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Old 03-10-2015, 10:56 AM   #301
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Then why even put a vote on him? How was anyone going to prove he was a wolf on day 1?
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:02 AM   #302
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Then why even put a vote on him? How was anyone going to prove he was a wolf on day 1?

It's Day One?
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:15 AM   #303
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Post Time Voter Vote Count Unvote Count 76 4:07 Narcizo britrock88 1 80 7:04 Zinto GoldenEagle 1 81 7:11 JAG saldana 1 82 7:45 EagleFan Zinto 1 88 8:11 timmae Grover 1 96 9:57 Grover Suicane75 1 101 10:29 Chief Rum Raven 1 108 11:43 Raven Suicane75 2 112 11:57 cheekimonk timmae 1 123 12:25 Suicane75 Grover 2 128 12:28 britrock88 JAG 1 134 12:43 path12 britrock88 2 152 14:18 britrock88 timmae 2 JAG 0 160 15:50 EagleFan Zinto 0 161 15:52 EagleFan Raven 2 163 15:57 JAG GoldenEagle 2 saldana 0 166 16:25 Narcizo GoldenEagle 3 britrock88 1 174 16:55 Chief Rum Suicane75 3 Raven 1 176 17:19 timmae JAG 1 Grover 1 177 17:23 Suicane75 GoldenEagle 4 Grover 0 180 18:06 HomerSimpson98 fontisian 1 189 18:35 JAG fontisian 2 GoldenEagle 3 190 18:35 GoldenEagle Suicane75 4 192 18:42 Raven fontisian 3 Suicane75 3 197 18:58 cheekimonk britrock88 2 timmae 1 204 19:11 path12 GoldenEagle 4 britrock88 1 207 19:13 EagleFan GoldenEagle 5 Raven 0 214 19:34 Grover fontisian 4 Suicane75 2 216 20:02 JAG Suicane75 3 fontisian 3 223 20:25 GoldenEagle fontisian 4 Suicane75 2 237 20:49 EagleFan Raven 1 GoldenEagle 4 239 21:22 cheekimonk Raven 2 britrock88 0 240 21:37 timmae GoldenEagle 5 JAG 0 242 21:48 EagleFan fontisian 5 Raven 1 244 21:54 fontisian GoldenEagle 6 Raven 1

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Old 03-10-2015, 11:16 AM   #304
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Font and Sui coming out aggressively...

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Old 03-10-2015, 11:20 AM   #305
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:33 AM   #306
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It's Day One?

So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:44 AM   #307
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So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.

I voted for someone I had a connection with for a pointless Day One reason, and I would have left it there if others didn't then also pile on him. I was the first to vote him, doing it earlier in the day.

Once it became clear he was in danger, I wasn't going to be a party to that, so I jumped off of him. Hope that makes sense.
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:47 AM   #308
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Any vote is better than no vote. At least we can obtain additionalninformation when people are engaged.
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:55 AM   #309
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So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.

FWIW I treat day 1 in a similar way -- pick someone at random, see how the day goes and then end up on one of the main lynch contenders in order to provide vote analysis down the road (remember, my vote put GE in the lead, it was tied at that time). Not defending Chief but just my two cents -- day 1 votes are data points but it's hard to read those tea leaves with proper context until later in the game.
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:56 AM   #310
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Finally circling around to look at the tally. Interesting votes, IMO:

- JAG dropping GE from the lead into a tie with Suicane (and bringing Font within 1)
- Raven creating a 3-way tie among GE, Suicane, and Font by dropping Suicane out of the lead
- Path and EagleFan voting GE 2 up within 2 minutes of each other
- Grover elevating Font over Suicane as the alternative to GE
- JAG reversing Grover's option and tying Suicane and Font 2 behind
- EagleFan switching off GE to tie him with Font, then voting Font a bit later

Nothing particularly damning about any of these, but these stuck out to me as the highest-leverage votes of the day.
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:59 AM   #311
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So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.

I voted for timmae early because he's the one that invited me, then switched to brit to jump off timmae. Ultimately landing on Raven was more strategic when it became clear I was the only one standing on brit and, being new, I didn't want to be the a deciding vote on font or GE.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:10 PM   #312
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vote fontisian

For now I'm going to stick with my gut feeling from yesterday.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:14 PM   #313
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Thanks EF (except for coloring yourself green)

Just trying to help the cause... and making myself green shows everyone that they can trust me... except the wolves.... but they already knew that.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:42 PM   #314
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I moved to font because she seemed a little overly defensive about the voting process last night.

