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07-16-2015, 05:42 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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The Scout & The Agent (FBCB/PB)
I changed my mind the premise here.
Basically I want to sim fast and watch a bunch of players develop and see how their careers evolve without any intervention from me once I create them. So here's idea: - I create a few recruits each year and follow them through college and the pros. - In addition, I pick a few draft entrants each year outside of the Top 200 and "sign them" to my sports agency. - Obviously the goal is to identify dudes who are unheralded and end up going on to have good careers. Last edited by Young Drachma : 07-16-2015 at 07:04 PM. |
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07-16-2015, 05:59 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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I'm going to control the storylines of the players, but if you would like me to create a recruit for you in-game, I am happy to do it. They would be a high school student from NS and will enter the game the following season after you post or whatever.
Player name: High School: Height: Weight: Player mold: (Name 1 active player to base your player's style off of.) Injuries in this league are at 200%, as are academic suspensions. There are a lot of teams and I'm not playing any of the games so for voyeurism purposes it's better this way. |
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07-16-2015, 06:33 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Our first two HS recruits are a 5-star recruit named Ricardo Ellison who plays for Keyport West. Paul Waechter plays at Midburn School and is a senior exchange student from Germany rated a 3-star recruit.
We'll follow their recruiting progress and just sim through this first season since they won't be in college yet. The idea behind me creating my own players to track is the game doesn't do a great of modeling for those "role" type players and there also aren't very many creep-up slow growth talents that you see in real life because it's hard to model for in the game. There are just plain guys that scouts miss who end up being elite, but to me, that's not the same as a guy who enters college a 3-star guy and leaves as a lottery pick because he ended up on the right team and developed into that. It's hard to model that in FBCB because if you give a guy too much potential, he'll get drafted on it even if he never materializes it. I'm basically trying to see if it's possible to over time, create a range of players from a Jeremy Lin type to productive role players to even a Scottie Pippen type player. I'd just like to see the draft classes get less predictable. If I can do that, then I'm going to embark on making actual fictional draft classes of my own. That's what this is going to culminate in. Is me actually building out a fictional draft classes that people can download, complete with scouting information and so forth. I mean obviously you'd be able to edit them yourself and do things, but if you played them vanilla, it'd be interesting to see how things turned out. It's probably the one thing missing from now from the game and while everyone can generate their own, it's hard to really care about those players because it's so variable and because of the aforementioned issues. Last edited by Young Drachma : 07-16-2015 at 07:37 PM. |
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07-16-2015, 07:11 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Guys have to stay in colllege at least 2 years before getting drafted though I might change that rule and let HS kids back into the draft because the variables will be higher and more of a chance of flame outs.
The idea is for me to also sign some pre draft kids and see how they do. We start off with $250k. Each guy we sign will pay us a 3% agent fee if they are US based. Overseas guys will pay us 6% because no caps on agent salaries and it's harder to place them. For anyone making the NBA, we get a commission (5%) on their endorsement contract too, which we will calculate once we have someone get that far. Each dude we sign costs an initial 20k because of the upfront costs we pay out to get them ready for the draft. Here's the price increase the more elite the prospect: (Lottery slot dudes +100k) (1st rounders 25k) (2nd rounders 10k) We use the mock draft in game to determine this and we don't get this money back if they don't get drafted or whatever. |
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07-16-2015, 07:50 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Just simmed the 2002-03 season. Ellison signed with Hawaii, who are apparently two years removed from a Final Four in this save. Waechter signed with Northern Iowa.
Players are now eligible to leave as recruits starting this year, so...I'm going to assemble my first group of potential signees. The trick is, I have to list my guys I want to sign BEFORE I import them into the pro game. If a dude doesn't make it into the file, I lose the money I paid to get him ready for the draft and I don't get it back on him. So I have to be discerning when I do this, especially for this first year. I will also post their player cards post-college and again in the pro game. |
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07-16-2015, 08:06 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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The quirk of this omnibus player file is there are something like 5000+ college players so the drafts are deep but it means that dudes who might peak in other leagues don't in this one because the files are deep and so it's hard to know really who to bet on, especially since I haven't really done anything with this file in at least a year and I barely remember it besides building it.
