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Old 07-16-2018, 12:50 PM   #11251
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I'm guessing that the US has some pretty good work behind the scenes too, but I'd rather just know it's there and not hear about it in a world court or in Newsweek.

I doubt it's as good as this. They got the ruling party in this country to lick their boots.
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:52 PM   #11252
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:01 PM   #11253
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i kept thinking of this scene through the whole press conference

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Old 07-16-2018, 01:10 PM   #11254
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Germany's foreign secretary after the summit: "We can no longer completely rely on the White House"
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:02 PM   #11255
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Germany's foreign secretary after the summit: "We can no longer completely rely on the White House"

The language used is no coincidence, because in that same interview he was also emphasizing the similarity in interests and the good relations between Germany/Europe and "the US" since WW2, while explicitly stating (and not for the first time) that one can't rely on "the White House". Not the first time there has been made a distinction like that from politicians over here.

The general impression i am getting is that basically Germany and the EU as a whole will pretty much wait this shitshow out and is fine treading water rather than make any decision based on making Trump happy. And in the meantime they will work on contingency plans/policies in case the crazy person gets another term.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:03 PM   #11256
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This woman was very close to the NRA.

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A criminal complaint was unsealed today in the District of Columbia charging a Russian national with conspiracy to act as an agent of the Russian Federation within the United States without prior notification to the Attorney General.

The announcement was made by Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers, U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Jessie K. Liu, and Nancy McNamara, Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI’s Washington Field Office.

Mariia Butina, 29, a Russian citizen residing in Washington D.C., was arrested on July 15, 2018, in Washington, D.C., and made her initial appearance this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. She was ordered held pending a hearing set for July 18, 2018.

According to the affidavit in support of the complaint, from as early as 2015 and continuing through at least February 2017, Butina worked at the direction of a high-level official in the Russian government who was previously a member of the legislature of the Russian Federation and later became a top official at the Russian Central Bank. This Russian official was sanctioned by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control in April 2018.

The court filings detail the Russian official’s and Butina’s efforts for Butina to act as an agent of Russia inside the United States by developing relationships with U.S. persons and infiltrating organizations having influence in American politics, for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation. The filings also describe certain actions taken by Butina to further this effort during multiple visits from Russia and, later, when she entered and resided in the United States on a student visa. The filings allege that she undertook her activities without officially disclosing the fact that she was acting as an agent of Russian government, as required by law.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:06 PM   #11257
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Gonna get a head start on this, I'm bad at learning new languages.

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Old 07-16-2018, 02:16 PM   #11258
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I'm not a lawyer, so I may be misreading things, but this affidavit is Holy Shit bonkers.

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Old 07-16-2018, 02:20 PM   #11259
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BREAKING / NBC News: DOJ announces the arrest of Russian National Mariia Butina, age 29, for "infiltrating organizations having influence in American politics, for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation." She was arrested yesterday.


She was one that was reaching out to the NRA
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:36 PM   #11260
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I'm not a lawyer, so I may be misreading things, but this affidavit is Holy Shit bonkers.

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I'm not either, but I'd say its pretty damning. Can't wait until they reveal who "US person 1 and 2" are.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:54 PM   #11261
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It's worse than the worst case scenario. The Russians were using a GOP operative to establish backchannel communication between the Russians and GOP leaders through the NRA.

Makes all the Kushner/Flynn backchannel stuff during the transition more interesting, too.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:01 PM   #11262
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:14 PM   #11264
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:26 PM   #11265
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Judge in Manafort's case postponed a meeting on change of venue until next Mon morning. possible flipping?
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:36 PM   #11266
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Guess I was right about things moving quickly about Trump/Russia
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:45 PM   #11267
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And now a video from 2015 Freedom Fest where Trump was asked a question about US/Russia relations. And the woman asking? Maria Butina


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Old 07-16-2018, 04:05 PM   #11268
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Give it 24 hours and Trump will do something even more absurd and go on multiple twitter rants which the media will then follow and this will all blow over.

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Old 07-16-2018, 04:07 PM   #11269
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Where's Cam? He's got some explaining to do.
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:08 PM   #11270
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Give it 24 hours and Trump will do something even more absurd and go on multiple twitter rants which the media will then follow and this will all blow over.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Trump's problem is that Mueller doesn't care about any of that.
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:40 PM   #11271
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There's going to be a lot of these. That's the arrested spy with her Russian minder.

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Old 07-16-2018, 04:45 PM   #11272
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A glimpse into why Republicans have been throwing a fit over Sacha Baron Cohen's new show.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...merica-review/

First episode was just on over here: first half was not great:

First section was Bernie Sanders basically being professional and not calling him a twat. Wasn’t funny either.