I am still very curious about my original vote on Suicane though. I think he's definitely a potential day two target for us lowly (french) vanillas.
1. Bullshit. Quote a post before your vote for me that's defensive. When you fail to do so, please attempt to backtrack horribly and explain how you got that impression.
2.Why so self-conscious when explaining your own votes?

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Looking back further, though, I see this. This seems to me that she should have had her vote on GE all along. Why so passionate and yet no vote? No scans possible yet, and GE was a villager anyway.
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What part of that quote makes you think I passionately believed GE to be scum?

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You're seeing boogiemen where they ain't. This is Raven's second game and he is an old friend of mine. There was no way I was ever going to stay on him this early in the game unless someone else more or less proved he was a wolf.
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Font and Sui coming out aggressively...

vote font
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Hard to be aggressive when I hadn't posted. Suicane isn't really being aggressive either. What.

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The votes right now are actually pretty terrible for six reasons:
1. I'm town. Duh.

2. Suicane said this toDay:
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So you voted for someone you had no intention of voting for? I'm not accusing you anything yet, but that seems odd.
Meaning he was interrogating Chief without actually looking for a lynch, which gives him a weak townread.

3. EagleFan is my strongest townread, having had a series of votes with strong logical reasons behind them and also being willing to help with the Raven side lynch when two townies (me and GE) and a third likely one (Suicane) were under pressure. His vote for me at the end made it clear that he wasn't attempting to buddy me with the Raven vote either.

4. Zinto reacted obstinately when I asked him to stop answering questions for others. That's an easy thing to cave on for a bit of good will, and the fact that he didn't reflects well on his alignment.

5. Grover is most likely unaligned with Raven, which means I'm now going to have to choose between them.

6. Saldana is totally absent and any pressure on him is completely useless.

So, that's where we are. Good work, guys

But hey, Grover's weirdness toDay makes me feel a lot better about the votes on him. Let's take that somewhere, shall we?

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Old 03-10-2015, 12:43 PM   #315
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Finally circling around to look at the tally. Interesting votes, IMO:

- JAG dropping GE from the lead into a tie with Suicane (and bringing Font within 1)
- Raven creating a 3-way tie among GE, Suicane, and Font by dropping Suicane out of the lead
- Path and EagleFan voting GE 2 up within 2 minutes of each other
- Grover elevating Font over Suicane as the alternative to GE
- JAG reversing Grover's option and tying Suicane and Font 2 behind
- EagleFan switching off GE to tie him with Font, then voting Font a bit later

Nothing particularly damning about any of these, but these stuck out to me as the highest-leverage votes of the day.

On the first one, my motivation was for GE to vote who he thought was more suspicious rather than reflexively voting in self-defense, which doesn't tell us much. Unfortunately that still ended up being his vote and reason.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:46 PM   #316
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No, it really is. When I ask someone a question, I want an answer from that person.

I am not moron. I understand how self-preservation works. There are also a number of strange factors that I want to know if he considered, because it helps me read him. You butting in gives him an answer he might not have thought of and lets him know what answers people find believable. Don't do it. Clear?

Also, Chief and Zinto, GE said he would likely check in before deadline. You're both overstating his level of absence.

This came off as extremely agressive to me. As did your post attacking me for voting for you again.

I'm sticking by my choice.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:47 PM   #317
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Vote for me all you want, but that's just playing into the wolves hands.

I guarantee you that I am no more than a villager.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:50 PM   #318
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This came off as extremely agressive to me. As did your post attacking me for voting for you again.

I'm sticking by my choice.
Well, yeah. It's meant to be aggressive.

You claimed that I was overly defensive yesterDay and that's why you've voted for me twice. You are now incapable of backing up that statement, because it was bullshit made to justify a bad vote.

Now, you can either try to prove that statement wrong or you can get run up an lynched. The choice is yours.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:51 PM   #319
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Vote for me all you want, but that's just playing into the wolves hands.

I guarantee you that I am no more than a villager.
This does not help you because:
1. It say nothing. Everyone's going to claim to be town.
2. It tells me that you are very much worried about being lynched, despite being at only two votes.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:55 PM   #320
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Well, I'll take the chance of being lynched and the entire town being wrong about lynching me. *shrug*

Just like everyone voting for GE was wrong about him.

