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Lathum · 04-19-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

I think you missed the fact that Autumn had voted JAG earlier in the day.

No I didn't.

His vote is the perfect trust buyer, and by now many of us know how good a villager Jag is, so there was little danger of him being lynched. Autumn then cleverly shifts his vote, with little scrutiny. But he isn't fooling me, NOT ONE BIT!!!!!

Telle · 04-19-2011, 01:53 PM

Sooo.. you were "+1"ing the comment about late votes on JAG, which applied to you, but not the comment about early votes on JAG, which applied to Autumn?

Autumn · 04-19-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

I think you missed the fact that Autumn had voted JAG earlier in the day.

Seemingly not, since that's why he's voting me, for voting JAG and presumably trying to draw attention to the cunning.

Lathum · 04-19-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Sooo.. you were "+1"ing the comment about late votes on JAG, which applied to you, but not the comment about early votes on JAG, which applied to Autumn?

yep!!

Autumn · 04-19-2011, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

Sooo.. you were "+1"ing the comment about late votes on JAG, which applied to you, but not the comment about early votes on JAG, which applied to Autumn?

Not the sort of nuanced response I normally expect from Lathum.

Narcizo · 04-19-2011, 02:03 PM

Anyway - I'm pretty much going to have to go. I'm leaving my vote where it is as a signal about activity. Considering I think we need to find out if Packer is good or bad and then using that to decide about other day one voters. So I think the J23 vote is just basically voting for Packer but wanting to have another candidate for the sake of it. Don't really know where else to look at the moment. You¨guys will have to sort things out. Sorry.

Telle · 04-19-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Not the sort of nuanced response I normally expect from Lathum.

Actually it's about what I expect from Lathum. He says/does something that makes very little sense.. and then leaves it to use to tease out the meaning.

hoopsguy · 04-19-2011, 03:00 PM

Narcizo, sorry that I missed your question earlier - my initial thought was to see if a runaway emerged on PF. If it had, I probably would have gone contrarian thinking we had a bad candidate. But that hasn't happened, which makes me feel (at least for now) that I'm on the right candidate.

Beyond that, I would probably continue the strategy of voting for quieter players in the game that we had adopted on Day 1. The idea of voting for the quiet guys as a way to prod them is a sound one, but doesn't hold up as well if it is a one day thing and then we return to the regularly scheduled feeding frenzy on the more active posters. Obviously, I would discount quieter players who had some reason to be trusted - I think Zinto falls into that group but dwarz, mauboy, and DT do not (3 lowest posters alive right now).

If I was picking one of those guys to target it would likely be mauboy, whose posts have seemed a little off and who is considerably more quiet than I think he normally is. But for now, I'm content to ride the PF train until such time as I think it is no longer a good vote.

EagleFan · 04-19-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Why the switch without any reasoning? You seemed pretty confident in voting for me and possibly Thomkal for our votes on JAG last night, did something change?

I said a reason. Plus I never said confident about you but that you and Thomkal do have a high enough chance that one of you are a wolf due to the vote. You are really pinging me at this point to be honest.

I don't think I have ever had the person that I changed my vote away from complain about it...

PackerFanatic · 04-19-2011, 03:14 PM

VOTE J23

Placeholder vote, really don't like it, but need to save my butt (again!) I should be on later to move this.

Zinto · 04-19-2011, 03:17 PM

I am not really a fan of either of the people that we have on the block right now. I am not opposed of going after one of the quieter people again and as Hoops said I am not a fan of some of the things he has said so far.

Vote Mau

Zinto · 04-19-2011, 03:24 PM

Also I am wondering what happened to Gonzo I am thinking it is more around the lines that he forgot that he joined the game and I am hoping that he is just a vanilla villager since I would feel bad for us villagers if he had a role and bad for the wolves if he was a wolf who was not around.

bhlloy · 04-19-2011, 03:24 PM

unvote J23

You guys have done a good job of outlining why this doesn't make sense for today I think. No need to go through with it when it's essentially the same as a PF vote. telle - take this as a "maybe you were right in this case"

So... we're down to PF (to clear up a lot of day 1) or taking a shot at a random quiet player? I'd pretty strongly support the first. I do agree that mau's said a lot of stuff that makes no sense, but that's just his game from what I remember. I'm getting a bit of a wierd vibe from DT and he had a throwaway vote on day 1 that is very easily buried. If we're going to take a shot at one of the three that might be the direction I would go in.