Because I want to sim -- and it won't do it if you have an active coach -- I'm going to go ahead and pick my guys now. If anyone from N.S. goes pro, I get dibs on them first, but we can also refuse to sign them because of $ reasons or whatever. Anyone else I put on this we have to commit to unless he's injured when I export (does that even happen?) 2003-04 AGENCY SIGNEES SF Daron Mason, UMass (SR) PF Darrell Perez, LSU (SR) SG Amos Pope, Drake (SR) C William Saleh, UNC (SR) |
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07-16-2015, 08:11 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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The lone recruit from NS this year is PG Snoopy D'Jardin from James Baldwin High School. He's a 4-star recruit. (6'2, 151 lbs.)
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07-16-2015, 08:31 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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So last year a 1st rounder got a 3-year deal for $12.6 million. A 2nd rounder on the same team got a one-year deal worth $917k.
The overseas leagues in my game were a bit punch drunk because I didn't set this league up to do what I'm doing with it now. I've lowered the overseas salaries dramatically, so we'll see how they adjust for anyone who ends up over there later on. |
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07-16-2015, 10:32 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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SNOOPY D'JARDIN is heading to Carnegie Mellon
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07-16-2015, 11:14 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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The board hates when you use the spoiler tag with too many [code] brackets. Erased all of my content I had. grr.
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07-16-2015, 11:24 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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SF Daron Mason, UMass (SR)
PF Darrell Perez, LSU (SR) SG Amos Pope, Drake (SR) C William Saleh, UNC (SR) SF Ricardo Ellison, Hawaii (FR) SG Tony Weeks, Houston (JR) What I typed earlier is, of all of our six players only Ellison and Perez are rated within the top 50 recruits of their draft year. Everyone else is rated well outside of the Top 200 or so, meaning I have no idea if they'll even end up in the player file at all. But true to the initial rule, we'll pay for each player and once I convert file, we'll see who actually makes it to the possibility of a contract SOMEWHERE and whether we'll recoup anything on our deal. Ellison is at least right now projected as a 1st rounder and potentially a lottery pick. Perez projects as a low-first rounder, so we're going to charge another 25k as if the's going to actually cost that. All total, we're spending 245k on draft prep for our six guys and it appears that only two of them realistically have a shot of making the file. It's a good exercise in learning how to scout better next time. If the kid from NS wasn't bailing us out, we'd be dead in the water. And I still don't actually know where he'll end up. One way to find out. |
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07-16-2015, 11:29 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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2003 MOCK DRAFT
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If this is right, we'd end up with two first rounders with one as a lottery pick. Not a bad start to the agency. I'd still love to see one of those other guys actually end up managing to play overseas or maybe get picked up as UDFA and end up on a team because that'd be fun to follow along with. But as it looks right now, we're not sure they're going to be in the file. I'm about to do the export and then we'll find out once and for who made it. |
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07-16-2015, 11:41 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Ellison and Perez made the file. But we were also lucky that Amos Pope made the file too.
Here are their player cards: Code:
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07-16-2015, 11:43 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Here's the draft order for the 2003 draft slash here are the teams in this particular setup (which is an old league I had just like the college league is a legacy file)
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07-16-2015, 11:46 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Here's the last mock draft of 2003. Ellison predicted to go #2 overall the Spurs, Perez projected #15 to Virginia. Pope is slated as an early 2nd round selection also to San Antonio, which means he could fall further or he could end up creeping to the bottom of the 1st round.
We flushed $60k in the toilet on guys who won't ever play pro basketball at all, but good lesson and it could've been way worse had we not lucked into the geographic lottery pick. We won't be that lucky in the future as I'm going to create a new house rule that bars me from taking anymore of the kids from Nueva Serena if they are 4 or 5-star rated recruits coming out of HS.
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07-17-2015, 12:44 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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 I wrote a lot and it went away again. But long story short: I went back through the mock draft to compare and two guys who weren't rated anywhere either 1) on the mock draft at all or 2) rated higher went into the lottery. 14th overall pick Darrell Tran came out of nowhere to Philly. 15th overall Brooks Dale out of Wayne State was the first PG taken in the draft. What I was saying is, I want to see if we can't do some of that. It'll be a crap shoot but that's precisely the point. We have some cushion going into next year, but will have to keep earning if we want to keep working guys out and getting them into the program. Last edited by Young Drachma : 07-17-2015 at 12:47 AM. |
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07-17-2015, 10:26 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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2005-06 HS RECRUIT
SF Joel Nilsson, Sweden (5-star recruit) |
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07-17-2015, 10:58 AM
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Dark Cloud
Join Date: Apr 2001
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The college league is always a season ahead of my pro league mostly so I can stock it properly.
