Alright Boyz, Here We Go!!!! (OOTP 2007 release thoughts!!!)

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by yabanci

As far as I can tell, you have to:

1. go game settings>league setup>edit ballparks
2. lick the second tab (pictures & coordinates)
3. either type or cut & paste the exact file name for each ballpark, both day and night versions, if available.
4. repeat over and over until you go through all the teams.

Then you have the mess of lining up the player coordinates.

Then, if you want ballparks to affect the game other than just being an extra graphic, you have to go back to the "park profile" tab and manually input for each team the ballpark type, surface, capacity, ballpark factors, outfield wall distances, and wall heights.

Then shave the long white beard you grew while doing all of this busywork.

I asked earlier in the thread how people manage this mess, but nobody replied. Maybe there's an easier way. It'd be nice to know.

This si a major problem since the ballpark dimensions have a fairly big effect on players e.g. fenway is hitters haven etc. They should have built some kind of wizard to input this stuff into the league easier or don't have ballpark factors at all.

[Swaggs]

I am really liking this game right now.

It has the type of "universe"-feel to it that I have always wanted in a text-sim. I am looking forward to playing with a premade set of 2007 rosters, as I like to have a take-off point when I play OOTP, where I recognize recent history and its players.

Right now, I created a 16-team (later expanded to 20) league in 1983 in various US East Coast towns and simmed through 25 years. My universe also has a Japanese League, a Cuban League, a Puerto Rican league, and three levels of minor leagues AND I just created a very rudimentary, low-skilled Austrailian league with 8-teams. I really like being able to customize the league on the fly. I am thinking of creating a rival Pacific Coast-type league with an on merging it with my other league.

Also, very cool that former players become coaches/staff and that I can groom coaches with my farm team. I love that I feel like I have total control over my franchise.

[Qrusher14242]

Originally Posted by yabanci

As far as I can tell, you have to:

1. go game settings>league setup>edit ballparks
2. lick the second tab (pictures & coordinates)
3. either type or cut & paste the exact file name for each ballpark, both day and night versions, if available.
4. repeat over and over until you go through all the teams.

Then you have the mess of lining up the player coordinates.

Then, if you want ballparks to affect the game other than just being an extra graphic, you have to go back to the "park profile" tab and manually input for each team the ballpark type, surface, capacity, ballpark factors, outfield wall distances, and wall heights.

Then shave the long white beard you grew while doing all of this busywork.

I asked earlier in the thread how people manage this mess, but nobody replied. Maybe there's an easier way. It'd be nice to know.

Yeah thats as easy as it gets unfortunately Was very dissapointed this wasnt looked at all. In the earlier versions, you could edit it for one league and then move those stadiums over to another league. You could also import/export ballpark's. Also, it was much easier to select the ballparks in 6.5/5 etc. Now you have a dropdown list, but if you have 100 parks, you have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to get to it.

What would make the process much easier was if they were treated like logos. You could name them after either the team or ballpark name and ootp would find it and put it in. Or at least a browse option. Hard to type all those in.

[JPhillips]

Is there any way to get compensatory picks? I know the rules have changed, but losing this is a big disappointment. It was the one thing OOTP2006 got right.

[Drake]

If it means anything, Ryche, I played 2k6 for about six weeks in an attempt to understand it (because the FOBL was thinking about converting), then never picked it up again. So far, 2k7 is just blowing my socks off. I'm not a historical simmer, but when backdropping 20, 50 or 100 years of "real" baseball history is this easy, I can't help *not* doing it.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Galaril

what level is trade set to?

For this sim I'm just using the average and neutral settings.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm playing in a cheat mode of sorts since I have recalc on and picking up the Phillies in 1980, I have some idea who is going to become a star. But, I'm still having a blast and finding it challenging to manage my budget.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Is there any way to get compensatory picks? I know the rules have changed, but losing this is a big disappointment. It was the one thing OOTP2006 got right.

Yes, there is an option for this.

[JPhillips]

I can't find it. Can you tell me how to turn it on? I'm trying to GM the Reds and I need comp picks to keep up with the big revenue guys.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

KS - How are our beloved Tigs doing?

I hope Kaline retired at Tig.

In this sim, they made the playoffs just 10 times from 1901 through 2006 and won 4 WS titles - 1902, 1940, 1985, and 2002.

Kaline had a Hof career, but I'm sad to report that the Tigers traded him in 1969 to the expansion Seattle Pilots prior to the season for a crappy MR who wasa crappy closer for a couple of years for the Tigers. He had 3000 hits at the end of 1973, but came back for another year anyway and ended with 3039 hits and 378 HRs.

Ed Siever, a deadball era pitcher who had just 83 wins IRL, is the team leader in wins with 283. Schoolbooy Rowe had 232, Bunning 189, and John Tudor had 118. Jack Morris was not very good.

Predictably, Ty Cobb is the team leader in a number of categories, including 4146 hits and a .342 average. Howard Johnson spent his entire career with the Tigers, retiring in 1997 with 352 HRs and 2027 hits. He's the team leader in HRs, too.

I wish I could cut-and-paste like vtbub, but this sim is on my laptop and I don't have internet access.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I can't find it. Can you tell me how to turn it on? I'm trying to GM the Reds and I need comp picks to keep up with the big revenue guys.

League Setup/Rules. There's a check box for "Draft pick compensation for lost FA's" under the financial rules.

[DaddyTorgo]

dammit. Well that absolutely sucks about the ballparks. that's dissapointing.

