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Old 08-09-2011, 11:28 PM   #451
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I welcome dialogue with Chubby, but until he gets a little more rational and stops chasing shadows that may not happen.

Anyone else have questions?
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:28 PM   #452
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dola: If someone had it day one and already passed it they should come clean with who they passed it to.

It's clear that the NK is the last thing that happens each night phase so we can work out a strategy for each pass.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:31 PM   #453
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I welcome dialogue with Chubby, but until he gets a little more rational and stops chasing shadows that may not happen.

Anyone else have questions?

Yes, I have one. Is weaponized mistletoe the best phrase invented so far in this game?
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:33 PM   #454
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Yes, I have one. Is weaponized mistletoe the best phrase invented so far in this game?

It may be. Instead of standing under it and getting a kiss you stand under it and get a missile you know where.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:36 PM   #455
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Going to jump on FM and then get some sleep. Will check in tomorrow. Hopefully by the the person with the mistletoe will come forward and if there were any passing of the object. If not we can assume that a wolf has it.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:41 PM   #456
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I joined over there but I'm not going to post anything until I get the OK from JAG as I would hate to violate the spirit of the game.

The game topic I set up there is only viewable by people not currently in the game, so you are free to post whatever you want there without worrying that someone still playing will see it.
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:28 AM   #457
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Well...that wasnt the best night action
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:29 AM   #458
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It would be great if the person with the mistletoe comes forward. Please don't pass it yet. We can work out a plan from there.

I was given the mistletoe to start. It might be no longer in the game now though
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:32 AM   #459
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I was given the mistletoe to start. It might be no longer in the game now though

If you are getting at what I think you are getting at, I don't think that's a good thing. From the descriptions it sounds like too key an item to just no longer be in the game.
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:35 AM   #460
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Old 08-10-2011, 02:48 AM   #461
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I think you guys want kisses is all.
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Old 08-10-2011, 03:10 AM   #462
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Meh. Sucky first days suck.

For the benefit of Racer I live in Sweden and go to bed around 4:30 EST. So I have to decide where to leave my vote early every day.

And yeah, if there's no villager with an explanation of what happened in the vote we have to assume that it was a wolf action. Whether that action was to take out another villager and frame Danny at the same time (a la Jungle Book) or to save him remains to be seen but it doesn't look good for him.
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Old 08-10-2011, 03:13 AM   #463
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And like Hoops and Autumn I would probably have moved my vote to save Danny because I don't see any rhythm or reason in voting out one of our best villagers on day one.

Seems like Chubby's misinterpretation of Lathum's comments have grabbed most of the rest of attention here.
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Old 08-10-2011, 03:57 AM   #464
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DAY ONE

#67 22:03 Lathum votes Heinz (1)
#72 22:47 EagleFan votes Autumn (0)
#75 23:27 Barkeep votes EagleFan (1)
#80 00:30 Ntndeacon votes Danny (1)
#90 02:30 Narcizo votes Lathum (1)
#94 04:06 mckerney votes ntndeacon (1)
#97 07:03 Hoops votes EagleFan (2)


#106 09:36 Autumn votes chubby (1)
#117 10:11 Bhlloy votes chubby (2)
#126 10:52 Lathum unvotes Heinz (0)
#126 10:52 Lathum votes Danny (2)
#134 11:25 MrBug votes Zinto (1)
#147 11:47 Racer voes Thomkal (1)
#150 12:47 Heinz votes Racer (1)
#165 13:32 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1)
#165 13:32 EageFan votes Chubby (3)
#171 13:55 Zinto votes Lathum (2)

#174 14:20 Autumn unvotes Chubby (2)
#174 14:20 Autumn votes EagleFan (3)
#178 15:03 Telle votes Autumn (0)
#195 16:02 Chubby votes Lathum (3)
#204 16:53 Lathum unvotes Danny (1)
#204 16:53 Lathum votes Chubby (3)
#205 16:53 Telle unvotes Autumn (-1)
#205 16:53 Telle votes Danny (2)

