Werewolf CXXXI: Lone Wolf - Against the Darklords GAME OVER, EVERYBODY WINS - Page 7

hoopsguy · 05-03-2011, 08:16 PM

I'm going to bank on being back in time for the deadline.
UNVOTE JAG

JAG · 05-03-2011, 08:23 PM

When the day started, I was neutral on Bug, he didn't really have much on him. CR had a couple negatives, his vote on a non-DT candidate and the fact that DT voted DV and earlier hinted he would vote mckerney, so more the fact that DT didn't look towards him. Since then, my opinion of Bug has decreased, but CR has done nothing to make me switch off him. He has put forward no arguments of use why he shouldn't be the vote that any generic person couldnt have made. He hinted at having ideas for candidates but again hasn't put forth anything. Very un CR-like play in my opinion. So I'm satisfied with my vote.

Have to put my daughter to sleep, should hopefully be back for deadline.

MrBug708 · 05-03-2011, 08:27 PM

I've failed to see how I'm even a candidate for being voted off. I'm assuming it's logic based on how the game has previously been played?

hoopsguy · 05-03-2011, 08:31 PM

Bug, do you see the logic for any of the other candidates? Or even the one you are voting for, CrimsonFox? If so, I would like to hear your logic on the candidates besides you being better options.

Thomkal · 05-03-2011, 08:33 PM

Okay so Danny or anyone else who wants to chime in. If I'm an Agent of the Darklord, especially given the fact that one of their members are already dead, what should I be doing right now if I'm one of them?

MrBug708 · 05-03-2011, 08:35 PM

My vote for CF was purely a self defense move. For any other viable option, I admittedly don't have any so it's...interesting when people have a "vibe" about a certain person. I certainly dropped the ball last night by missing the night action

MrBug708 · 05-03-2011, 08:36 PM

Is there a post where they have who voted for who, that is updated?

hoopsguy · 05-03-2011, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

My vote for CF was purely a self defense move. For any other viable option, I admittedly don't have any so it's...interesting when people have a "vibe" about a certain person. I certainly dropped the ball last night by missing the night action

I'm just having a hard time with the "i'm not a candidate" defense when you aren't willing to participate in the conversation that helps us to create candidates.

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Okay so Danny or anyone else who wants to chime in. If I'm an Agent of the Darklord, especially given the fact that one of their members are already dead, what should I be doing right now if I'm one of them?

Well, for one I'd probably switch my vote from a person with 2 votes to one of the other players who has three votes.

Lathum · 05-03-2011, 08:42 PM

vote count?

Thomkal · 05-03-2011, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

JAG, I'm going through posts again now with my last couple of minutes before having to head out for a few. I want to either reinforce my vibes or else discard them in this exercise.

In the meantime, here is the vote log I see so far:
186 - Dward votes Thomkal
205 - JAG votes CR 1-1 Thomkal/CR
206 - CF votes Bug 1-1-1 Thomkal/CR/Bug
209 - Narcizo votes Bug 2-1-1 Bug over Thomkal/CR
213 - PF votes JAG 2-1-1-1 Bug over Thomkal/CR/JAG
214 - Thomkal votes JAG 2-2-1-1 Bug/JAG over Thomkal/CR
220 - Lathum votes CF 2-2-1-1-1 Bug/JAG over Thomkal/CR/CF
236 - bhlloy votes Bug 3-2-1-1-1 Bug over JAG over Thomkal/CR/CF
239 - Bug votes CF 3-2-2-1-1 Bug over JAG/CF over Thomkal/CR
253 - Jackal votes CR 3-2-2-2-1 Bug over JAG/CF/CR over Thomkal
259 - Zinto votes CF 3-3-2-2-1 Bug/CF over JAG/CR over Thomkal
260 - Danny votes Thomkal 3-3-2-2-2 Bug/CF over JAG/CR/Thomkal
266 - mau votes bhlloy 3-3-2-2-2-1 Bug/CF over JAG/CR/Thomkal over bhlloy
280 - mau unvotes bhlloy, votes thomkal 3-3-3-2-2-1 Bug/CF/Thom over JAG/CR over bhlloy
292 - hoops votes JAG 3-3-3-3-2-1 Bug/CF/Thom/JAG over CR over bhlloy
293 - mckern votes Thomkal 4-3-3-3-2-1 Thom over Bug/CF/JAG over CR over bhlloy

quoting this so I can keep up with the vote count-note that hoops moved off JAG since he did this vote count, so he only has 2 votes.