[Ksyrup]

[IMG]file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Chris/My%20Documents/Sports%20Interactive/OOTP%20Baseball%202007/data/saved_games/1901%20RS45%20Template.lg/news/html/images/Detroit_Tigers.png[/IMG] Detroit Tigers Team Index

Year W L WPct Finish GB Exp Rec Diff Avg ERA BABIP Playoffs Champion Attendance Payroll Balance 1901 77 63 .550 3rd 1.5 75-65 2 .289 3.18 .309 408,635 $36,680 $127,001 1902 79 61 .564 1st - 73-67 6 .277 2.78 .279 X X 511,304 $108,132 $87,729 1903 75 65 .536 3rd 7.0 72-68 3 .254 2.74 .290 405,136 $142,100 $36,003 1904 81 73 .526 3rd 10.0 87-67 -6 .251 2.20 .264 447,086 $142,872 $38,868 1905 78 76 .506 3rd 21.0 76-78 2 .256 2.60 .283 378,309 $142,383 $11,432 1906 57 97 .370 8th 34.0 58-96 -1 .248 3.03 .288 355,537 $191,361 $-54,801 1907 82 72 .532 1st - 76-78 6 .247 2.15 .266 X 561,347 $210,155 $4,477 1908 85 69 .552 4th 7.5 90-64 -5 .257 2.37 .264 404,444 $276,000 $-92,876 1909 90 64 .584 1st - 85-69 5 .250 2.50 .286 X 685,911 $252,693 $-43,785 1910 69 85 .448 6th 25.0 66-88 3 .250 3.44 .294 488,730 $238,022 $-68,512 1911 82 72 .532 4th 24.0 75-79 7 .292 4.26 .330 457,750 $244,816 $-59,796 1912 80 74 .519 3rd 10.0 76-78 4 .287 3.58 .303 450,206 $289,855 $-106,770 1913 75 79 .487 5th 17.0 82-72 -7 .263 3.10 .290 426,724 $307,551 $-113,279 1914 75 79 .487 6th 14.0 78-76 -3 .247 2.59 .269 384,077 $220,373 $-35,753 1915 63 91 .409 8th 30.0 64-90 -1 .235 2.95 .270 365,999 $192,983 $34,633 1916 67 87 .435 6th 29.0 68-86 -1 .252 3.14 .278 380,454 $187,445 $36,233 1917 75 79 .487 4th 26.0 77-77 -2 .261 2.78 .267 376,089 $218,395 $14,022 1918 70 84 .455 6th 23.0 72-82 -2 .267 3.26 .281 368,843 $281,193 $30,133 1919 66 74 .471 5th 18.0 58-82 8 .267 3.50 .279 331,327 $510,103 $-30,509 1920 76 78 .494 5th 14.0 69-85 7 .277 3.97 .300 372,292 $608,772 $-267,526 1921 65 89 .422 8th 26.0 68-86 -3 .301 5.19 .328 409,587 $533,417 $-204,473 1922 63 91 .409 8th 28.0 66-88 -3 .288 4.91 .305 365,561 $526,712 $-271,600 1923 69 85 .448 7th 27.0 68-86 1 .294 5.06 .322 384,112 $500,753 $-239,690 1924 65 89 .422 7th 29.0 67-87 -2 .288 4.81 .313 388,487 $573,993 $-292,219 1925 70 84 .455 6th 18.0 75-79 -5 .298 4.80 .328 370,021 $657,286 $-425,066 1926 79 75 .513 5th 8.0 79-75 0 .289 4.21 .311 500,200 $743,324 $-432,552 1927 77 77 .500 3rd 19.0 83-71 -6 .299 4.09 .307 375,528 $835,146 $-565,359 1928 64 90 .416 7th 28.0 70-84 -6 .290 5.00 .319 361,985 $891,780 $-639,942 1929 59 95 .383 8th 35.0 67-87 -8 .289 5.47 .326 391,572 $809,651 $-530,736 1930 57 97 .370 8th 30.0 62-92 -5 .296 5.71 .327 360,354 $841,638 $-570,364 1931 69 85 .448 6th 28.0 65-89 4 .271 4.81 .309 386,570 $641,795 $-407,330 1932 68 86 .442 8th 30.0 65-89 3 .276 4.64 .311 379,231 $526,411 $-317,223 1933 84 70 .545 3rd 12.0 80-74 4 .281 3.99 .291 405,757 $408,316 $-195,543 1934 67 87 .435 8th 36.0 71-83 -4 .276 4.50 .309 364,726 $394,351 $-174,163 1935 81 73 .526 4th 17.0 81-73 0 .292 4.66 .302 379,574 $428,570 $-185,482 1936 87 67 .565 3rd 10.0 87-67 0 .293 4.16 .310 524,750 $483,406 $-138,152 1937 95 59 .617 2nd 9.0 93-61 2 .281 3.90 .286 565,430 $619,180 $-225,548 1938 90 64 .584 2nd 20.0 88-66 2 .274 3.98 .283 471,668 $710,351 $-356,226 1939 84 70 .545 4th 21.0 83-71 1 .267 3.78 .287 458,807 $678,594 $-349,380 1940 99 55 .643 1st - 99-55 0 .263 3.25 .267 X X 1,024,090 $788,460 $-124,718 1941 84 70 .545 2nd 18.0 83-71 1 .246 3.61 .280 545,812 $917,566 $-490,877 1942 71 83 .461 7th 21.0 71-83 0 .255 4.09 .286 651,930 $1,166,910 $-555,916 1943 77 77 .500 6th 24.0 80-74 -3 .275 3.84 .285 544,425 $1,465,878 $-749,789 1944 82 72 .532 4th 13.0 80-74 2 .273 3.58 .294 660,907 $1,832,683 $-575,526 1945 78 76 .506 4th 33.0 80-74 -2 .263 3.78 .296 469,426 $2,078,679 $-1,133,941 1946 86 68 .558 2nd 8.0 81-73 5 .238 2.86 .271 898,002 $1,891,337 $-590,960 1947 79 75 .513 4th 22.0 85-69 -6 .274 4.17 .288 1,294,180 $1,830,707 $-592,811 1948 81 73 .526 3rd 21.0 78-76 3 .263 4.63 .298 1,266,275 $2,391,272 $-1,157,221 1949 87 67 .565 3rd 7.0 82-72 5 .261 4.08 .280 1,599,716 $1,743,906 $-191,074 1950 63 91 .409 7th 25.0 65-89 -2 .248 4.50 .287 1,125,092 $1,882,061 $-705,397 1951 73 81 .474 5th 25.0 68-86 5 .245 3.80 .285 939,923 $1,550,794 $-415,755 1952 80 74 .519 3rd 9.0 75-79 5 .248 3.37 .267 1,033,235 $1,597,104 $10,106 1953 76 78 .494 4th 22.0 76-78 0 .269 4.03 .287 952,808 $2,375,570 $-690,664 1954 83 71 .539 4th 9.0 86-68 -3 .272 3.48 .270 646,542 $2,431,782 $-1,056,750 1955 93 61 .604 2nd 4.0 92-62 1 .265 3.29 .258 1,184,645 $2,089,828 $-152,962 1956 85 69 .552 3rd 9.0 81-73 4 .262 3.72 .263 1,270,498 $3,110,101 $-906,545 1957 87 67 .565 2nd 10.0 90-64 -3 .267 3.24 .265 1,091,176 $3,184,939 $-1,048,314 1958 92 63 .594 1st - 87-68 5 .262 3.48 .271 X 1,846,762 $3,422,268 $-126,558 1959 89 65 .578 2nd 1.0 95-59 -6 .262 3.23 .274 1,615,698 $3,052,824 $373,698 1960 63 91 .409 7th 32.0 62-92 1 .253 4.47 .284 994,454 $3,114,856 $-759,389 1961 80 82 .494 6th 26.0 77-85 3 .264 4.75 .296 1,548,765 $3,430,549 $-371,369 1962 75 87 .463 7th 28.0 73-89 2 .256 4.29 .297 1,185,176 $3,436,275 $-472,506 1963 84 78 .519 5th 17.0 83-79 1 .252 3.59 .282 1,075,926 $4,374,279 $-1,269,034 1964 82 80 .506 6th 21.0 89-73 -7 .247 3.21 .286 1,386,844 $5,999,823 $-1,890,477 1965 79 83 .488 6th 19.0 86-76 -7 .254 3.44 .294 1,314,798 $5,179,980 $-1,129,662 1966 75 87 .463 7th 19.5 76-86 -1 .251 4.02 .282 1,169,687 $6,321,372 $-2,540,177 1967 94 68 .580 2nd 1.0 95-67 -1 .246 3.21 .279 1,803,346 $7,780,715 $-2,416,993 1968 84 78 .519 5th 19.0 86-76 -2 .231 3.05 .270 1,309,850 $10,091,049 $-5,632,824 1969 87 75 .537 4th 11.0 83-79 4 .251 4.40 .285 1,480,299 $6,619,850 $-753,561 1970 82 80 .506 3rd 20.0 83-79 -1 .252 3.87 .278 1,438,269 $6,311,773 $352,380 1971 70 92 .432 4th 33.0 68-94 2 .230 3.60 .279 1,397,194 $6,510,356 $141,474 1972 75 87 .463 4th 21.0 73-89 2 .227 3.36 .279 1,186,124 $6,174,971 $-333,508 1973 81 81 .500 2nd 22.0 77-85 4 .263 4.13 .306 1,282,100 $7,060,143 $-268,503 1974 78 84 .481 3rd 12.0 74-88 4 .267 4.16 .295 1,667,511 $6,140,361 $2,762,018 1975 63 99 .389 6th 33.0 62-100 1 .261 4.67 .311 1,037,173 $8,552,561 $-1,748,405 1976 62 100 .383 6th 46.0 63-99 -1 .242 4.19 .304 785,471 $5,584,996 $233,283 1977 80 82 .494 4th 17.0 80-82 0 .257 3.84 .289 1,266,004 $5,438,275 $3,646,795 1978 81 81 .500 4th 3.0 82-80 -1 .267 4.25 .302 1,629,878 $8,633,071 $2,489,256 1979 92 70 .568 2nd 2.0 88-74 4 .273 3.92 .298 1,872,043 $9,163,774 $3,972,972 1980 107 55 .660 1st - 109-53 -2 .279 3.23 .251 X 2,212,818 $13,050,184 $3,030,952 1981 96 67 .589 1st - 95-68 1 .267 3.63 .267 X 2,464,268 $14,310,226 $5,272,846 1982 75 87 .463 6th 27.0 81-81 -6 .262 4.08 .288 1,486,026 $18,330,054 $-2,927,475 1983 82 80 .506 3rd 18.0 86-76 -4 .285 4.49 .297 2,049,316 $16,183,179 $2,896,051 1984 99 63 .611 2nd 14.0 100-62 -1 .278 3.45 .274 2,409,242 $19,847,408 $3,689,847 1985 100 62 .617 1st - 99-63 1 .262 3.53 .268 X X 2,847,102 $23,246,593 $7,810,818 1986 94 69 .577 1st - 90-73 4 .250 3.94 .274 X 2,618,336 $25,862,501 $5,782,902 1987 74 88 .457 5th 29.0 78-84 -4 .246 4.27 .275 1,539,769 $28,574,531 $-7,663,491 1988 74 88 .457 5th 28.0 76-86 -2 .244 3.87 .270 1,921,860 $21,955,057 $1,762,780 1989 63 99 .389 6th 30.0 60-102 3 .242 4.32 .312 1,847,365 $23,902,210 $578,150 1990 71 91 .438 6th 35.0 75-87 -4 .250 4.31 .291 2,025,336 $22,683,120 $4,649,015 1991 89 73 .549 4th 8.0 91-71 -2 .245 3.62 .265 2,552,740 $23,544,791 $11,501,444 1992 81 81 .500 4th 13.0 83-79 -2 .263 4.20 .286 2,843,739 $36,719,838 $2,571,890 1993 88 74 .543 4th 9.0 86-76 2 .267 4.12 .289 3,088,153 $36,154,656 $9,639,930 1994 65 97 .401 5th 26.0 67-95 -2 .270 5.93 .325 2,917,408 $45,279,222 $-4,732,954 1995 80 82 .494 3rd 8.0 79-83 1 .252 4.85 .297 3,082,998 $42,835,310 $379,288 1996 57 105 .352 5th 28.0 62-100 -5 .250 5.56 .324 2,115,654 $43,951,661 $-4,092,560 1997 71 91 .438 3rd 16.0 73-89 -2 .253 4.81 .308 2,120,058 $37,509,757 $3,053,753 1998 70 92 .432 4th 20.0 69-93 1 .257 4.66 .310 2,304,829 $37,815,781 $6,090,650 1999 83 79 .512 2nd 13.0 83-79 0 .272 4.90 .291 2,485,573 $48,629,929 $-976,816 2000 73 89 .451 5th 20.0 78-84 -5 .264 4.82 .307 2,419,420 $47,637,696 $2,608,082 2001 81 81 .500 4th 20.0 83-79 -2 .265 4.17 .298 2,633,459 $54,318,610 $1,582,059 2002 96 66 .593 2nd 3.0 89-73 7 .266 3.84 .286 X X 3,591,375 $58,290,481 $16,535,418 2003 73 89 .451 5th 19.0 75-87 -2 .261 4.48 .286 2,762,708 $66,792,337 $-12,798,613 2004 74 88 .457 4th 22.0 73-89 1 .254 4.64 .309 2,887,971 $61,756,538 $6,947,402 2005 72 90 .444 5th 21.0 74-88 -2 .266 4.96 .303 2,849,354 $72,212,915 $-10,306,208 2006 85 77 .525 3rd 2.0 85-77 0 .266 4.02 .285 3,178,527 $66,065,404 $13,266,600 Totals 8280 8359 .498 8288-8351 -8 .264 3.94 .291 10 4 131,151,578 42,307,432