If I'm wrong about you when/if you do get lynched, I will give you a sincere apology.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:57 PM   #321
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Dude. This isn't hard. Go back through the thread. Pick one (1) post before your vote yesterDay that you think is defensive, quote it, and explain why. Surely there's something you can at least attempt to spin. Passive aggressive rhetoric gets you nowhere.
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Old 03-10-2015, 12:57 PM   #322
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:03 PM   #323
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So I went ahead and modified Britrock's vote tally from earlier to show standings at the time:

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Post Voter Vote 76 Narcizo britrock88 Britrock 1 80 Zinto GoldenEagle Britrock 1, GE 1 81 JAG saldana Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1 82 EagleFan Zinto Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1 88 timmae Grover Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1 96 Grover Suicane75 Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Suicane 1 101 Chief Rum Raven Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Suicane 1, Raven 1 108 Raven Suicane75 Suicane 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Raven 1 112 cheekimonk timmae Suicane 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Grover 1, Raven 1, timmae 1 123 Suicane75 Grover Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1, timmae 1 128 britrock88 JAG Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 1, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1, timmae 1, JAG 1 134 path12 britrock88 Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1, timmae 1, JAG 1 152 britrock88 timmae Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1 160 EagleFan Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, Raven 1 161 EagleFan Raven Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, Raven 2, GE 1, saldana 1 163 JAG GoldenEagle Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, timmae 2, Raven 2, GE 2 166 Narcizo GoldenEagle GE 3, Suicane 2, Grover 2, timmae 2, Raven 2, Britrock 1 174 Chief Rum Suicane75 GE 3, Suicane 3, Grover 2, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1 176 timmae JAG GE 3, Suicane 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, Grover 1, JAG 1 177 Suicane75 GoldenEagle GE 4, Suicane 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1 180 HomerSimpson98 fontisian GE 4, Suicane 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1, font 1 189 JAG fontisian GE 3, Suicane 3, timmae 2, font 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1 190 GoldenEagle Suicane75 Suicane 4, GE 3, timmae 2, font 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1 192 Raven fontisian Suicane 3, GE 3, font 3, timmae 2, Britrock 1, Raven 1, JAG 1 197 cheekimonk britrock88 Suicane 3, GE 3, font 3, Britrock 2, timmae 1, Raven 1, JAG 1 204 path12 GoldenEagle GE 4, Suicane 3, font 3, Britrock 1, timmae 1, Raven 1, JAG 1 207 EagleFan GoldenEagle GE 5, Suicane 3, font 3, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1 214 Grover fontisian GE 5, font 4, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1 216 JAG Suicane75 GE 5, font 3, Suicane 3, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1 223 GoldenEagle fontisian GE 5, font 4, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1 237 EagleFan Raven GE 4, font 4, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1, Raven 1 239 cheekimonk Raven GE 4, font 4, Suicane 2, Raven 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1, JAG 1 240 timmae GoldenEagle GE 5, font 4, Suicane 2, Raven 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1 242 EagleFan fontisian GE 5, font 5, Suicane 2, Raven 1, Britrock 1, timmae 1 244 fontisian GoldenEagle GE 6, font 5, Suicane 2, Britrock 1, timmae 1
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:04 PM   #324
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Well crap, scrolling sucks.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:05 PM   #325
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Kind of interesting though how it switched to a GE/font thing later in the day.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:08 PM   #326
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Very cool - thanks for posting. i am looking hard at the font vote run and find it very intriguing. I am looking especially hard at Raven and EF. The Raven off/on train strikes me as odd.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:09 PM   #327
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I think you missed my early vote for Raven.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:16 PM   #328
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I was wrong. Poor choice of words.

I'm sorry.

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Old 03-10-2015, 01:19 PM   #329
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What part of that quote makes you think I passionately believed GE to be scum?

It's not just that quote but your whole approach to getting a response for GE. You seemed to overreact to a need to get a response from him. Way too aggressive, way too over the top. That's what I mean by gung ho.

Perhaps you were instead just responding to Grover or whomever asking you about it, but that's how it reads.

If you passionately believe GE is a saint, I don't think you're looking so ardently for an answer from him.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:26 PM   #330
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It's not just that quote but your whole approach to getting a response for GE. You seemed to overreact to a need to get a response from him. Way too aggressive, way too over the top. That's what I mean by gung ho.

Perhaps you were instead just responding to Grover or whomever asking you about it, but that's how it reads.

If you passionately believe GE is a saint, I don't think you're looking so ardently for an answer from him.

I get the same impression of her. Same feeling last game as well.
Maybe that's how she plays the game, or maybe that's just her personality. Either way, it rubs me the wrong way.