Telle · 04-19-2011, 03:27 PM

I could get on a DT vote. I do find his voting on Day 1 strange, as I explained earlier.

MrBug708 · 04-19-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

unvote mrbug

vote J23

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I said a reason. Plus I never said confident about you but that you and Thomkal do have a high enough chance that one of you are a wolf due to the vote. You are really pinging me at this point to be honest.

I don't think I have ever had the person that I changed my vote away from complain about it...

Not complaining about it, just found it odd that you laid out your reasoning for not liking my vote and then decided that you were voting for me, but then when you switched off of me, you didn't leave any reason for doing it. I went to look back and saw a few posts later that you wanted two main candidates, which isn't a bad reason to vote for someone. I just found it odd that you voted first and then gave a brief reason why after previously thinking things through and then voting

Telle · 04-19-2011, 03:41 PM

Well I'm heading home.. so I'm going to get my vote out there. I know this is only expanding the list, but I'll be around later to move it to consolidate if need be.

vote DaddyTorgo

PackerFanatic · 04-19-2011, 03:47 PM

Okay...I have been toying with this thought all day, and it seems I really have nothing to lose doing this: I am Akela, the Duke. My thoughts for revealing now are this - I could stay back in the shadows, let the votes pile up on me, and randomly choose someone to duke the vote to. I don't recall if the duke is revealed at that point (I don't think so) but either way, it'd be fairly obvious it was me. I'd survive for one more day at least and likely be NK'd tomorrow. Either way, my odds of hitting a wolf alone tonight are pretty slim (especially since I don't have a good read on anyone). Instead, hopefully you all believe me and can move off me onto the next best candidate (which, well, isn't really anyone at this point, but at least I am "cleared"). I will likely be NK'd tonight, but the odds of everyone here pooling together to hit a wolf are better than me shooting in the dark.

hoopsguy · 04-19-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

Also I am wondering what happened to Gonzo I am thinking it is more around the lines that he forgot that he joined the game and I am hoping that he is just a vanilla villager since I would feel bad for us villagers if he had a role and bad for the wolves if he was a wolf who was not around.

We do have to address this at some point (assuming that the mod doesn't find a replacement) but I'm not sure when that point is.

PackerFanatic · 04-19-2011, 03:47 PM

As a point of reference, I did have a duke order in last night, but it was NOT JAG.

hoopsguy · 04-19-2011, 03:51 PM

Packer, if you were the duke then why wouldn't you have had an order in last night to save yourself?

It certainly is a good thing you didn't, because you couldn't have done any better than getting the cunning wolf, but I sure would have expected you to use that power rather than take it to the grave last night. Your comments last night sure sounded like someone expecting to be lynched, and you were around at deadline.

Just weird. Bluffing as duke is a sure recipe to get duked. Bluffing as duke is weird because it doesn't flush out the seer either. Consider me baffled right now.

Autumn · 04-19-2011, 03:53 PM

Thanks for revealing, PF. FWIW, I think the best for the village is generally that you just place your duke order to kill the next leading vote getter. The village at least gets a lot of info when you do that.

I don't have a lot of time to think about a new vote, if this reveal is for real. I'll be heading out soon. I might go with DT. His posts had struck me as odd, and if other people also picked up on that we may have something there.

I'll give it a few minutes in case this is a off the wall wolf reveal, but will vote before I leave.

MrBug708 · 04-19-2011, 03:54 PM

Interesting turn of events

Autumn · 04-19-2011, 03:54 PM

Keep reading Hoops.

hoopsguy · 04-19-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Keep reading Hoops.

Yep, saw it after my post went up.

Zinto · 04-19-2011, 04:00 PM

So we have to decide where wolves would hide their votes now that we believe that Packer and I are villagers. I personally would look at early votes that stuck.