Second section was an old Republican couple being grossed out by, well pretty gross/stupid conversation, but being polite and not throwing him out. Again, not funny at all.

Third section was an artist being up her own arse - no surprise there, or much humour

I nearly quit TBH because it was neither thought provoking or funny, but the last section saved it. I won’t ruin it, but it was far more clever in concept, preparation, delivery, and in the scope of both numbers and importance of the people involved (assuming they were who the captions said they were)

Even if you are generally behind the people being ridiculed, you can’t be happy about some of the idiotic things they agree to in conversation, and agree to say/promote while doing a promo to camera. Again all this assumes they are who they are captioned to be, otherwise the joke’s on me!

Either perservere through the first three sections, or just skip to the last bit as that is definitely worth watching.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:07 PM   #11273
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Where's Cam? He's got some explaining to do.


You'll find him on twitter preaching the good word about how background checks don't work and awarding a "good guy" of the day. You can guess what the good guy is packing!
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:16 PM   #11274
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You'll find him on twitter preaching the good word about how background checks don't work and awarding a "good guy" of the day. You can guess what the good guy is packing!

At least we know who's paying his bills. What a true patriot!
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:29 PM   #11275
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This should surprise no one.


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Old 07-16-2018, 06:03 PM   #11276
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Not shocking in the least that it was Rohrabacker.
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:21 PM   #11277
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First episode was just on over here: first half was not great:

First section was Bernie Sanders basically being professional and not calling him a twat. Wasn’t funny either.

Second section was an old Republican couple being grossed out by, well pretty gross/stupid conversation, but being polite and not throwing him out. Again, not funny at all.

Third section was an artist being up her own arse - no surprise there, or much humour

I nearly quit TBH because it was neither thought provoking or funny, but the last section saved it. I won’t ruin it, but it was far more clever in concept, preparation, delivery, and in the scope of both numbers and importance of the people involved (assuming they were who the captions said they were)

Even if you are generally behind the people being ridiculed, you can’t be happy about some of the idiotic things they agree to in conversation, and agree to say/promote while doing a promo to camera. Again all this assumes they are who they are captioned to be, otherwise the joke’s on me!

Either perservere through the first three sections, or just skip to the last bit as that is definitely worth watching.


Just finished watching it and, overall, I agree. The last segment is 100% must watch. It's seriously depressing to see people ok with what they were pitching. I'm guessing clips or quotes from this are going to end up in campaign ads soon.
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:22 PM   #11278
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what was the last segment?
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:06 PM   #11279
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:56 PM   #11280
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https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-r...review-698440/

I'm a Sepinwall fanboy, but I think this take on the show, and our country, is really good.

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I'm interested to see what current sitting congressmen did, sure. But, as a concept and a show? Meh.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:49 PM   #11281
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I'm not either, but I'd say its pretty damning. Can't wait until they reveal who "US person 1 and 2" are.


US Person 1 appears to be GOP Consultant Paul Erickson:


Maria Butina, Russian gun-rights advocate who sought to build ties with NRA, charged with acting as a covert Russian agent - The Washington Post
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:29 PM   #11282
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I think the moment when Trump said it's the US's fault that Russian-American relations are poor is the one that will ultimately bring him down.

First time I've been shocked by something he's said. Like, I literally gaped at the screen like a damn goldfish.

When even Joseph McCarthy is rolling over in his grave, anyone who supports him after this has crossed the Rubicon into idolatry with Trump as golden calf.

Sure enough, I've seen a few Tea Party Republican voters (not politicians AFAIK) declaring that they're now breaking with Trump.
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:42 PM   #11283
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Sure enough, I've seen a few Tea Party Republican voters (not politicians AFAIK) declaring that they're now breaking with Trump.

They'll turn on Rush Limbaugh tomorrow who'll spin the issues in such a fashion that the liberal media is to blame and then they'll be happy angry Republicans again.
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:48 PM   #11284
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I do feel like this does move him into a new metric.
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:11 PM   #11285
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what was the last segment?

Larry Pratt, Trent Lott, Dana Rohrabacher, Joe Walsh, and Joe Walsh recorded a promo that supported teaching kindgergarten classroom students how to defend themselves with "pistols, rifles, semi-automatics, and a rudimentary knowledge of mortars".
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Old 07-17-2018, 01:06 AM   #11286
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I guess this could be a poll.

But is it really possible this is blackmail? I’ve always assumed Russia was doing what a foe would do and just struck gold when the guy they helped would rather deny than admit his win was not all him.

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Old 07-17-2018, 01:19 AM   #11287
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Reading through Twitter on my phone this morning I had to actually watch the Trump-Putin video to see if it was just a case of Trump being trump causing the usual "impeach him" outrage or if it was next level. But yeah...
Whole thing felt like the final big payoff for Putin - make Trump look like a weak buffoon on the world stage and shatter all remaining confidence in the US internationally in the most demeaning way possible. Must be some particular spicy pee videos Putin and co. have in their archives.
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Old 07-17-2018, 01:23 AM   #11288
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I guess this could be a poll.