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Old 03-10-2015, 01:26 PM   #331
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Font, my comment was based on some of your posts from yesterday. The longer you keep it up, though, the more I tilt toward reading you as a townie.

As for Suicane, Path alluded to the GE/Font race at the end of yesterday, which means Suicane kind of slipped through the cracks. I'm also fairly comfortable in heading that way because of Font's read of Suicane--at worst, she's a wolf hedging on a townie, but I think it's more likely that she just has a neutral read.

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Old 03-10-2015, 01:49 PM   #332
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:49 PM   #333
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I think you missed my early vote for Raven.

Oops. I hadn't gone though posts myself, just was going off of Brit's earlier.

For the record, post #145 fontisian votes Raven. Made the vote tally:

Suicane 2, Grover 2, Britrock 2, Raven 2, GE 1, saldana 1, Zinto 1, timmae 1, JAG 1
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i am not totally absent...i am here and caught up..i explained my absence yesterday when i got into the thread this morning.

and since we are chatting now , can i ask what "this is not a drill" was supposed to mean in your vote post from yesterday?
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:02 PM   #336
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Is Zinto usually more active than he has been? Day and a half with an early vote and no traction now.
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:02 PM   #337
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Also for EF -- I think I know but why the early vote on saldana today?
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:05 PM   #338
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Kind of interesting though how it switched to a GE/font thing later in the day.

I have to be fair here, looking at that vote flow I was kind of a catalyst there for the late GE move.
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I'll chalk it up to a poor life choice.
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:13 PM   #340
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Also for EF -- I think I know but why the early vote on saldana today?

Absence doesn't make my heart grow fonder in a werewolf game.

Though it may change as he is here today and posting.
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:14 PM   #341
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:15 PM   #342
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vote Raven

Getting this out here now in case something comes up. Voting pattern is of a dont-rock-the-boat, dont-look-at-me front runner. Not excited about it at all but this is where I stand now
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:16 PM   #343
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:17 PM   #344
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vote Suicane75

Self-preservation... for now.
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After looking at the current vote counts figured we might as well make this a race.


Narc going first tells me that someone wanted to keep the voting history out of the game.

Not sure if he posted anything that would have gotten them role hunting for him. Will have to look back at that.


Sorry, I am thinking as I type this so it may come off a little scatter brained...


Last thought before I get back to work. While I think font is a villager, it may be worth exploring that day one vote a bit. If she is a villager it would most likely mean that the wolves were not players moving votes around. If she is a wolf, well that could tell us a lot as well (and give us a victory for the day).
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:25 PM   #346
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vote Raven

Getting this out here now in case something comes up. Voting pattern is of a dont-rock-the-boat, dont-look-at-me front runner. Not excited about it at all but this is where I stand now

I voted for font yesterday because she voted for me. Then I voted for the same person again today. What's fishy about that?

Since font will probably vote for me again today, maybe you're just looking to initiate the move against me, so it doesn't look like you're joining after her...
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:27 PM   #347
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vote Raven

Getting this out here now in case something comes up. Voting pattern is of a dont-rock-the-boat, dont-look-at-me front runner. Not excited about it at all but this is where I stand now

I'm kind of curious about Raven as well but am more curious about Grover so will keep my vote there for now.
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I'm kind of curious about Raven as well but am more curious about Grover so will keep my vote there for now.

I can end your curiosity.

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Old 03-10-2015, 03:24 PM   #349
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I get that I've been a little wacky with the way I've started this game off. I am aware that I falsely accused fontisian of being defensive and for that I have apologized.

I am a tried and true villager, even though I may seem suspicious or off. If you decide to lynch me, that is fine, but you will have the proof of what I really am.

I think we need to focus on some of the odder types. Which is hypocritical, I know, but stringing me up will only reduce our numbers by one, possibly two. This could be a ridiculously quick game for us villagers at that rate.

I'm not very good at going back through voting history and patterns and all that jazz. I try to make observations off what I see posted from everyone and I may not be perfect. I want what's best for us, our survival and our victory.
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Old 03-10-2015, 03:34 PM   #350
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I think we need to focus on some of the odder types. Which is hypocritical, I know, but stringing me up will only reduce our numbers by one, possibly two. This could be a ridiculously quick game for us villagers at that rate.

Well, who would you consider the odder types and why? I'm not asking for history or voting patterns if that's what you aren't comfortable with, but at least if you want me to move my vote you are going to have to give me some sort of alternative plus some reasoning for it.

We are all villagers in thread after all.
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