Autumn · 04-19-2011, 04:05 PM

Well, if we believe that PF is Duke, and the wolves moved a vote from him to Zinto, then either A) they're screwing with us, or B) they definitely were looking for a tie. Or I suppose the small chance that C) there's a wolf mechanic we don't know, like that the hypnotist doesn't know the other wolves.

If they were definitely looking for a tie, we should be able to pinpoint more critical votes.

Zinto · 04-19-2011, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, if we believe that PF is Duke, and the wolves moved a vote from him to Zinto, then either A) they're screwing with us, or B) they definitely were looking for a tie. Or I suppose the small chance that C) there's a wolf mechanic we don't know, like that the hypnotist doesn't know the other wolves.

If they were definitely looking for a tie, we should be able to pinpoint more critical votes.

There is not a wolf mechanic we don't know about at least according to the rules .

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

There are no secret roles. The only unknowns are details of things described above and below.

So either Packer is lying or the wolves wanted a tie.

Zinto · 04-19-2011, 04:11 PM

At least that is how I interpret what Crimson means there.

Zinto · 04-19-2011, 04:14 PM

Also (and I hate to add a third part to my posts when I should have made this all one post) I have high doubts that Packer is lying and as Hoops said then the Duke should just Duke him if he is.

Thomkal · 04-19-2011, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

As a point of reference, I did have a duke order in last night, but it was NOT JAG.

I am confused on this as well-if you had a duke order in, why then did it not go off?

Thomkal · 04-19-2011, 04:19 PM

If we are going to believe Packer's reveal, then I'm likely voting for one of the people who were voting for him before he revealed. Dwardzala and Hoops also had their last vote on him yesterday as well (correct me if I'm wrong)

MrBug708 · 04-19-2011, 04:19 PM

Good question?

Autumn · 04-19-2011, 04:21 PM

Zinto, my supposition is that for instance the hypnotist might not be in PM contact with the other baddies. there's a little bit of support for that in the flavor writeup, and I don't know that CF Would consider that a secret role. I just have seen the village go through a blame with bad rule assumptions before, I want to keep things open.

Lastly, I wouldn't discount the "screw with the village" option. They might have just wanted to fix the vote, and let the village spend a few days assuming that was meaningful. Not a bad option.

I guess I'm just going to ignore the tie for the time being. I have to leave now, so I'm just going to change to someone who should at least be relevant in a few hours and doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.

unvote J23
vote daddy torgo

Thomkal · 04-19-2011, 04:23 PM

And there was still plenty of time left for vote shifts away from Packer tonight, so why reveal now? and why reveal today and not last night?

The Jackal · 04-19-2011, 04:33 PM

No sign of DT yet? I've caught myself up. Bit hypocritical coming from someone who hasn't posted today yet, but though DT didn't seem "into the game" yet when he voted, his lack of contribution definitely reminds me of other games he's been a wolf and tried to stay alive, saving vehement defense for later days.

There's little point voting PF even if you think he's lying. If he is lying he'll get duked by the real duke as has been mentioned.

VOTE DT

hoopsguy · 04-19-2011, 04:56 PM

Not sure how much I'll be around to participate in the discussion for the next couple of hours, but I'll remove the vote from PF. I think the questions on his reveal will be more or less resolved by Thursday morning at the absolute latest.

UNVOTE PACKERFANATIC

CrimsonFox · 04-19-2011, 04:56 PM

Votes as of post #485:

1 - dwardzala - Narcizo (322)
4 - PackerFanatic - mauboy (335), dwardzala (361), hoopsguy (378) Darth Vilus (446)
2 - J23 - EagleFan (400) PackerFanatic (460)
1 - Autumn - Lathum (389)
1 - mckerney - J23 (419)
1 - EagleFan - MrBug (432)
1 - mauboy - Zinto (461)
3 - DaddyTargo - Telle (466) Autumn (483) Jackal (485)

PackerFanatic · 04-19-2011, 04:56 PM

With the lack of discussion today, I didn't expect to be saved by normal vote movement. My assumption is that a vote movement role would take place before any duking, and since I didn't end up as the lynch, my duking wasn't used.

