POTUS 2024 - Biden vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

It won't be Biden's fault despite what they'll all tell themselves.

It's never the candidates fault for being unable to secure enough votes to win. It's everyone else's fault!

[PilotMan]

I find the game of hot potato that biden and trump are playing with RFK Jr to be odd, and amazing.

[albionmoonlight]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ntial-debates/

It'll never happen. Trump can't give a TelePrompted speech without slurring or getting confused. His handlers won't let him near a debate stage.

[albionmoonlight]

dola: But smart of Biden to call him out like this. He needs to keep the pressure up.

[Lathum]

Biden needs to continue to challenge him but it doesn't matter. The right wing media machine will spin it that Trump is challenging Biden and sleepy Joe is afraid and too old and feeble.

[albionmoonlight]

I agree. Biden needs to pretty much go around the media on this--do as much as he can to try and talk to the voters directly.

I like it b/c it's kind of a double win for Biden if he pulls it off. It undercuts the idea that he is feeble and confused because he is the one pushing for a debate. And it undercuts the idea that Trump is some sort of tough guy b/c Trump is the one ducking it.

Of course, the Trump handlers will make some totally unreasonable demands like having Joe Rogan moderate or something, and then they will blame Biden's people for not agreeing to it. And the media will bothsides it.

But there's enough political upside here that I am glad Biden is trying.

[RainMaker]

There has been some buzz over Haley as the VP pick. Trump shot it down so not sure if it's coming from the Haley camp hoping she gets picked or just some in the establishment looking for Trump to throw them a bone.

It'd be the smartest thing Trump could do which is why he won't do it. He can hate her all he wants but that would devastate the Biden campaign.

[GrantDawg]

It is interesting that both want to exclude the Council for Presidential Debates. No in-person audiences, just the debaters and moderators.

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[Edward64]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I don't want Trump to win and I will not be voting for him. Neither major candidate is interested in my vote and that's fair. Candidates can cater to the voters they want.

So who are you voting for?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Edward64

So who are you voting for?

I'll just skip the race and vote in the other ones. Illinois doesn't require you to vote in every race.

[Edward64]

Always easy to attack.

How about in a perfect world, who would be your candidate? Living, eligible to run for president etc.

[Edward64]

Looking forward to the supposed Jun & Sep debates.

Dreading it some but I can see it help Joe if he holds his own. If it’s a bad day, he gets confused etc. I can see it really hurt him.

But the public deserves at least one debate.

[RainMaker]

Out of people who could conceivably run, I think JB Pritzker or Phil Murphy would make good candidates. Maybe Sherrod Brown or Katie Porter. I don't know. Dems haven't exactly been building up their bench over the years.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It is interesting that both want to exclude the Council for Presidential Debates. No in-person audiences, just the debaters and moderators.

Republicans quit the CPD in 2022 because they said it was biased. Biden wants to avoid it because their criteria could include RFK Jr.