WW XXIV: Treasure Hunt (GAME OVER!) - Page 13

hoopsguy · 02-22-2006, 07:18 PM

Also, on the Qwikshot mention above, I meant to include Vince in that list with me, Path, and KWhit. Those are the people that I know started to the SE so I consider them less likely to be pirates since it is harder to conceive they used the knife to kill SnDvls. That is my starting group for slot #1

Poli · 02-22-2006, 07:19 PM

How much is needed? I can contribute and/or do the viewing.

hoopsguy · 02-22-2006, 07:21 PM

4 GP is required for the viewing.

Now that we are in the day cycle, if it requires wasting one of my APs I would prefer to reimburse the person later today in the afternoon/evening cycle. Will publicly post the give action for everyone to see (assuming I'm not killed in the morning). If it doesn't require spending an AP to give the gold then I'm happy to do it before our actions start.

hoopsguy · 02-22-2006, 07:24 PM

From the rules, post #1

Quote:

Give: A player may give another player an item or gold. Both players must be in the same square. The person receiving the item is not charged an AP. This action may also be used during the Afternoon and Evening Cycles, without any AP cost. However, if used during the Afternoon or Evening Cycles it should be posted in the thread and is considered public information, except that the pirates may pass their knife from one to another by PM’ing me.

So I read this as indicating that a give will cost the "giver" one of the five turns. And I would prefer not to burn one of my turns if there are already sufficient funds to do this without me. I can either reimburse the person who does this today or contribute to the person we elect tomorrow or whatever other strategy people would like to follow. And if we don't have enough people willing to give then I'll reluctantly do it during the day cycle today because we need this information.

Raiders Army · 02-22-2006, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

From the rules, post #1

So I read this as indicating that a give will cost the "giver" one of the five turns. And I would prefer not to burn one of my turns if there are already sufficient funds to do this without me. I can either reimburse the person who does this today or contribute to the person we elect tomorrow or whatever other strategy people would like to follow. And if we don't have enough people willing to give then I'll reluctantly do it during the day cycle today because we need this information.

I will give you my two gold.

Raiders Army · 02-22-2006, 07:29 PM

I'm out for the night.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 07:31 PM

Guys, if it only requires 4 gold, I will do it. Don't send gold. I have it. That way I'm broke in the end, and maybe the pirates will leave me alone.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 07:32 PM

What should my actions be to do this is my next question.

kingfc22 · 02-22-2006, 07:32 PM

So it looks like Hoops is going to be viewing the evidence? I would suggest that someone watch Hoops and that RA veiws hoops. That should build a nice circle of trust.

kingfc22 · 02-22-2006, 07:33 PM

Ok, I see AE has the gold. I would suggest that RA view AE and someone watch AE.

hoopsguy · 02-22-2006, 07:34 PM

I'm fine with AE doing this if everyone else is. Qwik was my #1 choice for this and all three people I listed were in the thread so I'm hoping we have at least some discussion on this ...

Poli · 02-22-2006, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Ok, I see AE has the gold. I would suggest that RA view AE and someone watch AE.

I'm fine with that.

hoopsguy · 02-22-2006, 07:36 PM

AE having four gold makes it easier as we don't have to have anyone waste a turn giving him gold. I'll still reimburse him (or whoever) one gold later this afternoon/tonight as promised.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 07:44 PM

Let me get this straight. I'll go D3 (police station), buy the view (does that count as an AP?), and then I can do what I want, right?

TazFTW · 02-22-2006, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Taz, Schmidy I don't recall...

I went Northwest and didn't see anyone.

TazFTW · 02-22-2006, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Let me get this straight. I'll go D3 (police station), buy the view (does that count as an AP?), and then I can do what I want, right?

Looking at the rules I believe buying an item or service will cost an AP.

Desnudo · 02-22-2006, 07:50 PM

AE is fine with me. I'll donate the 1 GP to him in the next cycle as well. I think he should be given the full amount for giving up APs, so we'd need two more donations.

KWhit · 02-22-2006, 07:52 PM

What if AE is a pirate?

Poli · 02-22-2006, 07:57 PM

Well, I know I'm not. I know that's not good enough for you, though. I could pass on my gold to someone else to do it, though.

Either way, I'm not holding on to it after revealing I have it.

Alan T · 02-22-2006, 07:58 PM

I'm ok with AE viewing.. I guess I don't really trust anyone, so this is a gamble for us.

TazFTW · 02-22-2006, 08:01 PM

Barkeep, does depositing/withdrawing gold from the bank cost an AP?

hoopsguy · 02-22-2006, 08:02 PM

Any of these people is a gamble.

KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each?

That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece.

Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid.

kingfc22 · 02-22-2006, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

What if AE is a pirate?

That is why we have RA view him.

hoopsguy · 02-22-2006, 08:04 PM

If AE is willing to give up 4 GP in a turn to complete this - even as a loan - that would move him up my trust list. The person who does the viewing also becomes trusted using King's strategy.

If we go this route then I would strongly suggest that AE set up a bank account today as well as he should be getting 4 GP back tonight and may want to look into having that option going forward instead of being mugged or being a target for pirates.