[Ksyrup]

I pulled the plug on my desktop so I'm connected. Let me know if you have any particular reports you want me to cut and paste (players, leaders, etc.), and I'll try to get to it before I sign off for the night. I'll pick out a few interesting ones and post them.

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

In this sim, they made the playoffs just 10 times from 1901 through 2006 and won 4 WS titles - 1902, 1940, 1985, and 2002.

Kaline had a Hof career, but I'm sad to report that the Tigers traded him in 1969 to the expansion Seattle Pilots prior to the season for a crappy MR who wasa crappy closer for a couple of years for the Tigers..

Interesting I just noticed in my history sim that Al Rosen was traded not once but twice for MR. The first time was after his rookie year where he put up a .295 Avg with 34 HR and 104 RBI(Career highs for him) and the Indians traded him to the Braves for a MR that never pitched for the Indians. The second time he had already made the All Star game once, but was traded to the Yankees for a MR. He's never put up the type of numbers Rosen did in real life but still it was odd to see him traded twice.

[Ksyrup]

I've seen it a bunch, too. I wonder if it's tied to the what someone (JPhillips?) mentioned earlier about the game overvaluing MRs in drafts. Could be the same thing going on here.

Most of the guys being traded for MRs aren't great - or aren't any longer - but you'd think they would command more.

[twothree]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I pulled the plug on my desktop so I'm connected. Let me know if you have any particular reports you want me to cut and paste (players, leaders, etc.), and I'll try to get to it before I sign off for the night. I'll pick out a few interesting ones and post them.

I always like to find out the top three single single season record holders in home runs, hits, and triples when a historic league is simmed.

[Ksyrup]

Barry Bonds...released the day after he suffered his CEI. Damn that's cold!

Career Batting Stats

Year/Team/League Age G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS VORP 1986 Pittsburgh - MLB 21 143 506 128 29 4 36 97 108 119 5 3 137 23 10 .253 .398 .540 .938 53.6 1987 Pittsburgh - MLB 22 162 616 184 44 7 32 123 115 80 2 9 99 29 19 .299 .376 .549 .925 55.8 1988 Pittsburgh - MLB 23 162 616 149 29 6 19 88 98 68 3 7 89 12 4 .242 .317 .401 .718 17.2 1989 Pittsburgh - MLB 24 162 631 189 31 9 27 93 98 72 1 7 93 27 9 .300 .368 .506 .874 63.4 1990 Pittsburgh - MLB 25 142 537 150 24 5 23 100 94 76 7 10 73 34 14 .279 .370 .471 .841 47.0 1991 Pittsburgh - MLB 26 134 483 152 23 7 34 112 112 99 3 4 72 31 13 .315 .431 .602 1.034 80.1 1992 Pittsburgh - MLB 27 162 618 183 34 6 31 95 112 103 7 6 77 53 18 .296 .399 .521 .920 75.3 1993 Pittsburgh - MLB 28 162 625 210 25 3 66 172 154 111 11 5 60 29 8 .336 .441 .702 1.144 125.0 1994 Pittsburgh - MLB 29 148 567 186 26 5 49 120 128 86 6 3 72 26 19 .328 .420 .651 1.071 80.7 1995 Pittsburgh - MLB 30 39 146 47 9 1 7 16 33 23 2 0 23 7 4 .322 .421 .541 .962 14.9 1996 Pittsburgh - MLB 31 162 592 189 24 5 40 119 154 141 10 8 87 44 15 .319 .453 .579 1.032 83.5 1997 Pittsburgh - MLB 32 122 433 128 27 4 30 102 103 95 8 6 67 39 15 .296 .426 .584 1.010 61.5 1998 Pittsburgh - MLB 33 106 400 102 27 4 24 94 84 82 3 7 55 21 6 .255 .380 .522 .903 34.3 1999 Pittsburgh - MLB 34 111 385 124 28 6 35 90 111 107 5 1 52 22 6 .322 .474 .699 1.173 81.0 2000 Pittsburgh - MLB 35 162 559 159 23 2 63 152 155 184 11 4 99 20 8 .284 .467 .671 1.138 107.5 2001 Pittsburgh - MLB 36 162 549 179 30 3 56 143 154 181 3 7 74 5 8 .326 .491 .698 1.188 121.9 2002 Pittsburgh - MLB 37 116 398 150 20 2 53 108 125 125 9 3 48 9 1 .377 .531 .837 1.368 120.5 Total MLB 17 yrs. 2357 8661 2609 453 79 625 1824 1938 1752 96 90 1277 431 177 .301 .421 .588 1.009 1223.1

08-13-2002	Injured (torn ankle ligaments), career-ending injury!
08-14-2002	Released by the Pittsburgh Pirates.
08-30-2002	Retired from professional baseball.
08-30-2002	Was inducted to the Hall of Fame

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by twothree

I always like to find out the top three single single season record holders in home runs, hits, and triples when a historic league is simmed.

