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Old 08-09-2011, 10:29 PM   #401
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I would love clarification on this.

Chubby, you are posting some odd things. Autumn is just speculating, other than the person who impacted the change, no one really knows.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:29 PM   #402
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oh F&@k
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:30 PM   #403
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Chubby, you are posting some odd things. Autumn is just speculating, other than the person who impacted the change, no one really knows.

which is why i would love clarification from JAG on this.

vote lathum

claims duke, then says he isn't and denies he claimed it until shown his posts. either he's a wolf or is playing horribly and isn't helping the village
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:31 PM   #404
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Well that sucks.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:31 PM   #405
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Uh did we just lose our seer?
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:31 PM   #406
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That is really bad, as I would imagine Odin had some amount of seer like ability.

Frankly, I think this makes Danny look even worse, as Dubb had come out several times against Danny, but not so much that it would look like a frame job. If Danny is a wolf they would have known perhaps that he was going to avoid the lynch.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:31 PM   #407
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Well that did not go so well.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:32 PM   #408
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That is really bad, as I would imagine Odin had some amount of seer like ability.

Frankly, I think this makes Danny look even worse, as Dubb had come out several times against Danny, but not so much that it would look like a frame job. If Danny is a wolf they would have known perhaps that he was going to avoid the lynch.

I can't really despute any of this. I don't know what happened, but yes, I look really bad lol
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:32 PM   #409
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Ummm, Chubby... I think that post where you say Lathum "claimed" Duke, he was actually saying that he thought that Danny might be the Duke.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:34 PM   #410
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As of now I'm really confused about what happened. Barring someone coming clean I think we should assume today's lynch was the result of a wolf action. That would make Danny look terrible to me.

I'm not certain I agree here. It was likely someone who has a vote that double counted or didn't count, which aren't always exclusively wolf roles. Second, it appears there was probably a tie, a wolf could have wanted two villagers tied in hopes it would kill one and another villager from the tiebreaker.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:34 PM   #411
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Yeah, losing Dubb/Odin isn't exactly ideal.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:35 PM   #412
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Ummm, Chubby... I think that post where you say Lathum "claimed" Duke, he was actually saying that he thought that Danny might be the Duke.

i, of course, clearly disagree
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:37 PM   #413
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Ugh! what a horrible start for us villagers.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:37 PM   #414
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Ugh! what a horrible start for us villagers.

I disagree this is an awesome start.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:38 PM   #415
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Oh son of a bitch. Seriously, losing two of our three guaranteed roles day one?

Awesome. Just awesome.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:38 PM   #416
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I'm not certain I agree here. It was likely someone who has a vote that double counted or didn't count, which aren't always exclusively wolf roles. Second, it appears there was probably a tie, a wolf could have wanted two villagers tied in hopes it would kill one and another villager from the tiebreaker.

I don't think the wolves are likely to go for the tiebreaker with the chance that any random player could be killed. They're as likely to hit one of themselves that way.

That said, I agree a double voter is a high percentage possibility.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:38 PM   #417
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I disagree this is an awesome start.

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Old 08-09-2011, 10:38 PM   #418
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Oh son of a bitch. Seriously, losing two of our three guaranteed roles day one?

Awesome. Just awesome.

You realize Balder's not dead, right?
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:40 PM   #419
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:40 PM   #420
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oh, can't do much about that.

Danny seems very a peace. I call duke

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Ummm, Chubby... I think that post where you say Lathum "claimed" Duke, he was actually saying that he thought that Danny might be the Duke.

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i, of course, clearly disagree

I couldn't remember Lathum ever claiming Duke either. Looking back, it looks like you're wrong here Chubby.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:41 PM   #421
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so I'm curious Lathum, which item did you have?
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:41 PM   #422
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Well I'm tired and going to get some sleep
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:42 PM   #423
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vote count?

I'm thinking of making a last minute inexplicable change that will make people over analyze the move until I am lynched or night killed

post #1
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:42 PM   #424
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oh, can't do much about that.

Danny seems very a peace. I call duke

post #2 1 min later
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:43 PM   #425
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You realize Balder's not dead, right?

Gah, I do now. Looks like it's officially time to change from sideline green so I'm not skimming the purple text after I've highlighted it anymore.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:46 PM   #426
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Chubby, I think you're way off there. Lathum was talking about making a last minute vote switch like he has in some recent games. And that he thought Danny was the duke since Danny wasn't freaking out about getting lynched.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:47 PM   #427
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I assumed you were talking about how earlier he mentioned being the brutal and taking Zinto out with him. That could be read as oblique hints, but the other stuff I think you just misread.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:47 PM   #428
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Chubby, I think you're way off there. Lathum was talking about making a last minute vote switch like he has in some recent games. And that he thought Danny was the duke since Danny wasn't freaking out about getting lynched.

Yeah that's how I read his first post also. I could see how someone could read it as him being the Duke though.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:51 PM   #429
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I thought, coming into it at deadline, that it was very odd that we had Lathum, Danny and EF up as our top contenders, all people we normally wouldn't vote day one for good villagerness. Funny day.

That said, I'm afraid I can't see how I don't vote Danny here. Several signs point negatively towards him, and with a likely cunning in the game, and our seer possibly dead, our only way of clearing up voting, especially crazy voting like this, is going to be lynches.

VOTE DANNY
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:52 PM   #430
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I disagree this is an awesome start.

<-----smacks CF upside the head.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:53 PM   #431
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Man... I can't see a freaking thing that could have tipped anyone off about dubb... if anything he's more vocal than a seer would usually be. The only logical thing I can think is it's a Danny frame job, and they got insanely lucky. He was still getting on Danny even after the lynch but I wouldn't want to read too much into that either way.