KWhit · 02-22-2006, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

That is why we have RA view him.

I don't think that tells us whether the person is a pirate or not does it?

Alan T · 02-22-2006, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Any of these people is a gamble.

KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each?

That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece.

Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid.

Yeah, for me its one of those things.. I would rather it not be someone so eager to do it. I'm ok with Kwhit I think. Right now out of everyone, he has the highest trust in my circle. Although I still don't feel fully comfortable with anyone just yet.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Any of these people is a gamble.

KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each?

That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece.

Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid.

Calm your spidey sense down. I went digging the opposite way. To tell the truth, I went digging down by that river over that way. I digged in the same spot...got 2 gold each time.

Alan T · 02-22-2006, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I don't think that tells us whether the person is a pirate or not does it?

He means have RA "watch" the person doing the actions so 1) They can't be killed without the watcher knowing. 2) They can verify they did it.

Basically its a three person thing:

1) Kwhit pays the police 4 gold to search Blade's belongings.
2) Raiders watches kwhit to verify his actions and watch for killers
3) Player X watches Raiders to verify his and watch for killers.

Desnudo · 02-22-2006, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Any of these people is a gamble.

KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each?

That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece.

Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid.

I'll admit that it did for me too, but he had to have known that it would raise eyebrows to say that. if we're pulling 0-6 GP when we mine, it stand to reason some will fall on the high side.

kingfc22 · 02-22-2006, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I don't think that tells us whether the person is a pirate or not does it?

Ahh, you are right. I thought investigator=seer. Barkeep and his rules...

Alan T · 02-22-2006, 08:11 PM

Ardent is not on my trust list right now (not really many anyone on there), but he is not my top 5 suspects per say... but I would feel more comfortable with Kwhit doing it I think

hoopsguy · 02-22-2006, 08:11 PM

AE, if you were willing to spend the 4 GP initially then is it a problem to give it to KWhit instead? Or to give it to another player that you would pick?

kingfc22 · 02-22-2006, 08:12 PM

At the same time I figured with us watching each other it would keep us safe from an attack.

hoopsguy · 02-22-2006, 08:14 PM

Bottom line, I'm fine with either of these guys doing this - heck, they were #2 and #3 on the list that I posted.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 08:14 PM

Well, I could just forward my gold to Kwhit, though I have as much reason to trust him as he does me. I could just watch RA.

KWhit · 02-22-2006, 08:14 PM

I'd be fine with doing it if people trust me more.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

AE, if you were willing to spend the 4 GP initially then is it a problem to give it to KWhit instead? Or to give it to another player that you would pick?

Yep. See my post above.

Desnudo · 02-22-2006, 08:15 PM

This is like negotiating a government contract. I agree on KWhit as well. Let's make him the observer.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'd be fine with doing it if people trust me more.

Same here.

KWhit · 02-22-2006, 08:16 PM

Either way is fine with me, I just want us to understand that we won't definitively KNOW one way or the other.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

This is like negotiating a government contract. I agree on KWhit as well. Let's make him the observer.

Been there.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 08:18 PM

Just thought of something: Couldn't we both go? Seems like a waste of gold now that I think of it.

Alan T · 02-22-2006, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Just thought of something: Couldn't we both go? Seems like a waste of gold now that I think of it.

If you both have 4 gold to spend. I believe the police deal directly with 1 person (ie: PM to one person)

kingfc22 · 02-22-2006, 08:22 PM

From the rules

Police Station
If the *!&# authorities would just pay these men what they deserved then maybe they’d be a little more honest in performing their duties. Each service may only be purchased once per day, unless otherwise specified.

Only one person can view the evidence.

Poli · 02-22-2006, 08:23 PM

Well, there goes that idea. It probably would have been a waste of an additional 4 gold, anyway.

Desnudo · 02-22-2006, 08:23 PM

I'd recommend against that course of action. I know that 4 GP doesn't seem like much, but I think we should husband our resources. Pick the most trustworthy guy at this point and go with him. That's KWhit in my mind.

kingfc22 · 02-22-2006, 08:23 PM

Path - does the necklace give you any abilities?

Poli · 02-22-2006, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I'd recommend against that course of action. I know that 4 GP doesn't seem like much, but I think we should husband our resources. Pick the most trustworthy guy at this point and go with him. That's KWhit in my mind.

I'll try not to feel slighted by that comment.

kingfc22 · 02-22-2006, 08:24 PM

Who is going to be the 3rd man on this team?

Desnudo · 02-22-2006, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I'll try not to feel slighted by that comment.

And as backup, in case KWhit should be unable to fullfill his duties as police briber, I vote for AE.