#217 17:11 Heinz unvotes Racer (0)
#217 17:11 Heinz votes Danny (3)
#222 17:38 Racer unvotes Thomkal (0)
#222 17:38 Racer votes EagleFan (4)
#224 17:40 Thomkal votes Lathum (4)
#236 18:18 Darth Vilus votes Chubby (4)
#238 18:21 Dubb93 votes Danny (4)
#270 19:42 mau votes Danny (5)
#271 19:45 mau unvotes Danny (4)
#273 19:45 mau votes Chubby (5)
#276 19:46 J23 votes EagleFan (5)

#294 21:02 EagleFan unvotes Chubby (4)
#297 21:07 EagleFan votes Autumn (0)
#300 21:13 Lathum unvotes Chubby (3)
#300 21:13 Lathum votes EagleFan (6)
#307 21:25 Racer unvotes EagleFan (5)
#307 21:25 Racer votes Danny (5)

#308 21:33 EagleFan unvotes Autumn (-1)
#308 21:33 EagleFan votes Danny (6)
#309 21:34 Lathum unvotes EagleFan (4)
#309 21:34 Lathum votes Chubby (4)
#310 21:34 Danny votes EagleFan (5)
#320 21:48 Zinto unvotes Lathum (3)
#320 21:48 Zinto votes Danny (7)

#324 21:51 Danny unvotes EagleFan (4)
#324 21:51 Danny votes Chubby (5)
#344 22:00 Chubby unvotes Lathum (2)
#344 22:00 Chubby votes EagleFan (5)
#346 22:00 Danny unvotes Chubby (4)
#346 22:00 Danny votes
EagleFan (6)

Danny 7: ntndeacon (80), Telle (205), jeheinz72 (217), dubb93 (238), Racer (307), EagleFan (308), Zinto (320)
EagleFan 6: Barkeep49 (75), hoopsguy (97), Autumn (174), J23 (276), Chubby (344), Danny (346)
Chubby 4: bhlloy (117), Darth Vilus (236), mauboy1 (273), Lathum (309)
Lathum 2: Narcizo (90), Thomkal (224)
ntndeacon 1: mckerney (94)
Zinto 1: MrBug708 (134)
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Old 08-10-2011, 04:05 AM   #465
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Mckerney and Bug's votes are bogus but you can only really interpret them if we know if they were around the last couple of hours. I don't think I can see past Danny have two votes which would explain his hopping around. I guess Chubby moved his vote because he believed Lathum was the duke and he didn't want to be duked as second vote-getter.
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Old 08-10-2011, 04:09 AM   #466
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Mckerney and Bug's votes are bogus but you can only really interpret them if we know if they were around the last couple of hours. I don't think I can see past Danny have two votes which would explain his hopping around. I guess Chubby moved his vote because he believed Lathum was the duke and he didn't want to be duked as second vote-getter.

I was around, but saw no reason to change it. I made a semi random vote day one and left it there. If that's bogus to you, then so be it.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:06 AM   #467
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you should know

that's what I figured, i'm not a wolf so the item does me no good
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:08 AM   #468
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Mckerney and Bug's votes are bogus but you can only really interpret them if we know if they were around the last couple of hours. I don't think I can see past Danny have two votes which would explain his hopping around. I guess Chubby moved his vote because he believed Lathum was the duke and he didn't want to be duked as second vote-getter.

Yes.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:35 AM   #469
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I was around, but saw no reason to change it. I made a semi random vote day one and left it there. If that's bogus to you, then so be it.

How is it not bogus? You're avoiding committing your vote which makes it seem that you're scared how people will interpret it, which is a pretty tell-tale sign of a wolf.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:58 AM   #470
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If you're going to leave your vote on someone who isn't a candidate then you might as well not bother voting.