But is it really possible this is blackmail? I’ve always assumed Russia was doing what a foe would do and just struck gold when the guy they helped would rather deny than admit his win was not all him.

I've joked about it ever since the pee video rumours, but is there any doubt at this stage? Only question I think is what it is - either something personal on Trump, or the threat of personal financial ruin. Even the election rigging wouldn't be enough on its own to explain that performance IMO.
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Old 07-17-2018, 03:46 AM   #11289
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But is it really possible this is blackmail?

What If Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?
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Old 07-17-2018, 04:11 AM   #11290
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Wow. Trump just sold out the USA.

No wonder our government is pivoting towards a closer relationship with China.

Even this bumpkin from the Philippines can see it. What a twat.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:55 AM   #11291
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I've joked about it ever since the pee video rumours, but is there any doubt at this stage? Only question I think is what it is - either something personal on Trump, or the threat of personal financial ruin. Even the election rigging wouldn't be enough on its own to explain that performance IMO.

Corbes article above alluded to Russian financial support or embarrassing pictures.

His business(es) has had financial support from Russia interests for a while now. I also think the specter of his election being tarnished/illegitimate because of Russian interference weighs on him. So easily believe these key reasons of how he reacts to Russia.

The embarrassing pictures is probably the most dubious. If it was peeing, it would be damaging (is there a lot of evidence for this for is it from one source?) and he would probably claim it was doctored. If it was him having regular sex, I doubt he would care that much.

Regardless of the three factors, I still struggle with why he is doing this. If he was beholden to Russia, you would think he would find less visible and less combative ways of "complying" and not tarnish (more) his Presidency in the history books.

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Old 07-17-2018, 06:55 AM   #11292
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I've joked about it ever since the pee video rumours, but is there any doubt at this stage? Only question I think is what it is - either something personal on Trump, or the threat of personal financial ruin. Even the election rigging wouldn't be enough on its own to explain that performance IMO.


Could be as simple as money laundering for the Russian mob.
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Regardless of the three factors, I still struggle with why he is doing this. If he was beholden to Russia, you would think he would find less visible and less combative ways of "complying" and not tarnish (more) his Presidency in the history books.




Because he's not that smart and is too stubborn to take advice from people who know better who could couch things like politicians always did.
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Could be as simple as money laundering for the Russian mob.

I read somewhere that Mueller probably has Trump's tax returns. Never done money laundering but I would think there would be evidence for that in his/company's tax returns.
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Maybe I'm naive, but isn't it the point of money laundering that it doesn't show up in your taxes?

***yes, I know you could have some holes in things or absurdly high interest amounts that don't match your income or whatever, but the point is, if you're money laundering, you're probably not going to report it on your taxes. What the taxes can show is who you're paying interest to, where your reported income is coming from, etc.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:11 AM   #11296
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I don't think Trump was having his money cleaned. If, as his own sons have stated, he was selling a lot of condos in cash to Russians, those LLCs could be traced back to individuals and the sources of the money figured out.

But I'd bet there are problems for Trump extending well beyond that in his financial records.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:26 AM   #11297
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Right-wing media seemed a bit shocked yesterday, but already have recovered and moved on to covering and denouncing the "liberal overreaction" to yesterday's event while pushing articles declaring the summit to be a success. In case you were thinking that this might somehow be a turning point.

Apparently the only other option was for Trump to declare an all out war on Russia that would have already killed is after the nukes were fired, so it's hard to argue that Trump didn't do a great job.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:42 AM   #11298
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Right-wing media seemed a bit shocked yesterday, but already have recovered and moved on to covering and denouncing the "liberal overreaction" to yesterday's event while pushing articles declaring the summit to be a success. In case you were thinking that this might somehow be a turning point.

And GOP electeds are getting in on the act.


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Old 07-17-2018, 12:23 PM   #11299
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NowThis on Twitter: "Trump's thoughts on Brexit is like a college student trying to pull off a presentation on a book they didn't read… "

If he didn't have such power, he'd be soooo amusing. I mean, why couldn't you have a system where there is one person with the power and then one is a figure-head, he'd be so perfectly amusing to watch in such a role with high visibility but limited power
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NowThis on Twitter: "Trump's thoughts on Brexit is like a college student trying to pull off a presentation on a book they didn't read… "

If he didn't have such power, he'd be soooo amusing. I mean, why couldn't you have a system where there is one person with the power and then one is a figure-head, he'd be so perfectly amusing to watch in such a role with high visibility but limited power

King Donald the First. He'd love that.
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