02-22-2006, 07:19 PM	#602
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	How much is needed? I can contribute and/or do the viewing. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-22-2006, 07:31 PM	#607
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Guys, if it only requires 4 gold, I will do it. Don't send gold. I have it. That way I'm broke in the end, and maybe the pirates will leave me alone. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-22-2006, 07:32 PM	#608
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	What should my actions be to do this is my next question. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-22-2006, 07:32 PM	#609
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	So it looks like Hoops is going to be viewing the evidence? I would suggest that someone watch Hoops and that RA veiws hoops. That should build a nice circle of trust. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-22-2006, 07:33 PM	#610
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Ok, I see AE has the gold. I would suggest that RA view AE and someone watch AE. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-22-2006, 07:18 PM	#601
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Also, on the Qwikshot mention above, I meant to include Vince in that list with me, Path, and KWhit. Those are the people that I know started to the SE so I consider them less likely to be pirates since it is harder to conceive they used the knife to kill SnDvls. That is my starting group for slot #1

02-22-2006, 07:21 PM	#603
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	4 GP is required for the viewing. Now that we are in the day cycle, if it requires wasting one of my APs I would prefer to reimburse the person later today in the afternoon/evening cycle. Will publicly post the give action for everyone to see (assuming I'm not killed in the morning). If it doesn't require spending an AP to give the gold then I'm happy to do it before our actions start.

02-22-2006, 07:29 PM	#606
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm out for the night.

02-22-2006, 07:34 PM	#611
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm fine with AE doing this if everyone else is. Qwik was my #1 choice for this and all three people I listed were in the thread so I'm hoping we have at least some discussion on this ...

02-22-2006, 07:36 PM	#613
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	AE having four gold makes it easier as we don't have to have anyone waste a turn giving him gold. I'll still reimburse him (or whoever) one gold later this afternoon/tonight as promised.

02-22-2006, 07:44 PM	#614
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Let me get this straight. I'll go D3 (police station), buy the view (does that count as an AP?), and then I can do what I want, right? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-22-2006, 07:50 PM	#617
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	AE is fine with me. I'll donate the 1 GP to him in the next cycle as well. I think he should be given the full amount for giving up APs, so we'd need two more donations.

02-22-2006, 07:52 PM	#618
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	What if AE is a pirate?

02-22-2006, 07:57 PM	#619
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Well, I know I'm not. I know that's not good enough for you, though. I could pass on my gold to someone else to do it, though. Either way, I'm not holding on to it after revealing I have it. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-22-2006, 07:58 PM	#620
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I'm ok with AE viewing.. I guess I don't really trust anyone, so this is a gamble for us.

02-22-2006, 08:01 PM	#621
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Barkeep, does depositing/withdrawing gold from the bank cost an AP? __________________ "Teams don't want to make the trip anymore," says Hawaii coach June Jones. "They come here, we kick their ass, they go home." Fire Ron Lee.

02-22-2006, 08:02 PM	#622
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Any of these people is a gamble. KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each? That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece. Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid.

02-22-2006, 08:04 PM	#624
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	If AE is willing to give up 4 GP in a turn to complete this - even as a loan - that would move him up my trust list. The person who does the viewing also becomes trusted using King's strategy. If we go this route then I would strongly suggest that AE set up a bank account today as well as he should be getting 4 GP back tonight and may want to look into having that option going forward instead of being mugged or being a target for pirates.

02-22-2006, 08:11 PM	#631
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Ardent is not on my trust list right now (not really many anyone on there), but he is not my top 5 suspects per say... but I would feel more comfortable with Kwhit doing it I think

02-22-2006, 08:11 PM	#632
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	AE, if you were willing to spend the 4 GP initially then is it a problem to give it to KWhit instead? Or to give it to another player that you would pick?

02-22-2006, 08:12 PM	#633
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	At the same time I figured with us watching each other it would keep us safe from an attack. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-22-2006, 08:14 PM	#634
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Bottom line, I'm fine with either of these guys doing this - heck, they were #2 and #3 on the list that I posted.

02-22-2006, 08:14 PM	#635
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Well, I could just forward my gold to Kwhit, though I have as much reason to trust him as he does me. I could just watch RA. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-22-2006, 08:14 PM	#636
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I'd be fine with doing it if people trust me more.

02-22-2006, 08:15 PM	#638
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	This is like negotiating a government contract. I agree on KWhit as well. Let's make him the observer.

02-22-2006, 08:16 PM	#640
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Either way is fine with me, I just want us to understand that we won't definitively KNOW one way or the other.

02-22-2006, 08:18 PM	#642
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Just thought of something: Couldn't we both go? Seems like a waste of gold now that I think of it. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-22-2006, 08:22 PM	#644
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	From the rules Police Station If the *!&# authorities would just pay these men what they deserved then maybe they’d be a little more honest in performing their duties. Each service may only be purchased once per day, unless otherwise specified. Only one person can view the evidence. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-22-2006, 08:23 PM	#645
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Well, there goes that idea. It probably would have been a waste of an additional 4 gold, anyway. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

02-22-2006, 08:23 PM	#646
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	I'd recommend against that course of action. I know that 4 GP doesn't seem like much, but I think we should husband our resources. Pick the most trustworthy guy at this point and go with him. That's KWhit in my mind.

02-22-2006, 08:23 PM	#647
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Path - does the necklace give you any abilities? __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-22-2006, 08:24 PM	#649
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Who is going to be the 3rd man on this team? __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

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