Ignoring Chubby's bickering at Lathum and the Danny situation® I think mau looked like he was having to deliberate waaaay too much for making a vote at that stage of the game. I know I can get worked up about voting when I'm a villager but something seemed off there. (posts 270-275). Seems like as good a place to look as anywhere else, other than Danny.

Vote mauboy

If Danny is bad I think we would do well to look at DV as well.
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Old 08-10-2011, 06:31 AM   #471
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Well...that wasnt the best night action

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I was given the mistletoe to start. It might be no longer in the game now though

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Wasnt much I could really do

Hmm, I've got the mistletoe - thought I was pretty transparent with my hints earlier - so I'm confused by these comments. I wanted to trust the person who came forward saying they had the mistletoe, but these comments don't make it easy for me to extend that trust blindly.

Also, I likely won't be around much at all today so I'm not sure how I'll collaborate on this. I'll try to take my laptop with me over lunch so I can sneak a peek at what EF's plan might be, and maybe get in an early vote.
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Old 08-10-2011, 07:46 AM   #472
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I'm not certain I agree here. It was likely someone who has a vote that double counted or didn't count, which aren't always exclusively wolf roles. Second, it appears there was probably a tie, a wolf could have wanted two villagers tied in hopes it would kill one and another villager from the tiebreaker.

If this is the case then I'm leaning towards thinking that the person with the double vote comes forward, otherwise we're left with the fact that some mechanism that no-one wants to own up to (ie very likely wolfy) saved Danny. I think we need the information unless it's Thor. (can't be Balder or Odin I presume).
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Old 08-10-2011, 07:47 AM   #473
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Hoops admitting he has the mistletoe makes me feel a bit of trust in him. But as he might have presumed that it was handed to him by a villager who'd reveal the fact later it's not a huge amount of trust.
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Old 08-10-2011, 07:53 AM   #474
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Well...that wasnt the best night action

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I was given the mistletoe to start. It might be no longer in the game now though

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Wasnt much I could really do

Well you could try actually telling us stuff instead of just making cryptic comments all the time. Did you pass the mistletoe to Hoops? Did you pass the mistletoe to Dubb? Did you forget to give an order for the mistletoe? I think those are the three explanations I can think of.
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Old 08-10-2011, 07:55 AM   #475
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Chubby, I think you're way off there. Lathum was talking about making a last minute vote switch like he has in some recent games. And that he thought Danny was the duke since Danny wasn't freaking out about getting lynched.

Yeah! Seriously. You'd have to work pretty hard to misinterpret that. Ditto with the Autumn/Eagle thing.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:14 AM   #476
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assuming there are 5 wolves we have almost a 1 in 4 chance of hitting one. And we have 4 candidates up there lol. probability says one of them is a wolf. funny how that works out

Was unexpectedly out for much of yesterday and am catching up now and have not read past this post so I don't know what happens. Just to do the math, because I think it's important in a situation like this, assuming 5 wolves in a 21 person game, with 4 candidates there is a only a 66% chance that one of the 4 candidates is a wolf.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:14 AM   #477
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I thought it was pretty obvious Lathum was implying I was the duke, not revealing that was himself.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:18 AM   #478
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I thought, coming into it at deadline, that it was very odd that we had Lathum, Danny and EF up as our top contenders, all people we normally wouldn't vote day one for good villagerness. Funny day.

That said, I'm afraid I can't see how I don't vote Danny here. Several signs point negatively towards him, and with a likely cunning in the game, and our seer possibly dead, our only way of clearing up voting, especially crazy voting like this, is going to be lynches.

VOTE DANNY

Can't blame you for this. FWIW, I am pretty sure I would vote me in this situation just to try and clear up what happened day 1.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:19 AM   #479
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If you're going to leave your vote on someone who isn't a candidate then you might as well not bother voting.

Ignoring Chubby's bickering at Lathum and the Danny situation® I think mau looked like he was having to deliberate waaaay too much for making a vote at that stage of the game. I know I can get worked up about voting when I'm a villager but something seemed off there. (posts 270-275). Seems like as good a place to look as anywhere else, other than Danny.