Lathum · 04-19-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

And there was still plenty of time left for vote shifts away from Packer tonight, so why reveal now? and why reveal today and not last night?

It doesn't matter, fake revealing as the duke is impossible.

I think he should duke to Autumn, I do not feel DT is a wolf, I usually have pretty good reads on him and do not feel he is a wolf.

mauchow · 04-19-2011, 04:59 PM

Well if we're pulling off pf I will go with the person I've had funny vibes with.

unvote pf
vote thomkal

hoopsguy · 04-19-2011, 04:59 PM

I think that the DT train is starting to pick up a smidge more momentum than I might like, so I'll go with another one of the candidates from my earlier list. Quiet, and I don't think of him as a quiet player from previous games.

VOTE MAUBOY

J23 · 04-19-2011, 05:00 PM

CF,

Two questions:

1. Gonzo - Any luck contacting him? Any chance of a replacement?
2. Do the wolves know which villager roles are in the game and which aren't?

EagleFan · 04-19-2011, 05:03 PM

Odd decision by Autumn. PF reveals and Autumn unvotes the person who was in second, basically giving PF even more of a lead at that time.

Lathum · 04-19-2011, 05:05 PM

I wish I was the duke, Autumn would be wolf meat, WOLFMEAT I SAY!!!!!

J23 · 04-19-2011, 05:06 PM

Lathum,

Are you feeling ok?

EagleFan · 04-19-2011, 05:12 PM

Has anyone else upgraded to the new Internet Explorer?

hoopsguy · 04-19-2011, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Odd decision by Autumn. PF reveals and Autumn unvotes the person who was in second, basically giving PF even more of a lead at that time.

Pretty sure that PF isn't going to get lynched but I saw the same thing.

mauchow · 04-19-2011, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I think that the DT train is starting to pick up a smidge more momentum than I might like, so I'll go with another one of the candidates from my earlier list. Quiet, and I don't think of him as a quiet player from previous games.

VOTE MAUBOY

Do whatever u feel is necessary but to say I've been inactive means I'm a wolf doesn't mean much. Look at last game, I was a villager and didn't contribute much early on. I checked in late yesterday and have been more active than most people since..and for some yesterday being active was talking about pointless crap. High post counts don't always equate to being active with your likely definition.

dwardzala · 04-19-2011, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal

If we are going to believe Packer's reveal, then I'm likely voting for one of the people who were voting for him before he revealed. Dwardzala and Hoops also had their last vote on him yesterday as well (correct me if I'm wrong)

Yeah, so what?

That just meant I didn't know he was the Duke, not that I am a wolf.

dwardzala · 04-19-2011, 05:16 PM

Oh and

unvote PF

04-19-2011, 05:03 PM	#493
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04-19-2011, 05:12 PM	#496
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04-19-2011, 01:53 PM	#452
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Sooo.. you were "+1"ing the comment about late votes on JAG, which applied to you, but not the comment about early votes on JAG, which applied to Autumn?

04-19-2011, 02:03 PM	#456
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Anyway - I'm pretty much going to have to go. I'm leaving my vote where it is as a signal about activity. Considering I think we need to find out if Packer is good or bad and then using that to decide about other day one voters. So I think the J23 vote is just basically voting for Packer but wanting to have another candidate for the sake of it. Don't really know where else to look at the moment. You¨guys will have to sort things out. Sorry.

04-19-2011, 03:00 PM	#458
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Narcizo, sorry that I missed your question earlier - my initial thought was to see if a runaway emerged on PF. If it had, I probably would have gone contrarian thinking we had a bad candidate. But that hasn't happened, which makes me feel (at least for now) that I'm on the right candidate. Beyond that, I would probably continue the strategy of voting for quieter players in the game that we had adopted on Day 1. The idea of voting for the quiet guys as a way to prod them is a sound one, but doesn't hold up as well if it is a one day thing and then we return to the regularly scheduled feeding frenzy on the more active posters. Obviously, I would discount quieter players who had some reason to be trusted - I think Zinto falls into that group but dwarz, mauboy, and DT do not (3 lowest posters alive right now). If I was picking one of those guys to target it would likely be mauboy, whose posts have seemed a little off and who is considerably more quiet than I think he normally is. But for now, I'm content to ride the PF train until such time as I think it is no longer a good vote.