2004-05 AGENCY SIGNEES PG DAMON CARVAJAL ARMY (#31) C bUDDY FOSTER RICE (#21) SG JOHN REEDER CW POST PG PAT QUIGLEY GONZAGA C ALEX FRANKLIN LSU (JR) (#43) PF FREDDIE MOLINAR GRAND CANYON PG RANDELL MONAHAN GRAND CANYON Of the guys I picked and I had to pick them blind because I simmed before i was able to look at the player cards, so I just picked on awards/mock draft positioning, only three were in the pre-draft Stock Report Mock Draft. It has Rice and Carvajal as low-first rounder projected and LSU's Alex Franklin who signed with us after his buddy went with us last year and did well as a 2nd rounder. The other guys are all fliers who I don't even know if they made the file or not. So that's 7 dudes at a base price of $20k for a total of $140k expended just out front. The two first-round projected are an additional 50k and the 2nd round projected is 10k, so the total for this cycle is $200k even. Also I did the math wrong on the above screenshot. That "bonus" section was supposed to be our calcuated 5% off of the endorsements, but I was already calculating it manually in the endorsement section, so it was redundant and it was shortchanging us by a lot. I've fixed it now.  That 3/4th million bucks seems like a lot until we realize that we don't get anymore if none of our guys get drafted and we're not getting another lottery pick so it'll be harder to do that again. |
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07-17-2015, 11:06 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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The three mock draft guys of course made the file. I was hoping John Reeder would, he was a monster scorer but he was too low level. Neither of the Grand Canyon guys did either, that program made the Final Four so I hoped the game would look past them being in the WAC but so much for that.
Pat Quigley did make the file, however. He along with Carvajal, Foster and Franklin means we get 4 draft eligible guys this time. According to the last mock draft, Quigley, Carvajal and Foster are all potential first-rounders, Franklin is a projected 2nd rounder still. I'm learning that you should always bet on guards to shoot up the draft because that was pretty much my strategy with picking them. We'll see how it pans out, though and see where they project to be. |
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07-17-2015, 11:12 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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the colors in the game always confused me until I made my own order for best to worst:
Purple/Black/Gray/Blue/Pink/White Last edited by Young Drachma : 07-17-2015 at 11:48 AM. |
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07-17-2015, 11:18 AM
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Dark Cloud
Join Date: Apr 2001
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   Just wanted you to see none of them are rated as world beaters or were even edited.  So three 1st rounders is a new high for the agency. Not bad in year 2. Alex Franklin went near the top half of the 2nd round. Time to count up our haul on this episode of the show. The college season is almost over meanwhile, so I can take a look at the crop and begin to plot our next group. |
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07-17-2015, 11:48 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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TOTAL COMMISSIONS (Minus pre-draft expenses and missed prospects)
2004-05: $981,556 2005-06: $785,755 This year we did better because we picked two guys who weren't rated as lottery picks and they became them, specifically Carvajal. Striking out on three others guys is never fun, but at least so far we're doing well on the whole picking thing. Next year, I'm going to insert the foreign element by looking at some of the non-NBA guys who have never been in the draft, sign them and see if we can't get them onto an NBA roster. |
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07-17-2015, 06:16 PM
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Dark Cloud
Join Date: Apr 2001
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2006-07 SIGNING SEASON
I'm not creating any recruits for this upcoming period, mostly so we can better scout who is already out there. Snoopy D'Jardin is still at Carnegie Mellon after redshirting, he just finished his first year and averaged about 3 PPG in limited action. He's going to be joined by our Swedish recruit Joel Nilsson who was the #43 recruit globally this year. SIGNING INTERNATIONAL PLAYERS If we want to sign international guys here's how it's going to cost us: $100k per country (If we sign a guy from Germany and a guy from Latvia, that's $200k) $50k up front fee per recruit $100k expenses fee for stealing them from their European agent and for paying whoever is running interference for us over there. So each foreign recruit from a new country is $250k. After that, it's just $150k. We'd do better if they weren't going into the draft, but since they're being drafted they're going to make us less than if they were on the open market in most cases. That's kind of the hitch to this whole model, but I'm interested in seeing whether we can sign a Euro guy who can supplant the mock draft because of their potential/talent. Before we take a look at our international signees, here's this year's college crop: The best of them is PF Silas Chapman who is rated #27 overall in this draft class. He was a