Thomkal · 05-03-2011, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Well, for one I'd probably switch my vote from a person with 2 votes to one of the other players who has three votes.

well I wasn't going to do that as the one I vote for will just move their vote to me. beyond that danny, what should I do if I was a wolf right now to get people to move off me in a hurry?

Chief Rum · 05-03-2011, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

When the day started, I was neutral on Bug, he didn't really have much on him. CR had a couple negatives, his vote on a non-DT candidate and the fact that DT voted DV and earlier hinted he would vote mckerney, so more the fact that DT didn't look towards him. Since then, my opinion of Bug has decreased, but CR has done nothing to make me switch off him. He has put forward no arguments of use why he shouldn't be the vote that any generic person couldnt have made. He hinted at having ideas for candidates but again hasn't put forth anything. Very un CR-like play in my opinion. So I'm satisfied with my vote.

Have to put my daughter to sleep, should hopefully be back for deadline.

Not sure what you're looking for me to say. I'm not a wolf. I have explained my vote. Is there some other information you would like from me? I don't have much different to add to the other candidates being thrown out there. I will say, though, you are just as suspicious as me, if not more so, for the reasons hoops and others have stated. You are yourself a DV voter, and on top of that, I know something others don't, you have been harping on me and I am a villager. In my mind, that's another mark against you.

What else do you want me to say?

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:46 PM

I would admit you are a wolf, It would definitely work.

JAG · 05-03-2011, 08:46 PM

A Tyrith sighting!

Also, I'm back.

Chief Rum · 05-03-2011, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I would admit you are a wolf, It would definitely work.

Haha...okay, I'll keep that card in my back pocket for now, Danny.

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:48 PM

That was actually directed toward Thomkal, but it would work equally well for you or anyone else

Chief Rum · 05-03-2011, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

That was actually directed toward Thomkal, but it would work equally well for you or anyone else

lol...gold.

hoopsguy · 05-03-2011, 08:49 PM

My impression here is that Thomkal is a villager fighting hard to stay alive, but not quite knowing how he is supposed to do so.

I think CrimsonFox is somewhat of a manufactured candidate. I won't be voting for him today.

So that leaves me with Bug, JAG, or Chief Rum. I'm not very comfortable with the voters on Chief Rum so I won't be joining them.

And if I'm giving JAG points for participating in the conversation, that leaves me with Bug. "Bad" vote yesterday (not on DT) but not catastophicly so. Kinda strange defense vote earlier in the day. But mainly because there isn't something all that tangible as a reason to defend him.

I'm not really all that happy with the vote, but I'll do it anyway for lack of better options.

VOTE MRBUG708

Thomkal · 05-03-2011, 08:49 PM

But just so people don't think I'm trying to protect a wolf:

unvote JAG
vote Mr. Bug

He's one of the Darth voters like JAG, so at least I can stay true to my thought that I believe there is at least one more wolf with the Darth voters.

JAG · 05-03-2011, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Not sure what you're looking for me to say. I'm not a wolf. I have explained my vote. Is there some other information you would like from me? I don't have much different to add to the other candidates being thrown out there. I will say, though, you are just as suspicious as me, if not more so, for the reasons hoops and others have stated. You are yourself a DV voter, and on top of that, I know something others don't, you have been harping on me and I am a villager. In my mind, that's another mark against you.

What else do you want me to say?

I've just never seen a game where you've been so tight-lipped with your opinions on people before. To this point, I honestly don't know where you stand on anyone (other than me) and haven't seen you put forth analysis as you usually do by this point, especially considering we got a wolf D1 and have some decent info to look at. Also, I'm surprised you haven't gone after the other DV voters for the same reason I'm after one (this also applies to Bug).

Thomkal · 05-03-2011, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I would admit you are a wolf, It would definitely work.

That's very funny, but you are purposedly avoiding my question-you know very well what a wolf would do here.