04-19-2011, 03:14 PM	#460
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	VOTE J23 Placeholder vote, really don't like it, but need to save my butt (again!) I should be on later to move this.

04-19-2011, 03:17 PM	#461
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I am not really a fan of either of the people that we have on the block right now. I am not opposed of going after one of the quieter people again and as Hoops said I am not a fan of some of the things he has said so far. Vote Mau

04-19-2011, 03:24 PM	#462
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Also I am wondering what happened to Gonzo I am thinking it is more around the lines that he forgot that he joined the game and I am hoping that he is just a vanilla villager since I would feel bad for us villagers if he had a role and bad for the wolves if he was a wolf who was not around.

04-19-2011, 03:24 PM	#463
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	unvote J23 You guys have done a good job of outlining why this doesn't make sense for today I think. No need to go through with it when it's essentially the same as a PF vote. telle - take this as a "maybe you were right in this case" So... we're down to PF (to clear up a lot of day 1) or taking a shot at a random quiet player? I'd pretty strongly support the first. I do agree that mau's said a lot of stuff that makes no sense, but that's just his game from what I remember. I'm getting a bit of a wierd vibe from DT and he had a throwaway vote on day 1 that is very easily buried. If we're going to take a shot at one of the three that might be the direction I would go in.

04-19-2011, 03:27 PM	#464
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	I could get on a DT vote. I do find his voting on Day 1 strange, as I explained earlier.

04-19-2011, 03:41 PM	#466
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well I'm heading home.. so I'm going to get my vote out there. I know this is only expanding the list, but I'll be around later to move it to consolidate if need be. vote DaddyTorgo

04-19-2011, 03:47 PM	#467
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Okay...I have been toying with this thought all day, and it seems I really have nothing to lose doing this: I am Akela, the Duke. My thoughts for revealing now are this - I could stay back in the shadows, let the votes pile up on me, and randomly choose someone to duke the vote to. I don't recall if the duke is revealed at that point (I don't think so) but either way, it'd be fairly obvious it was me. I'd survive for one more day at least and likely be NK'd tomorrow. Either way, my odds of hitting a wolf alone tonight are pretty slim (especially since I don't have a good read on anyone). Instead, hopefully you all believe me and can move off me onto the next best candidate (which, well, isn't really anyone at this point, but at least I am "cleared"). I will likely be NK'd tonight, but the odds of everyone here pooling together to hit a wolf are better than me shooting in the dark.

04-19-2011, 03:47 PM	#469
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	As a point of reference, I did have a duke order in last night, but it was NOT JAG.

04-19-2011, 03:51 PM	#470
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Packer, if you were the duke then why wouldn't you have had an order in last night to save yourself? It certainly is a good thing you didn't, because you couldn't have done any better than getting the cunning wolf, but I sure would have expected you to use that power rather than take it to the grave last night. Your comments last night sure sounded like someone expecting to be lynched, and you were around at deadline. Just weird. Bluffing as duke is a sure recipe to get duked. Bluffing as duke is weird because it doesn't flush out the seer either. Consider me baffled right now.

04-19-2011, 03:53 PM	#471
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Thanks for revealing, PF. FWIW, I think the best for the village is generally that you just place your duke order to kill the next leading vote getter. The village at least gets a lot of info when you do that. I don't have a lot of time to think about a new vote, if this reveal is for real. I'll be heading out soon. I might go with DT. His posts had struck me as odd, and if other people also picked up on that we may have something there. I'll give it a few minutes in case this is a off the wall wolf reveal, but will vote before I leave.

04-19-2011, 03:54 PM	#472
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Interesting turn of events

04-19-2011, 03:54 PM	#473
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Keep reading Hoops.

