Werewolf CXXVII -- The Godfather, VILLAGERS WIN

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by tyketime

With less than an hour to go, I'd like to ask whether you still stand by this vote? I'm going to soon have to place a defensive vote, and I'm trying to get a feel for whether you had a real reason or not.

I don't know yet. I'm very ready to change, but this is pretty important for me. There are other people I'd vote on if they were in the running.

[Autumn]

I'm not saying we give these guys free passes - I don't think anyone was saying that. I was simply explaining why I felt like we were getting less traction on "voting the quiet people" than we normally do.

Yes, of course, definitely, if someone is normally a very vocal player and is suddenly quiet, we put the sights on them.

Out of that list, I would not call Narcizo quiet at all. Zinto and Martin are typically quiet. Darth is hit or miss on activity, and J23 I think is about as active as usual.

[jeff061]

Subject to change again:

Unvote Tyke

Vote Saldana

At least I'm hearing from Tyke.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by tyketime
On day 1, we had the issue/concern about non-voters. On Day 2, my concern is folks who have registered a vote with little to no reasoning behind it. And have not made much of an appearance. How long do we continue to give folks "the benefit of the doubt"?

Originally Posted by jeff061

Tyke you have to think this through. Right now what exactly is a good reason? Who has one? I'm in defense mode. My name was put out there when Zinto said that the lead vote getter likely has a wolf on him.

And no offense, but you and Crimson are all over the god damned place with your thinking. You are kind of creating pointless deadend lines of thought(which is my reason for crying wolf on you) and Crimson is just spazzing out .

Actually this post by tyke was actually thoughtful. The analysis on day 1 was nonvoters and day two is becoming about quiet people. tyke and I have yet to vote and you're really making it easy to vote for you.

[J23]

I feel like I've actually been more active than usual, though that might be just because it's taken more effort given the deadline is in the middle of my workday.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by mckerney

I'm not unwilling to change from jeff. Care to give your reasoning on Saldana?

Just vibe really, and process of elimination. I think Jeff and Tyke have both been active and helpful so far. In contrast, Saldana hasn't really posted much. His vote reasoning yesterday was a little off, and I think there was one other post that struck me odd. He's just more suspicious than the other two to me, though I still feel CF is a stronger pick out of the four (not that that's saying much).

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm not saying we give these guys free passes - I don't think anyone was saying that. I was simply explaining why I felt like we were getting less traction on "voting the quiet people" than we normally do.

Yes, of course, definitely, if someone is normally a very vocal player and is suddenly quiet, we put the sights on them.

Out of that list, I would not call Narcizo quiet at all. Zinto and Martin are typically quiet. Darth is hit or miss on activity, and J23 I think is about as active as usual.

We can take Narcizo off. I'm not really worried about if they are typically active or not. That's irrelevant, I'm not implying guilt based off change of behavior. Just usefulness to our cause, when there is not any concrete information the least useful should go first. Nothing personal towards them, I'm sure they have legit reasons, just keeping it black and white.

At least that's my line of thought.

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Originally Posted by tyketime
On day 1, we had the issue/concern about non-voters. On Day 2, my concern is folks who have registered a vote with little to no reasoning behind it. And have not made much of an appearance. How long do we continue to give folks "the benefit of the doubt"?



Actually this post by tyke was actually thoughtful. The analysis on day 1 was nonvoters and day two is becoming about quiet people. tyke and I have yet to vote and you're really making it easy to vote for you.

[J23]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Not going by post counts, just my own perception, guys please feel free to disagree. I was not able to catch up with most postings that happened late last night or early this morning.

Who I see as being quieter that I don't have any feel for reputation wise:
Zinto(hit and run on me)
J23(one of the wolves from my previous example)
MartinD
Narcizo
Darth Vilus


Quick scan that's what I get. I of course have no hard proof on any of them. Don't take it like that.


And for what it's worth I'm not sure I understand the logic behind giving a potential wolf a free pass because they made good villagers in the past...that sounds pretty dangerous.

Jeff, what was the previous example you were talking about regarding me?

[jeff061]

Watchmen.

[jeff061]

But I don't really want to rely on that, probably shouldn't have mentioned it.

[CrimsonFox]

potato potahto at this point. SUre I"ll go here for now. Might tell us something. I might make a late switch. Can I take over the "shenanigans" position that danny keeps accusing Pass of?

Vote Jeff

[MartinD]

I'm not used to being around this close to deadline - had started to type up a post based on there being a field of four to choose from, hit 'preview' to catch up with recent posts, and I find that things have changed in what's not much more than a few minutes...

It's now looking like the vote is between jeff061 and saldana. While saldana's vote just before deadline was important in swinging the lynch vote towards mauboy, I'm inclined to think that this might have been 'villager trying to be helpful and getting it wrong', which is all too possible at this stage of the game. Another reason for this vote is something I picked up in an earlier post - nothing concrete, but enough to make me think that this is the right way to go.

VOTE JEFF061

[CrimsonFox]

I'm really thinking double votes will come into play today.

[Autumn]

If it stays this close I will likely vote whoever is in the lead to increase the gap, and avoid a tie, fair warning.

[CrimsonFox]

That's the point. I think if it ends up equal, then it won't be because of the double votes.

[jeff061]

I got 1 guy on my list and 1 guy that's suffering from butt hurt putting me over the top .

So... lil help? Don't have much left to say on my part.

[Lathum]

anyone have a vote count?