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:51 PM

I believe we now have
Mr Bug 5
Thomkal 4
CrimsonFox 3
Chief Rum 2
Jag 1

MrBug708 · 05-03-2011, 08:51 PM

unvote - CF
vote - Thmkal

Don't know if you are a wolf or not, but clearly a self defense move at this point

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal

That's very funny, but you are purposedly avoiding my question-you know very well what a wolf would do here.

Actually I don't, fake reveals are worthless in this game.

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:52 PM

Anything in the rules about ties?

MrBug708 · 05-03-2011, 08:52 PM

Who knows, maybe I am a lord of darkness, I certainly wasn't told my exact role

CrimsonFox · 05-03-2011, 08:53 PM

both die in ties i think

JAG · 05-03-2011, 08:53 PM

Both are lynched if there are no disciplines in effect.

Zinto · 05-03-2011, 08:53 PM

Well it is tied so I have to move my vote so it is not worthless.

Unvote CF
Vote Thomkal

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:54 PM

Really both are lynched? Anyone opposed to having a tie and taking our chances one of them is a wolf?

CrimsonFox · 05-03-2011, 08:54 PM

True, there is a discipline, that can "untie" a tie. Mindsomethingorother

CrimsonFox · 05-03-2011, 08:55 PM

6-5 now i think

Abe Sargent · 05-03-2011, 08:55 PM

Tyrith, we love you!!!

Zinto · 05-03-2011, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Really both are lynched? Anyone opposed to having a tie and taking our chances one of them is a wolf?

If enough people agree with this I will move my vote off.

Thomkal · 05-03-2011, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Actually I don't, fake reveals are worthless in this game.

No they are certainly not-given the one time usage of the seer power animal kinship-there's no way a villager would potentially risk losing someone with that power.

But I can tell you I do not have that power.

CrimsonFox · 05-03-2011, 08:55 PM

only way to do that danny is if you unvote and not swap (you did vote for thom right?)

MrBug708 · 05-03-2011, 08:56 PM

So are people going to not vote? Seems like a great move for the wolves

CrimsonFox · 05-03-2011, 08:56 PM

or if you think bug is a better candidate, simply swap. or stay if you think thom is. Those are the choices.

mckerney · 05-03-2011, 08:56 PM

Unvote Thomkal

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:56 PM

Unvote Thomkal
Vote Zinto

JAG · 05-03-2011, 08:57 PM

I'm not opposed as I see them both as reasonable suspects and we're in a fairly strong position. It's possible they both won't be lynched if one has Mindblast and the other doesn't have Mindshield or if either have Hunting, or if anyone pulls a vote switcheroo.

CrimsonFox · 05-03-2011, 08:57 PM

i have no idea who has not voted

CrimsonFox · 05-03-2011, 08:57 PM

i agree with that danny

MrBug708 · 05-03-2011, 08:57 PM

Well, now I'm the only one who will die

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:57 PM

Ok that actually puts Thomkal down one. One of us would need to revote. I'm not getting a wolfy vibe from Thom though to be honest.

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:58 PM

Unvote Zinto
Vote Thomkal

Danny · 05-03-2011, 08:58 PM

That should tie it back up.

JAG · 05-03-2011, 08:58 PM

13 guests, wow.

Tyrith · 05-03-2011, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

A Tyrith sighting!

Also, I'm back.

Yup, I'm lurking again. Flipped through a couple of the recent games. Just looking at the game numbers makes me feel old; I think the first game I played in was 24. Anyway, hopefully you guys put on a good show for me this time.

05-03-2011, 08:55 PM	#334
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Tyrith, we love you!!! __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-03-2011, 08:16 PM	#301
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm going to bank on being back in time for the deadline. UNVOTE JAG

05-03-2011, 08:23 PM	#302
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	When the day started, I was neutral on Bug, he didn't really have much on him. CR had a couple negatives, his vote on a non-DT candidate and the fact that DT voted DV and earlier hinted he would vote mckerney, so more the fact that DT didn't look towards him. Since then, my opinion of Bug has decreased, but CR has done nothing to make me switch off him. He has put forward no arguments of use why he shouldn't be the vote that any generic person couldnt have made. He hinted at having ideas for candidates but again hasn't put forth anything. Very un CR-like play in my opinion. So I'm satisfied with my vote. Have to put my daughter to sleep, should hopefully be back for deadline.