Vote mauboy

If Danny is bad I think we would do well to look at DV as well.

Mauboy's little run of lack of decisiveness did seem odd. I am little weary of voting him though and receiving the wraith of the Mau.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:20 AM   #480
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Well you could try actually telling us stuff instead of just making cryptic comments all the time. Did you pass the mistletoe to Hoops? Did you pass the mistletoe to Dubb? Did you forget to give an order for the mistletoe? I think those are the three explanations I can think of.

Mr. Bug made similar odd cryptic comments last game I believe and he turned up villager. I personally do not these types of comments either, but just pointing out that it seems the way he typically plays.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:22 AM   #481
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Day 1 Voting (as of Post 340):

Danny 7: ntndeacon (80), Telle (205), jeheinz72 (217), dubb93 (238), Racer (307), EagleFan (308), Zinto (320)
EagleFan 6: Barkeep49 (75), hoopsguy (97), Autumn (174), J23 (276), Chubby (344), Danny (346)
Chubby 4: bhlloy (117), Darth Vilus (236), mauboy1 (273), Lathum (309)
Lathum 2: Narcizo (90), Thomkal (224)
ntndeacon 1: mckerney (94)
Zinto 1: MrBug708 (134)
*Autumn -1:

I have two confirmed good on me at this point. In the event I am the lynch choice today, I would definitely look at the rest of those voters on me as there has to be at least one wolf I would think.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:33 AM   #482
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I was around, but saw no reason to change it. I made a semi random vote day one and left it there. If that's bogus to you, then so be it.
It's bogus to me. I try not to move my D1 vote, but when there is a 4 person race on d1 and your vote isn't on any of them surely you can find one of those 4 who you wouldn't mind voting for.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:37 AM   #483
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Day 1 Voting (as of Post 340):

Danny 7: ntndeacon (80), Telle (205), jeheinz72 (217), dubb93 (238), Racer (307), EagleFan (308), Zinto (320)

I have two confirmed good on me at this point. In the event I am the lynch choice today, I would definitely look at the rest of those voters on me as there has to be at least one wolf I would think.

There's an 80% chance of at least one of the remaining players on you being a wolf. Of course there's an 80% chance of at least 1 of any group of 5 people left in the game of being a wolf. But that said I agree that since wolves like to spread their votes one of the players on you is a wolf. I think this is true regardless of whether you're a wolf or not.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:40 AM   #484
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Yeah McKerney your reasoning is odd. It is too important not to have a throw away vote any day of the game since it is too hard to get a read on later.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:42 AM   #485
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I do not know what to make of the results of yesterday. I do not remember anything that Dubb said that would make him the night kill target. Danny surviving the lynch is also odd but I think we have covered most of the bases/theories of what could have happened.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:49 AM   #486
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Someone help me out here: wolf night action had to be submitted BEFORE lynch results? Yes?
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:50 AM   #487
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I am thinking that the best course of action is to vote for Danny or one of the Eagle voters. Danny since it clears up yesterdays late movements and such. One of the Eagle voters since he ended up being the lynch victim and I always assume there is at least one wolf there.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:53 AM   #488
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I know J23 is on our side, I don't know his role but I know he is clear if you knuckleheads duke me


I do not understand this, if you could explain it Chubby. If it is not important anymore/you do not want to yet then alright but it struck me as odd.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:55 AM   #489
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Deadline: 24 hr deadline is 10pm EST / 9pm CST / 7pm PST and whatever European time it is for Narcizo (open to change if people want, that seems to be the standard these days though). Votes and night actions at 10:00pm EST and earlier count, votes and night actions at 10:01pm EST do not count. Conditional night action orders are fine if you can't be there at deadline.

I am assuming so Barkeep.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:57 AM   #490
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Someone help me out here: wolf night action had to be submitted BEFORE lynch results? Yes?

