mean honestly believe it, then i have no problem having a communication gap with you