Hits:
Al Simmons '29 - 262
Joe Jackson '21 - 262
Al Simmons '28 - 261

Triples:
Ty Cobb '11 - 35
Tris Speaker '13 - 33
Birdie Cree '11 - 31

HR:
Barry Bonds '93 - 66
Mark McGwire '94 - 66
Mark McGwire '95 - 65

Honorable Mention - Wily Mo Pena '05 - 62

[Ksyrup]

Darryl Strawberry...

Career Batting Stats

Year/Team/League Age G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS VORP 1983 New York - MLB 21 162 626 179 32 6 37 110 99 92 4 7 164 15 6 .286 .377 .534 .911 61.7 1984 New York - MLB 22 162 622 167 27 4 28 111 107 76 1 12 167 42 9 .268 .343 .460 .803 40.8 1985 New York - MLB 23 137 513 136 18 10 30 95 100 83 1 4 128 26 13 .265 .366 .515 .881 39.4 1986 New York - MLB 24 162 613 172 25 5 46 134 131 101 9 3 148 37 15 .281 .388 .563 .951 69.7 1987 New York - MLB 25 162 608 176 25 5 46 134 126 101 7 5 147 39 19 .289 .394 .574 .968 74.4 1988 New York - MLB 26 162 630 170 34 4 45 115 106 73 4 5 138 18 4 .270 .347 .551 .898 63.5 1989 Pittsburgh - MLB 27 140 527 125 20 2 31 86 78 59 1 8 111 11 5 .237 .311 .459 .770 24.0 1990 Pittsburgh - MLB 28 162 612 173 29 2 40 120 101 73 6 6 130 13 5 .283 .362 .533 .894 58.5 1991 Pittsburgh - MLB 29 161 604 177 26 5 47 149 110 88 6 8 130 17 4 .293 .384 .586 .970 76.7 1992 Pittsburgh - MLB 30 153 449 102 12 3 23 67 72 69 3 5 99 18 1 .227 .331 .421 .752 19.1 1993 Pittsburgh - MLB 31 78 90 18 2 0 2 15 14 18 2 1 14 1 0 .200 .342 .289 .631 -2.2 1994 Pittsburgh - MLB 32 156 479 115 18 2 24 80 79 71 13 4 118 8 5 .240 .351 .436 .787 7.4 1995 Pittsburgh - MLB 33 152 429 105 9 3 29 86 79 77 4 2 105 2 1 .245 .363 .483 .846 14.7 1996 Pittsburgh - MLB 34 151 427 105 16 2 17 48 70 59 2 4 120 0 2 .246 .337 .412 .750 -3.3 1997 Pittsburgh - MLB 35 147 425 114 16 0 40 105 86 85 2 6 122 4 3 .268 .388 .588 .976 46.2 1998 Pittsburgh - MLB 36 135 356 107 12 2 29 100 76 79 2 5 86 11 2 .301 .425 .590 1.015 50.2 1999 Los Angeles - MLB 37 158 503 144 26 6 37 105 115 121 5 7 133 14 5 .286 .425 .583 1.007 66.7 Total MLB 17 yrs. 2540 8513 2285 347 61 551 1660 1549 1325 72 92 2060 276 99 .268 .368 .518

[Ksyrup]

Dwight Gooden...

Career Pitching Stats

Year/Team/League Age G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER HR BB K CG SHO WHIP BABIP VORP 1984 New York - MLB 19 14 14 6 4 0 2.93 98.1 76 38 32 3 33 117 1 1 1.11 .307 21.2 1985 New York - MLB 20 34 34 20 4 0 1.99 258.1 181 66 57 7 74 252 12 5 0.99 .260 88.8 1986 New York - MLB 21 35 35 27 5 0 2.10 278.0 204 76 65 5 79 231 7 2 1.02 .260 95.4 1987 New York - MLB 22 31 31 16 9 0 3.45 216.2 208 106 83 10 75 170 6 2 1.31 .307 42.4 1988 New York - MLB 23 34 34 22 8 0 2.42 264.1 224 82 71 3 61 223 10 4 1.08 .294 60.6 1989 New York - MLB 24 35 35 16 12 0 2.89 271.1 251 102 87 9 77 226 9 2 1.21 .310 48.3 1990 New York - MLB 25 34 34 20 11 0 3.29 251.2 238 100 92 11 80 220 4 1 1.26 .310 49.1 1991 New York - MLB 26 35 35 15 13 0 3.78 255.0 241 125 107 20 100 224 7 3 1.34 .305 31.8 1992 New York - MLB 27 35 35 13 15 0 3.38 261.0 251 117 98 13 86 170 9 0 1.29 .293 43.3 1993 New York - MLB 28 9 9 3 3 0 4.50 56.0 66 31 28 5 21 42 0 0 1.55 .343 4.1 1994 Atlanta - MLB 29 34 34 15 8 0 4.28 231.1 221 115 110 23 91 179 2 0 1.35 .299 45.2 1995 Atlanta - MLB 30 25 25 10 10 0 6.41 140.1 158 106 100 20 65 122 0 0 1.59 .335 -8.4 1996 Atlanta - MLB 31 26 24 5 14 0 5.72 146.1 146 101 93 18 74 99 0 0 1.50 .294 6.9 1997 Atlanta - MLB 32 2 1 0 1 0 3.86 9.1 6 4 4 2 7 6 0 0 1.39 .174 1.7 Total MLB 14 yrs. 383 380 188 117 0 3.38 2738.0 2471 1169 1027 149 923 2281 67 20 1.24 .296 530.3

[Ksyrup]

Fred Lynn...went to the Angels after 1980 just like IRL!