This is a one deadline game, all actions have to be submitted by then.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:59 AM   #491
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Day 1 Voting (as of Post 340):

Danny 7: ntndeacon (80), Telle (205), jeheinz72 (217), dubb93 (238), Racer (307), EagleFan (308), Zinto (320)
EagleFan 6: Barkeep49 (75), hoopsguy (97), Autumn (174), J23 (276), Chubby (344), Danny (346)
Chubby 4: bhlloy (117), Darth Vilus (236), mauboy1 (273), Lathum (309)
Lathum 2: Narcizo (90), Thomkal (224)
ntndeacon 1: mckerney (94)
Zinto 1: MrBug708 (134)
*Autumn -1:

I have two confirmed good on me at this point. In the event I am the lynch choice today, I would definitely look at the rest of those voters on me as there has to be at least one wolf I would think.

I am going to vote someone who is on me. Looking at the list I most suspect the late voters, Jeheinz, Racer and Zinto. I rarely if ever get day 1 votes and I think the wolves took the chance to jump on me after a couple probably a couple of villagers got the ball rolling.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:01 AM   #492
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For now

Vote Jeheinz

Zinto's vote came in late and he may not have wanted to tie it up, so I think I would choose between Racer and Jeheinz. I am voting for Jeheinz over Racer due to vibe.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:11 AM   #493
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Ignoring Chubby's bickering at Lathum and the Danny situation® I think mau looked like he was having to deliberate waaaay too much for making a vote at that stage of the game. I know I can get worked up about voting when I'm a villager but something seemed off there. (posts 270-275). Seems like as good a place to look as anywhere else, other than Danny.

I was just talking to myself in-thread, basically. I agree though, looking back I probably deliberated over-the-top but I was trying to do what made the most sense even though nothing makes sense on day one it seems.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:15 AM   #494
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We are at the point where we need information and Danny gives us our best chance at finding anything out.

Vote Danny
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:17 AM   #495
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I'm not understanding your thinking Danny. If you're a villager then it was villager-villager so why are later voters on you suspicious? I would imagine Heinz and Racer aren't aware of your rep - if anything I'd be most suspicious of ntn.

Particularly if you're a wolf.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:20 AM   #496
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I'm not understanding your thinking Danny. If you're a villager then it was villager-villager so why are later voters on you suspicious? I would imagine Heinz and Racer aren't aware of your rep - if anything I'd be most suspicious of ntn.

Particularly if you're a wolf.

He's taken some time off, but I played quite a few games with Jeheinz before. ntn isn't a bad choice, I may look at that more. I think Telle was probably just mad at me for calling her Autumn vote ridiculous. I have a feeling in this, the wolves made middle vote (probably on EF too, and Lathum if he is a villager) to help set some pretty strong villagers as the primary candidates.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:21 AM   #497
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Wow, that's some awful writing there. I wish we could edit
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:21 AM   #498
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Wow, that's some awful writing there. I wish we could edit

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Old 08-10-2011, 09:21 AM   #499
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Alright given that the wolves had to submit their kill I think we can assume they knew that Danny wasn't going to be lynched. Killing dubb, whether to frame Danny or remove suspicion upon him, doesn't seem to make sense unless they knew Danny was going to continue to be in the game. As I like to think that the simplest explanation is frequently the correct one, I feel like Danny is a wolf and they killed dubb to remove someone who can be dogged in his pursuit of people.

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Old 08-10-2011, 09:25 AM   #500
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Alright given that the wolves had to submit their kill I think we can assume they knew that Danny wasn't going to be lynched. Killing dubb, whether to frame Danny or remove suspicion upon him, doesn't seem to make sense unless they knew Danny was going to continue to be in the game. As I like to think that the simplest explanation is frequently the correct one, I feel like Danny is a wolf and they killed dubb to remove someone who can be dogged in his pursuit of people.

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From a logical stand point, I agree with everything here. I am the smart lynch choice, but if I am lynched, I would look hard at my voters on day 1. I think there is a good chance of being two wolves on me.
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