I mean if anyone can see something I'm missing then point it out, but to me it seems like very vanilla banter and day 1 analysis to me. Not the slightest of hints and he was never even mentioned as a candidate.
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:53 PM   #432
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<-----smacks CF upside the head.

*deflects to Autumn*

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Old 08-09-2011, 10:56 PM   #433
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Does anyone want to cop to passing me an item?
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:58 PM   #434
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so I'm curious Lathum, which item did you have?

you should know
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:59 PM   #435
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Mistletoe - When Loki learned this was the only earthly substance that could harm Balder, he crafted some into an arrow (some say a spear) and guided the blind god Hodor to shoot at Balder with the arrow, slaying the beloved god.



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Does anyone want to cop to passing me an item?

In response to that, it would be best to pass Mistletoe to known villagers correct (since it seems like the Wolves would need it in order to kill EagleFan)? So if someone has it, they should pass it to EagleFan, right? I don't have it, but I thought I should point it out.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:00 PM   #436
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I thought, coming into it at deadline, that it was very odd that we had Lathum, Danny and EF up as our top contenders, all people we normally wouldn't vote day one for good villagerness. Funny day.

That said, I'm afraid I can't see how I don't vote Danny here. Several signs point negatively towards him, and with a likely cunning in the game, and our seer possibly dead, our only way of clearing up voting, especially crazy voting like this, is going to be lynches.

VOTE DANNY

This would be my initial thought of where we go tomorrow as well. Putting on my crazy conspiracy hat, can I see a scenario where Danny is a wolf and NK's Dubb to try and buy himself some trust with the double-bluff ("why would I NK him, I would just be framing myself?") on day 1 where there's no reveals and no obvious hints out there that I can see? I definitely think he's a good enough player to try and pull that off. Or a more realistic scenario might just be he's the cunning and he's trying to draw a scan. Like you say, no idea how we clear any of that up without a seer in the game.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:01 PM   #437
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*deflects to Autumn*

That's my non-playing superpower.

Oh, I thought it was making my life easier ;-)
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:01 PM   #438
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Chubby, I think you're way off there. Lathum was talking about making a last minute vote switch like he has in some recent games. And that he thought Danny was the duke since Danny wasn't freaking out about getting lynched.

This, you know, and the fact I come right out earlier in the day and say I'm not the seer.

And yes, I was joking about being the brutal like earlier in the thread.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:03 PM   #439
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This would be my initial thought of where we go tomorrow as well. Putting on my crazy conspiracy hat, can I see a scenario where Danny is a wolf and NK's Dubb to try and buy himself some trust with the double-bluff ("why would I NK him, I would just be framing myself?") on day 1 where there's no reveals and no obvious hints out there that I can see? I definitely think he's a good enough player to try and pull that off. Or a more realistic scenario might just be he's the cunning and he's trying to draw a scan. Like you say, no idea how we clear any of that up without a seer in the game.

Yeah, I don't think the dubb kill definitely paints Danny as bad, it could just as easy be a frame job, our as you say a double frame job. But I was already thinking I'd go with Danny before the kill, knowing that he wouldn't have been scanned, the kill just kind of cements it.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:04 PM   #440
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In response to that, it would be best to pass Mistletoe to known villagers correct (since it seems like the Wolves would need it in order to kill EagleFan)? So if someone has it, they should pass it to EagleFan, right? I don't have it, but I thought I should point it out.

And keep track of where you passed the mistletoe, as if Balder dies we can trace the killer this way.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:04 PM   #441
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On the mistletoe, are we sure that it won't be the one thing that kills EF (or at least opens him up to a NK)? The descriptions make me very uneasy about doing that, even if he is the only cleared villager in the game right now.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:04 PM   #442
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dubb should come join me in JAG's speculation folder once JAG sets him up as a dead villager and removes everyone else who is playing from the forums there. *hint hint*
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:05 PM   #443
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:05 PM   #444
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:06 PM   #445
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On the mistletoe, are we sure that it won't be the one thing that kills EF (or at least opens him up to a NK)? The descriptions make me very uneasy about doing that, even if he is the only cleared villager in the game right now.

I was thinking that too, but was afraid to voice it and give any ideas ;-) But yes, I'd be wary of that. Perhaps if the two that have had it are aware of each other (I don't know if you're told who you get something from) can pass it back and forth between them
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:12 PM   #446
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On the mistletoe, are we sure that it won't be the one thing that kills EF (or at least opens him up to a NK)? The descriptions make me very uneasy about doing that, even if he is the only cleared villager in the game right now.

Yeah, true. Maybe EagleFan would know more?
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:21 PM   #447
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In response to that, it would be best to pass Mistletoe to known villagers correct (since it seems like the Wolves would need it in order to kill EagleFan)? So if someone has it, they should pass it to EagleFan, right? I don't have it, but I thought I should point it out.

If someone knew that Mistletoe would not kill the known villager (EagleFan) that might be a good idea. The legends say that it will kill him, but who knows if it would kill him if passed to him or if it had to fall into the hands of the wolves first to weaponize it?

Either way, passing mistletoe to a villager sure seems like a good thing to do and the kind of thing that might buy a little bit of trust. I would sure like someone to trust if we have in fact lost our seer when we saw Odin fall.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:22 PM   #448
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:23 PM   #449
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dubb should come join me in JAG's speculation folder once JAG sets him up as a dead villager and removes everyone else who is playing from the forums there. *hint hint*

I joined over there but I'm not going to post anything until I get the OK from JAG as I would hate to violate the spirit of the game.
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:25 PM   #450
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It would be great if the person with the mistletoe comes forward. Please don't pass it yet. We can work out a plan from there.
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