05-03-2011, 08:27 PM	#303
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I've failed to see how I'm even a candidate for being voted off. I'm assuming it's logic based on how the game has previously been played?

05-03-2011, 08:31 PM	#304
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Bug, do you see the logic for any of the other candidates? Or even the one you are voting for, CrimsonFox? If so, I would like to hear your logic on the candidates besides you being better options.

05-03-2011, 08:33 PM	#305
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Okay so Danny or anyone else who wants to chime in. If I'm an Agent of the Darklord, especially given the fact that one of their members are already dead, what should I be doing right now if I'm one of them?

05-03-2011, 08:35 PM	#306
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	My vote for CF was purely a self defense move. For any other viable option, I admittedly don't have any so it's...interesting when people have a "vibe" about a certain person. I certainly dropped the ball last night by missing the night action

05-03-2011, 08:36 PM	#307
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Is there a post where they have who voted for who, that is updated?

05-03-2011, 08:42 PM	#310
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	vote count?

05-03-2011, 08:46 PM	#314
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I would admit you are a wolf, It would definitely work.

05-03-2011, 08:46 PM	#315
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	A Tyrith sighting! Also, I'm back.

05-03-2011, 08:48 PM	#317
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	That was actually directed toward Thomkal, but it would work equally well for you or anyone else

05-03-2011, 08:49 PM	#319
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	My impression here is that Thomkal is a villager fighting hard to stay alive, but not quite knowing how he is supposed to do so. I think CrimsonFox is somewhat of a manufactured candidate. I won't be voting for him today. So that leaves me with Bug, JAG, or Chief Rum. I'm not very comfortable with the voters on Chief Rum so I won't be joining them. And if I'm giving JAG points for participating in the conversation, that leaves me with Bug. "Bad" vote yesterday (not on DT) but not catastophicly so. Kinda strange defense vote earlier in the day. But mainly because there isn't something all that tangible as a reason to defend him. I'm not really all that happy with the vote, but I'll do it anyway for lack of better options. VOTE MRBUG708

05-03-2011, 08:49 PM	#320
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	But just so people don't think I'm trying to protect a wolf: unvote JAG vote Mr. Bug He's one of the Darth voters like JAG, so at least I can stay true to my thought that I believe there is at least one more wolf with the Darth voters.

05-03-2011, 08:51 PM	#323
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I believe we now have Mr Bug 5 Thomkal 4 CrimsonFox 3 Chief Rum 2 Jag 1

05-03-2011, 08:51 PM	#324
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	unvote - CF vote - Thmkal Don't know if you are a wolf or not, but clearly a self defense move at this point

05-03-2011, 08:52 PM	#326
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Anything in the rules about ties?

05-03-2011, 08:52 PM	#327
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Who knows, maybe I am a lord of darkness, I certainly wasn't told my exact role

05-03-2011, 08:53 PM	#328
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	both die in ties i think

05-03-2011, 08:53 PM	#329
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Both are lynched if there are no disciplines in effect.

05-03-2011, 08:53 PM	#330
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Well it is tied so I have to move my vote so it is not worthless. Unvote CF Vote Thomkal

05-03-2011, 08:54 PM	#331
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Really both are lynched? Anyone opposed to having a tie and taking our chances one of them is a wolf?

05-03-2011, 08:54 PM	#332
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	True, there is a discipline, that can "untie" a tie. Mindsomethingorother

05-03-2011, 08:55 PM	#333
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	6-5 now i think

05-03-2011, 08:55 PM	#337
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	only way to do that danny is if you unvote and not swap (you did vote for thom right?)

05-03-2011, 08:56 PM	#338
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	So are people going to not vote? Seems like a great move for the wolves

05-03-2011, 08:56 PM	#339
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	or if you think bug is a better candidate, simply swap. or stay if you think thom is. Those are the choices.

05-03-2011, 08:56 PM	#340
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Unvote Thomkal

05-03-2011, 08:56 PM	#341
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Unvote Thomkal Vote Zinto

05-03-2011, 08:57 PM	#342
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I'm not opposed as I see them both as reasonable suspects and we're in a fairly strong position. It's possible they both won't be lynched if one has Mindblast and the other doesn't have Mindshield or if either have Hunting, or if anyone pulls a vote switcheroo.

05-03-2011, 08:57 PM	#343
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	i have no idea who has not voted