04-19-2011, 04:00 PM	#475
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	So we have to decide where wolves would hide their votes now that we believe that Packer and I are villagers. I personally would look at early votes that stuck.

04-19-2011, 04:05 PM	#476
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well, if we believe that PF is Duke, and the wolves moved a vote from him to Zinto, then either A) they're screwing with us, or B) they definitely were looking for a tie. Or I suppose the small chance that C) there's a wolf mechanic we don't know, like that the hypnotist doesn't know the other wolves. If they were definitely looking for a tie, we should be able to pinpoint more critical votes.

04-19-2011, 04:11 PM	#478
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	At least that is how I interpret what Crimson means there.

04-19-2011, 04:14 PM	#479
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Also (and I hate to add a third part to my posts when I should have made this all one post) I have high doubts that Packer is lying and as Hoops said then the Duke should just Duke him if he is.

04-19-2011, 04:19 PM	#481
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	If we are going to believe Packer's reveal, then I'm likely voting for one of the people who were voting for him before he revealed. Dwardzala and Hoops also had their last vote on him yesterday as well (correct me if I'm wrong)

04-19-2011, 04:19 PM	#482
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Good question?

04-19-2011, 04:21 PM	#483
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Zinto, my supposition is that for instance the hypnotist might not be in PM contact with the other baddies. there's a little bit of support for that in the flavor writeup, and I don't know that CF Would consider that a secret role. I just have seen the village go through a blame with bad rule assumptions before, I want to keep things open. Lastly, I wouldn't discount the "screw with the village" option. They might have just wanted to fix the vote, and let the village spend a few days assuming that was meaningful. Not a bad option. I guess I'm just going to ignore the tie for the time being. I have to leave now, so I'm just going to change to someone who should at least be relevant in a few hours and doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. unvote J23 vote daddy torgo

04-19-2011, 04:23 PM	#484
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	And there was still plenty of time left for vote shifts away from Packer tonight, so why reveal now? and why reveal today and not last night?

04-19-2011, 04:33 PM	#485
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	No sign of DT yet? I've caught myself up. Bit hypocritical coming from someone who hasn't posted today yet, but though DT didn't seem "into the game" yet when he voted, his lack of contribution definitely reminds me of other games he's been a wolf and tried to stay alive, saving vehement defense for later days. There's little point voting PF even if you think he's lying. If he is lying he'll get duked by the real duke as has been mentioned. VOTE DT

04-19-2011, 04:56 PM	#486
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Not sure how much I'll be around to participate in the discussion for the next couple of hours, but I'll remove the vote from PF. I think the questions on his reveal will be more or less resolved by Thursday morning at the absolute latest. UNVOTE PACKERFANATIC

04-19-2011, 04:56 PM	#487
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Votes as of post #485: 1 - dwardzala - Narcizo (322) 4 - PackerFanatic - mauboy (335), dwardzala (361), hoopsguy (378) Darth Vilus (446) 2 - J23 - EagleFan (400) PackerFanatic (460) 1 - Autumn - Lathum (389) 1 - mckerney - J23 (419) 1 - EagleFan - MrBug (432) 1 - mauboy - Zinto (461) 3 - DaddyTargo - Telle (466) Autumn (483) Jackal (485)

04-19-2011, 04:56 PM	#488
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	With the lack of discussion today, I didn't expect to be saved by normal vote movement. My assumption is that a vote movement role would take place before any duking, and since I didn't end up as the lynch, my duking wasn't used.

04-19-2011, 04:59 PM	#490
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Well if we're pulling off pf I will go with the person I've had funny vibes with. unvote pf vote thomkal

04-19-2011, 04:59 PM	#491
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I think that the DT train is starting to pick up a smidge more momentum than I might like, so I'll go with another one of the candidates from my earlier list. Quiet, and I don't think of him as a quiet player from previous games. VOTE MAUBOY

04-19-2011, 05:00 PM	#492
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	CF, Two questions: 1. Gonzo - Any luck contacting him? Any chance of a replacement? 2. Do the wolves know which villager roles are in the game and which aren't?