three-year player at UChicago who is a volume shooter with a long frame (6'9") and good shooting stroke. He projects mid-first at the moment, but the hope is he can elevate once the draft camps happen. The only other Top 50 recruit on the list UGA's Senator Teeter, a 6'4" junior shooting guard who had three productive years starting at UGA averaging 18.8 PPG. We've seen so many guards go high in these drafts and so my hope is his scoring abilities will propel him higher come draft time. The rest of our pickups are mostly fliers that I can't be sure will make it, but all had solid pedigrees in my estimation. SG Charles Rush out of Oregon State was Pac-12 Conference player of the year. He's one of those "he's not on anybody's mock draft list at the moment, but I hope he performs into a camp somewhere," type guy. The rest are mostly low-rated seniors who I'm just hoping can show up on Day 2 or in the file at all. They include: SF Royce Frost (St. Mary's), C Kemar Swafford (Nevada), C Nathan Neely (UNC), C Keenan Quimby (OK Panhandle St), PG Edward Hatten (UAB) Depending on who ends up making it to the draft combine and invited to the draft pool, will determine how much more detail I give you about any of them. I picked them based on stats -- the ratings are too subjective as I said so I basically ignore them except to give you scouting reports AFTER I've picked them -- and I try to use awards to give me some guidance as to whether they're accomplished or not. I'm hoping to bring in at least 2 Euro guys too. I need to look at what our options are though. I'll be bringing in some more elite Euros who won't be guys I sign, they'll probably screw up the mock draft order of my guys I'm hoping to sneak into the first round or lottery, but that's fine. |
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07-17-2015, 08:03 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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ACCORDING TO THE STOCK REPORT MOCK DRAFT:
So that's one low 1st rounder and 2nd rounders according to the mock draft projections. We'll see how that deviates closer to the actual draft. Hatten (#10 overall) Chapman (#25 overall) Neely (#41 overall) Teeter (#49 overall) Quimby (#57 overall) Swafford (NR) Hatten is the surprise of the projection period. Why I did pick him? I look for all-conference guys or CPOY types and when I do, I look at their recruit pedigree because in this league, there are so many recruits that there are legit guys who fall off the map in college and he was one of them. e'll see if that projection holds up come draft time, but it means we've gotta shell out more to keep him initially and I wasn't expecting to with him. That's five guys projected to make it to the stage on draft day and if so, a new record for us. Bear in mind that we still haven't managed to draft an elite player early and see him develop a la Steph Curry, so all of this initial success is nice, but we're still living on the margins here. I'll round out our class with two international guys. The first I found is 21-year old Chinese PG He Yue
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I doubt he'll get drafted, but he was our inroads to the country. $250k The next guy is Greek SF Nilo Siko who has spent the past two years as a pro in the Greek league. I think he is the kind of guy who could develop into a solid player and might even be a useful draft-and-stash for one of the teams that take him, depending on when he's picked up. I feel like he's got the potential to get picked up in the 1st round even. We had to pay another $250k
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The last is a Chinese HSer who is skipping the Chinese league altogether. His name is Sun Hsieh Code:
Hard to say what an undersized guy will be able to do if anything, but I'm curious to see if he can cash in on his raw potential now. |
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07-17-2015, 08:11 PM
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Dark Cloud
Join Date: Apr 2001
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I have one more last minute add. FBCB has this flaw where the draft file doesn't take ALL players from your league, it always imports a few added players who weren't part of your league at all to the draft file. It's irritating, but HR says there's a reason for it for leagues that aren't big enough and need enough players, but...there are almost always enough college guys imported into the game that this seems like an extra thing we don't want.
Nonetheless, one of them is a guy we're going to represent as a favor. I think he needs some overseas seasoning and I doubt he'll ever end up on a NBA roster, but it'll be interesting to follow his career because we haven't managed to put anyone in the overseas pipelines thus far from the States. So I'll be intrigued to see how he develops.
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07-17-2015, 08:26 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Because this is a 40-team NBA, technically the first 24 picks are "lottery picks" but the salaries decline pretty substantially outside of the traditional first 12-14 or so picks. So for our purposes, we'll say the Top 15 is a "lottery" pick.
Meanwhile..  Last edited by Young Drachma : 07-17-2015 at 08:28 PM. |
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07-20-2015, 08:12 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Baltimore MD
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