Career Batting Stats

Year/Team/League Age G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS VORP 1974 Boston - MLB 22 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 -0.2 1975 Boston - MLB 23 162 646 204 48 6 20 89 102 70 3 3 92 14 7 .316 .384 .502 .885 51.9 1976 Boston - MLB 24 148 587 172 29 12 24 80 105 68 5 5 71 22 10 .293 .368 .506 .874 42.1 1977 Boston - MLB 25 162 658 184 36 5 29 111 101 65 5 6 78 2 3 .280 .346 .482 .828 24.5 1978 Boston - MLB 26 162 641 200 40 5 38 130 116 78 4 6 65 0 4 .312 .387 .568 .955 56.6 1979 Boston - MLB 27 162 639 187 38 3 35 120 105 72 1 7 52 2 0 .293 .362 .526 .887 51.2 1980 Boston - MLB 28 162 611 159 32 3 24 105 100 97 2 11 91 20 9 .260 .358 .440 .798 30.8 1981 California - MLB 29 162 600 163 29 3 14 69 81 95 4 7 76 3 4 .272 .371 .400 .771 30.1 1982 California - MLB 30 141 468 139 21 1 22 74 76 66 3 2 84 1 1 .297 .386 .487 .873 44.5 1983 California - MLB 31 153 545 149 33 4 24 93 84 78 2 7 100 5 1 .273 .362 .481 .843 35.4 1984 California - MLB 32 148 559 128 20 0 29 80 86 72 4 6 116 1 2 .229 .318 .420 .739 14.7 1985 California - MLB 33 126 370 112 13 4 23 65 67 60 1 3 60 8 4 .303 .399 .546 .945 42.7 1986 California - MLB 34 79 247 55 7 0 8 26 32 33 1 0 58 0 1 .223 .317 .348 .665 -0.8 1987 California - MLB 35 48 144 40 5 0 8 28 19 18 1 2 23 1 0 .278 .358 .479 .837 10.7 1988 California - MLB 36 138 450 101 12 2 22 79 58 54 1 5 82 2 3 .224 .306 .407 .713 7.5 1989 California - MLB 37 129 388 107 21 0 16 56 53 44 2 7 78 7 3 .276 .347 .454 .801 24.0 1990 California - MLB 38 29 65 11 2 0 2 8 10 8 0 1 19 0 1 .169 .257 .292 .549 -3.9 1991 California - MLB 39 81 187 41 7 1 2 12 21 16 1 0 44 2 0 .219 .284 .299 .584 -4.8 Total MLB 18 yrs. 2193 7806 2152 393 49 340 1225 1216 994 40 78 1189 90 53 .276 .357 .469 .827 457.0

[Ksyrup]

Joe Magrane - interesting career, 2 Cy Youngs in his first 4 years, then his ratings fell off a cliff in 1992 and he barely played again.

Career Pitching Stats

Year/Team/League Age G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER HR BB K CG SHO WHIP BABIP VORP 1987 St. Louis - MLB 22 35 35 23 7 0 2.55 261.0 238 97 74 7 70 145 10 3 1.18 .280 83.8 1988 St. Louis - MLB 23 35 35 14 17 0 3.06 259.0 232 100 88 6 58 167 10 1 1.12 .281 45.4 1989 St. Louis - MLB 24 34 34 13 14 0 3.14 258.0 246 106 90 8 79 156 8 2 1.26 .294 45.5 1990 St. Louis - MLB 25 33 33 23 5 0 2.56 256.1 220 81 73 5 77 144 5 3 1.16 .270 70.6 1991 St. Louis - MLB 26 33 33 15 12 0 3.20 250.2 232 98 89 11 73 125 7 3 1.22 .276 49.4 1994 St. Louis - MLB 29 2 0 0 0 0 0.00 1.2 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 0.60 .000 1.1 1996 St. Louis - MLB 31 2 0 0 0 0 0.00 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 2.00 .250 0.6 Total MLB 7 yrs. 174 170 88 55 0 2.89 1287.2 1169 482 414 37 359 740 40 12 1.19 .280 296.6

[Ksyrup]

Fernando...injuries killed his career later on (he worked his butt off to get back with the Tigers, pitched well, then got injured again), but interesting how he was converted to a closer in 81 - FernandoMania year IRL - but never closed again.

Career Pitching Stats

Year/Team/League Age G GS W L SV ERA IP HA R ER HR BB K CG SHO WHIP BABIP VORP 1980 Los Angeles - MLB 19 36 36 10 16 0 3.29 257.1 237 113 94 16 104 159 7 0 1.33 .275 46.2 1981 Los Angeles - MLB 20 47 0 2 7 27 1.81 54.2 43 16 11 0 22 55 0 0 1.19 .289 16.5 1982 Los Angeles - MLB 21 37 37 17 13 0 2.91 287.2 246 102 93 24 73 224 10 0 1.11 .271 61.4 1983 Los Angeles - MLB 22 32 32 22 5 0 2.50 255.1 191 79 71 16 91 206 8 1 1.10 .251 72.9 1984 Los Angeles - MLB 23 24 24 13 4 0 1.49 198.2 144 41 33 7 77 159 11 7 1.11 .253 73.7 1985 Los Angeles - MLB 24 31 31 18 8 0 3.11 252.0 200 95 87 8 109 231 10 4 1.23 .277 53.6 1986 Los Angeles - MLB 25 33 33 15 12 0 4.27 248.2 235 125 118 21 115 230 7 2 1.41 .315 18.6 1987 Los Angeles - MLB 26 27 26 10 11 0 4.44 188.1 193 113 93 18 89 129 9 2 1.50 .298 16.9 1988 Los Angeles - MLB 27 23 4 1 1 0 4.06 51.0 54 28 23 3 36 24 0 0 1.76 .293 2.6 1989 Los Angeles - MLB 28 3 0 0 1 0 14.40 5.0 11 8 8 1 4 5 0 0 3.00 .526 -5.6 1990 Detroit - MLB 29 14 14 4 4 0 3.44 96.2 85 41 37 6 51 46 2 0 1.41 .257 17.8 Total MLB 11 yrs. 307 237 112 82 27 3.17 1895.1 1639 761 668 120 771 1468 64 16 1.27 .278 374.6

[Ksyrup]

Reggie Jackson...I'm trying to figure out how he ended up on Oakland after his first year with KC, because there's absolutely no history explaining the roster move. Destiny?