[CrimsonFox]

Is this right?

jeff061 -- 6 Zinto (242) The Jackal (316) mckerney (322) J23 (427) CrimsonFox (462) MartinD (463)
saldana -- 5 EagleFan (294) Narcizo (300) bhlloy (400) Lathum (444) jeff061 (453)
tyketime -- 4 Darth Vilus (295) Danny (315) saldana (384)
CrimsonFox -- 1 Autumn (336)

[Autumn]

Jeff061 6 – Zinto(242), The Jackal(316), mckerney(322), J23 (427), crimson fox (462), martinD (463)
Crimson Fox 1 – Autumn (337)
Tyketime 3 – Darth Vilus (295), Danny(315), saldana (384)
Saldana 5 – Eaglefan (294), Narcizo (298), bhlloy (400), Lathum (444), jeff061 (453)

[Passacaglia]

jeff061 -- 6 Zinto (242) The Jackal (316) mckerney (322) J23 (427) CrimsonFox (462) MartinD (463)
CrimsonFox -- 1 Autumn (336)
tyketime -- 3 Darth Vilus (295) Danny (315) saldana (384)
saldana -- 5 EagleFan (294) Narcizo (300) bhlloy (400) Lathum (444) jeff061 (453)

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Lathum

anyone have a vote count?

I think that it's 6-5 (jeff061 over saldana), but may be wrong - that's based on a quick check back over recent posts.

[Passacaglia]

2 against 1, Autumn and I win.

[MartinD]

Is that enough info for you, Lathum?

[Passacaglia]

Although, Autumn managed to get the post number of his own vote wrong! Way to go, dude.

[Autumn]

Should be two more votes out there, but it's not looking like those are coming. I don't feel strong enough either way about Jeff or Saldana, much more strongly about avoiding ties. I'll switch to Jeff if no other votes come in.

[Narcizo]

jeff 6
CF 1
Tyke 3
Sal 5

Is what I make it. Quite the inexplicable run on Jeff. Have we time to go over what exactly the case is against him? I don't understand why Martin is being coy about what he saw from Jeff.

[mckerney]

Going to trust Autumn right now.

[b]Unvote jeff061
Vote Saldana[

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

That's the point. I think if it ends up equal, then it won't be because of the double votes.

I think you may be right there. But to make sure double votes on me don't push me back into contention (if I vote Jeff, I fear he will change his back to me) - so this is defensive

VOTE SALDANA

[CrimsonFox]

[JAG]

Hmmmm

[mckerney]

Dammit

Unvote jeff061
Vote Saldana

[Narcizo]

Last to the Ball again.

Any reason why a tie is automatically bad Autumn?

[CrimsonFox]

mckerney try that again.

[CrimsonFox]

ah good

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by tyketime

I think you may be right there. But to make sure double votes on me don't push me back into contention (if I vote Jeff, I fear he will change his back to me) - so this is defensive

VOTE SALDANA

We need to stop voting at the same time. :/

[J23]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Watchmen.

Yeah, I think I missed day1 there, and then day1 of Vegas the next game. Hence my first post in this game thread.

As far as how much I contributed there, I think I was quieter than I have been thus far this game, but who knows.

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Last to the Ball again.

Any reason why a tie is automatically bad Autumn?

A tie means that everyone involved in the tie gets killed.

[CrimsonFox]

jeff061 -- 5 Zinto (242) The Jackal (316) J23 (427) CrimsonFox (462) MartinD (463)
CrimsonFox -- 1 Autumn (336)
tyketime -- 3 Darth Vilus (295) Danny (315) saldana (384)
saldana -- 7 EagleFan (294) Narcizo (300) bhlloy (400) Lathum (444) jeff061 (453) tyketime (479) mckerney (482)

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Last to the Ball again.

Any reason why a tie is automatically bad Autumn?

I think that right now any tie that isn't caused by hidden votes will probably result in two villagers getting lynched. Don't think wolves would allow a tie with one of their own involved.

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by mckerney

We need to stop voting at the same time. :/

Aww dude... I can't hit refresh quick enough at this point.

[Autumn]

Well, that was weird.

What do you mean, trust me, Mckerney?

[Zinto]

I am going to apologize again guys since I was hoping this game I would increase my activity but today I slept right through my alarm clock. I have not been able to read everything yet but I am hoping to be able to discuss better after the deadline.

[CrimsonFox]

hmmmmm, not sure what to think about this.
If saldana isn't a wolf, the first four were already looking suspicious to me.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Last to the Ball again.

Any reason why a tie is automatically bad Autumn?

As long as we would've missed a wolf by not tying, I don't think it is. If we lynch two villagers it's bad of course, but then we're trying not to do that, no?

Vote Jeff

Just have to go with my best guess for now, I've seen two recent sal games where he was a wolf and I don't feel it for him this go around.

[J23]

Well, with all these late moves, we should certainly have stuff to discuss after the dust settles.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Looking at some of today's later votes:

Danny gave no reason to vote for tyke today.
bhlloy and Jackal both gave the same reason for their #3 votes on me and jeff, respectively: that they wanted to make a third candidate. That reason gets overused and is too convenient IMHO.

That's not exactly true, CF, my reasoning for voting Jeff is that he was an early voter on mau. Adding a third person in was just a bonus.

[The Jackal]

Goodness, this is looking close.

(slightly off topic: Can you explain your vote from yesterday sometime, Martin? Doesn't have to be before this deadline, but sometime soon would be nice)

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, that was weird.

What do you mean, trust me, Mckerney?

It means I'm hoping your analysis on saldana being more suspicious and jeff being helpful is right. I don't feel I have much to go on myself other than thinking mau voters might be wolves.

Also, late moves on jeff have me somewhat worried.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

That's not exactly true, CF, my reasoning for voting Jeff is that he was an early voter on mau. Adding a third person in was just a bonus.

I realize there are no good reasons, which is why it's hard to argue my innocence so early. But I believe at that point my options were pile onto the lead, add a new candidate or throw an early vote on a candidate.

Generally I don't like piling on and spreading things thin day 1.