Career Batting Stats

Year/Team/League Age G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB HP SF K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS VORP 1967 Kansas City - MLB 21 92 191 44 11 5 3 21 22 27 6 4 48 6 2 .230 .338 .387 .725 8.4 1968 Oakland - MLB 22 159 593 144 20 5 31 107 98 91 13 5 148 29 7 .243 .353 .450 .804 48.0 1969 Oakland - MLB 23 138 523 130 18 3 26 96 82 88 10 4 125 12 3 .249 .365 .444 .808 30.8 1970 Oakland - MLB 24 142 467 151 21 4 43 111 113 90 13 3 97 25 8 .323 .443 .662 1.105 88.6 1971 Oakland - MLB 25 162 624 179 26 2 40 113 100 74 5 3 127 17 4 .287 .365 .527 .893 64.3 1972 Oakland - MLB 26 156 596 162 23 5 24 99 89 70 7 4 144 4 2 .272 .353 .448 .801 45.2 1973 Oakland - MLB 27 162 620 193 32 13 39 123 114 84 7 7 118 9 10 .311 .396 .594 .989 81.2 1974 Oakland - MLB 28 161 612 163 28 7 33 115 102 78 7 13 122 28 5 .266 .349 .497 .846 56.8 1975 Oakland - MLB 29 162 637 176 29 2 32 108 109 81 8 8 110 10 5 .276 .361 .479 .840 52.7 1976 Oakland - MLB 30 150 601 145 26 6 31 87 81 61 2 4 133 19 10 .241 .311 .459 .771 27.3 1977 Oakland - MLB 31 148 583 157 30 2 34 109 94 68 5 5 161 15 3 .269 .348 .503 .851 40.4 1978 Oakland - MLB 32 148 587 171 29 7 36 127 102 78 7 9 140 10 5 .291 .376 .549 .924 62.3 1979 Oakland - MLB 33 148 582 178 21 3 35 121 112 85 3 6 140 7 2 .306 .393 .533 .926 67.7 1980 Oakland - MLB 34 117 451 116 15 1 27 77 70 56 1 6 115 1 2 .257 .337 .475 .811 31.3 1981 Chicago - MLB 35 162 616 172 21 1 31 121 90 94 1 6 153 2 1 .279 .372 .468 .840 46.1 1982 Chicago - MLB 36 153 461 118 11 1 33 78 75 82 1 1 129 4 3 .256 .369 .499 .868 37.6 1983 Chicago - MLB 37 140 426 105 12 3 30 93 67 74 0 3 100 2 2 .246 .356 .500 .856 24.4 1984 Chicago - MLB 38 118 333 63 7 5 11 37 48 44 1 0 96 11 2 .189 .286 .339 .625 -9.4 1985 Chicago - MLB 39 147 379 101 22 1 22 87 53 84 2 1 99 1 0 .266 .401 .504 .905 28.7 1986 Chicago - MLB 40 138 443 107 19 2 20 58 64 63 2 4 127 2 1 .242 .336 .429 .765 5.7 1987 Montreal - MLB 41 101 156 45 5 1 7 32 21 19 3 1 31 1 3 .288 .374 .468 .842 7.5 1988 Montreal - MLB 42 95 200 45 11 0 8 28 23 21 2 2 43 0 1 .225 .302 .400 .702 0.9 1989 Cincinnati - MLB 43 19 15 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 8 0 0 .067 .125 .067 .192 -2.5 1990 Cincinnati - MLB 44 43 45 9 0 0 0 3 3 12 0 1 14 0 1 .200 .362 .200 .562 -1.4 Total MLB 24 yrs. 3161 10741 2875 437 79 596 1951 1732 1525 106 100 2528 215 82 .268 .361 .490 .851 842.8

[Eaglesfan27]

One thing that is mildly disappointing. Pitch Speed still doesn't seem to have any effect in the game. I traded for Nolan Ryan and he had a vastly underrated velocity, so I went into commish mode and the editor and changing his velocity had no effect on the estimated stats. Only changing movement, stuff, or control changed the estimated season stats.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Reggie Jackson...I'm trying to figure out how he ended up on Oakland after his first year with KC, because there's absolutely no history explaining the roster move. Destiny?

The A's moved from Kansas City to Oakland that year.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

One thing that is mildly disappointing. Pitch Speed still doesn't seem to have any effect in the game. I traded for Nolan Ryan and he had a vastly underrated velocity, so I went into commish mode and the editor and changing his velocity had no effect on the estimated stats. Only changing movement, stuff, or control changed the estimated season stats.

From what I've seen velocity in itself doesn't affect anything directly. However, I do think velocity affects the effectiveness of the pitches a pitcher will throw. Check my post on the pitcher that I messed around with giving the knuckleball. I've been meaning to screw around with that more but haven't found the time.

[Marc Duffy]

But I'm still gunshy from OOTP2006, which I never even got through a full season on. I'm kind of disappointed there's not a discount given to those who purchased OOTP2006 considering it was released only about 9 months ago.

We tried to contact everyone once we announced 2007 with a 20% discount. This ran out and was replaced by a 10% one too. I'm sorry you never got the emails - we did try!

[SirFozzie]

I just finished entering the team names for a 31 division, 294 team College League Template for OOTP2007. That's right, all 293 Teams and 1 made up team to balance things out.

If I can found someplace to host the template (probably a VERY huge file), I will put up the link, but I'm doing my best to add accurate Cities/Colors/Uniforms, etcetera.

[yabanci]

Originally Posted by yabanci

As far as I can tell, you have to:

1. go game settings>league setup>edit ballparks
2. lick the second tab (pictures & coordinates)
3. either type or cut & paste the exact file name for each ballpark, both day and night versions, if available.
4. repeat over and over until you go through all the teams.

Then you have the mess of lining up the player coordinates.

Then, if you want ballparks to affect the game other than just being an extra graphic, you have to go back to the "park profile" tab and manually input for each team the ballpark type, surface, capacity, ballpark factors, outfield wall distances, and wall heights.

Then shave the long white beard you grew while doing all of this busywork.

I asked earlier in the thread how people manage this mess, but nobody replied. Maybe there's an easier way. It'd be nice to know.

Just to clarify, in step two you want to *click* the second tab. Licking it would be useless and might cause problems with your monitor or girlfriend/wife.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

The A's moved from Kansas City to Oakland that year.

And I moved to the State of Idiocy yesterday.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by yabanci

Just to clarify, in step two you want to *click* the second tab. Licking it would be useless and might cause problems with your monitor or girlfriend/wife.

NOW you tell me!

[molson]

Originally Posted by Bee

NOW you tell me!

Lesson learned Bee.

[MizzouRah]

I'm going to start messing with a historical sim tonight when I get home. There is a historical template I think I'm going to use. Can't wait to see the 1982 Cardinals in action!

[Ksyrup]

I'm trying to understand the requirements and limitations of setting up a league. In the manual, it says that the number of subleagues cannot be changed after the game starts. Does this mean that I can't create two single, independent leagues and combine them at some point in the future?

[Ksyrup]

BTW, I'm pretty sure this wasn't posted here yesterday. I hope Markus is able to work through these issues OK.

Markus Heinsohn
Developer OOTP



Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: London, Islington
Posts: 7,488

[twothree]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm trying to understand the requirements and limitations of setting up a league. In the manual, it says that the number of subleagues cannot be changed after the game starts. Does this mean that I can't create two single, independent leagues and combine them at some point in the future?

A subleague is a group of teams within a league. A subleague is not an independent league or minor league. Think of a subleague as a division of the league into two groupings of teams with the winner of each group playing in the championship series. Each subleague can have the DH rule turned on or off.

Now to combine your two independent leagues in the future, you would have to create a new league (with one or two subleagues, your choice) and then move your teams from your two old independent leagues into your newly created league. And, then delete the two old independent leagues.

Edit: You can change the number of subleagues in a league during the offseason and preseason. Section 25.4.6 of the manual.

[Ryche]

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

We tried to contact everyone once we announced 2007 with a 20% discount. This ran out and was replaced by a 10% one too. I'm sorry you never got the emails - we did try!

It's likely I missed it, I pretty much abandoned the yahoo email it would have gone to because it's been spam flooded.

No worries, I'll likely be getting this soon. Just have to figure out how (or if) I tell the wife I'm buying another game. Might just buy it and let her assume it's the old version

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

BTW, I'm pretty sure this wasn't posted here yesterday. I hope Markus is able to work through these issues OK.

Jesus, that sounds really .... bad. I hope he's alright.

[Young Drachma]

I'm pleased with the ability this version to keep great players out of the lower independent leagues, by taking well below their market value. That was a huge problem in 2006 and it seems to be gone or at least, not as big a problem now than it was before.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by twothree

Now to combine your two independent leagues in the future, you would have to create a new league (with one or two subleagues, your choice) and then move your teams from your two old independent leauges into your newly created league. And, then delete the two old independent leauges.

That's what I was thinking. Thanks.

[LionsFan10]

I don't want to be a pain in the ass, but is it possible for one of our more knowledgeable members to post a short list of what years certain changes were made in the MLB that OOTP doesn't automatically do for you? Like free agency for instance ....

I just purchased the game based on this thread alone, but I don't quite know when these changes were made and I see that guys like Ksyrup seems to know exactly when these changes were made. Just a simple list like "1970 - Free Agency" and so on down the list? I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks in advance.

[Ksyrup]

Just off the top of my head - and people are free to add to this or change it - arbitration started in 1973, Free agency came in around 1976, revenue sharing in 2002. The ones I'm not sure about are waivers, 40-man rosters, Rule 5 draft, minor league free agency...there are probably a few others I'm missing. I usually add waivers and Rule 5 once FA starts, but I'm sure that's not right.

[LionsFan10]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Just off the top of my head - and people are free to add to this or change it - arbitration started in 1973, Free agency came in around 1976, revenue sharing in 2002. The ones I'm not sure about are waivers, 40-man rosters, Rule 5 draft, minor league free agency...there are probably a few others I'm missing. I usually add waivers and Rule 5 once FA starts, but I'm sure that's not right.

Thanks man, you've been a real help with this game so far. I appreciate it.

[Atocep]

First MLB draft was in 1921

Rule 5 draft goes back to at least 1933

[Dekanth]

Originally Posted by Dekanth

I have read through most, but not all of this thread, so forgive me if I missed it anywhere, but has anybody actually played this game yet, or are you all just simming historical stuff?

I would love to know how it is to play a fictional league. How is the player development? How are the drafts? How is the AI when it comes to lineups, rotations, trading, drafting, etc?

I appreciate how this game appeals to historical simmers, but I never do that, so I am curious how it fares as a true text sim game.

Not to be a pain in the ass, but is anybody actually playing this game as a GM/manager with a non-historical replay? I would really love to hear how that aspect of the game is working before I think about purchasing. There is not even much talk about this on the OOTP forums. Very strange.

[SirFozzie]

Rule 5 Draft started in 1950 (Roberto Clemente was a Rule 5 Selection)

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Rule 5 Draft started in 1950 (Roberto Clemente was a Rule 5 Selection)

There's records of rule 5 picks going back further than that. I found Red Sox players drafed in the rule 5 draft dating back to 1933. Couldn't find anything earlier than that, but it could very well go back even further.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Dekanth

Not to be a pain in the ass, but is anybody actually playing this game as a GM/manager with a non-historical replay? I would really love to hear how that aspect of the game is working before I think about purchasing. There is not even much talk about this on the OOTP forums. Very strange.

I'm surprised by that to, but I think that replaying may be the best way to test the engine and see how the multitude of options actually effects game play.

I've strarted a solo ficitional league. I'm managing every game, so I haven't gotten very far, but the test leagues I ran all looked good. The only big complaint I've read on the OOTP forums involves the scouting system. So I've shut that off, and am using a 1-5 scale, with leaves room for plenty of mystery as to "real ratings", and makes me rely on performance.

I'm doing an old school 1875 small fictional league, 4 divisions, 16 teams, no financials, no free agency, no scouts, no coaching, no 40-man roster, no rule V, 1 level of minors, and an exclusive feeder league. I've expanded by two teams in testing and it worked great.

I really like this format because good teams are good for a while, and then suddenly collapse when their big star retires. I think it's easier to be immersed and have a sense of your league.

Anyway, I've been very impressed thus far. Immersion factor is great - better than I can remember in any other sim (I don't play FM).