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Old 06-20-2004, 11:31 PM   #151
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OK, I am going to list my opinions for the best pop songs by some of the best known pop artists:

Billy Joel: Tell Her About It
Elton John: Candle in the Wind
John Melloncamp: Jack and Diane
Bruce Springsteen: Born in the USA
Hall & Oates: Private Eyes
Mariah Carey: Someday (can't believe I am saying this!)
Carly Simon: You're So Vain
ABBA: Dancing Queen
James Taylor: Fire & Rain
Jim Croce: Time in a Bottle
Whitney Houston: Greatest Love of All
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Old 06-20-2004, 11:36 PM   #152
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How did this get to page 4 without mentioning the greatest 80's 'pop' band. The Thompson Twins: Hold Me Now needs to be considered, it's pointless, bouncy, lyrically crap, but still pretty inoffensive. And that just about defines pop for me.
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Old 06-20-2004, 11:40 PM   #153
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Old 06-21-2004, 03:25 AM   #154
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anything by the promise ring on the 'nothing feels good' lp.
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Old 06-21-2004, 07:00 AM   #155
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I pretty much agree with this. However, are we returning to pop with people/acts like the Spice Girls, Brittany Spears, NSync, Back Street Boyz, Christina Aguilera, and more recently Hillary Duff and Raven Simone. I guess you could consider this the "Disney movement". (Can't you tell I have pre-teen/new-teen daughters.)

Disney is all over Ravone Simone. I can't watch 2 minutes of Disney Channel with my daughter without her mug showing up on the screen.
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Old 06-21-2004, 12:05 PM   #156
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poison (oooh, there's a pop hair band for you - Cherry Pie, She's Only 17)
You're 0 for 2 there... Winger did "She's Only 17".

The songs that Poison is known for, offhand:
Every Rose Has Its Thorn
Your Momma Don't Dance (cover, isn't it?)
(by chorus, not sure of the title) Ain't looking for nothing but a good time

I don't know if they're known for it, but I prefer Something To Believe In.
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Old 06-21-2004, 12:16 PM   #157
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For less popular artists, I'd go with everyone's favorite Sweedish duo, Roxette. I admit I was a sucker for this group. They had a number of great pop songs, my favorite of which would have to be "Fading Like a Flower."
"Fading Like a Flower" is an incredible song.

Their first album (which does not include the aforementioned) is pretty good, it has several songs that would qualify under the current operating definition of "pop" as well as a few that are too "serious".

Among the singles-
"Pop":
The Look
Dressed For Success
Dangerous

"Serious":
Listen to Your Heart
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Old 06-21-2004, 12:28 PM   #158
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You're 0 for 2 there... Winger did "She's Only 17".

The songs that Poison is known for, offhand:
Every Rose Has Its Thorn
Your Momma Don't Dance (cover, isn't it?)
(by chorus, not sure of the title) Ain't looking for nothing but a good time

I don't know if they're known for it, but I prefer Something To Believe In.

The one that started it all was Talk Dirty To Me.

I never understood how that band was so popular back in the 80's. They went about as far as a "rock" band could go in the 80's without being forced to tour with Wham. I still remember some song called Unskinny Bop or something like that.

*shudder*

Winger got a bum wrap, thanks to the double-barrelled assault from Metallica and Beavis & Butthead. Truth is, that band was chock full o' superb studio musicians, which resulted in some above-average 80's rock, Winger's Don Johnson poses aside. I haven't heard that stuff in ages, though, and I'm sure it doesn't hold up well 15 years later.
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Old 06-21-2004, 12:55 PM   #159
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Old 06-21-2004, 01:03 PM   #160
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I don't know if they're known for it, but I prefer Something To Believe In.

I'm an I Want Action man myself, though I can't count Poison as one of my favorites.
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Old 09-10-2005, 11:09 AM   #161
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I've got a new entry here. It popped up on random recently, on some 80's compilation I have, and i forgot what an awesome guilty pleasure this song is for me. It was just that good I had to search for this thread.

"Easy Lover"
Phil Collins & Philip Bailey


Easy lover
She'll get a hold on you believe it
Like no other
Before you know it you'll be on your knees
She's an easy lover
She'll take your heart but you won't feel it
She's like no other
And I'm just trying to make you see

She's the kind of girl you dream of
Dream of keeping hold of
You'd better forget it
You'll never get it
She will play around and leave you
Leave you and deceive you
Better forget it
Oh you'll regret it

No you'll never change her, so leave it, leave it
Get out quick cos seeing is believing
It's the only way
You'll ever know

Easy lover
She'll get a hold on you believe it
Like no other
Before you know it you'll be on your knees
She's an easy lover
She'll take your heart but you won't feel it
She's like no other
And I'm just trying to make you see

You're the one that wants to hold her
Hold her and control her
You'd better forget it
You'll never get it
For she'll say there's no other
Till she finds another
Better forget it
Oh you'll regret it

And don't try to change her, just leave it, leave it
You're not the only one, ooh seeing is believing
It's the only way
You'll ever know, oh

No don't try to change her, just leave it, leave it
You're not the only one, ooh seeing is believing
It's the only way
You'll ever know, oh

She's an easy lover (she's a easy lover)
She'll get a hold on you believe it (get a hold on you)
(She's) like no other
Before you know it you'll be on your knees (you'll be down on your knees)
She's an easy lover
She'll take your heart but you won't feel it (you won't feel it)
She's like no other
And I'm just trying to make you see (trying to make you see)
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Old 09-13-2005, 12:23 PM   #162
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Old 09-13-2005, 12:31 PM   #163
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I will always associate "Easy Lover" with the Intellivision version of Bump 'n' Jump. Just one of those odd things where it was on when I happened to be playing the game, and the association somehow stuck with me.

I'll add another from the 80's that may or may not have been listed the first time around - Get Out of My Dreams (and into My Car) by Billy Ocean.
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Old 09-13-2005, 12:51 PM   #164
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I will always associate "Easy Lover" with the Intellivision version of Bump 'n' Jump. Just one of those odd things where it was on when I happened to be playing the game, and the association somehow stuck with me.

Blind Melon's self-titled first album and Weezer's first album will forever make me think of Super Mario Kart (for Super Nintendo). I can't even tell you how many hours I spent playing the game while listening to them.
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Old 09-13-2005, 01:28 PM   #165
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something like Lets go crazy?
Actually, that might be it.

Looking back on what I said when we first discussed this, my thoughts have really changed. The only thing I think I would add is that for it to be the "perfect" pop song it needs to be somewhat ubiquitous -- it needs to stretch across lines of age, gender, race, culture and whatnot. Despite his eccentricities and move toward obscurity in his later years, I think Prince is the Neil Diamond of his day in that both are tremendous pop-song crafters. Their songs lend themselves to various styles, tempos and voices. They can be covered by a wide range of artists and styles.

I think I favor "Let's Go Crazy" now because I see it as being the one song nominated that I can see being the song that gets everyone on the floor to dance when local cover band playing the wedding reception fires it up.
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Old 09-13-2005, 01:49 PM   #166
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I still look at this as a "scientific" question, if you will, instead of automatically gravitating toward songs that were popular. There are a number of very nearly perfect pop songs, as an art form, that very few people have heard.
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Old 09-13-2005, 01:50 PM   #167
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Old 09-13-2005, 02:17 PM   #168
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havent read the whole thread (i remmeber starting reading it back in the day but didnt keep up) but here's my nomination:

the click five - just the girl


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Old 09-13-2005, 02:35 PM   #169
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I actually like Pop Princess from that Click Five album better, although the chorus reminds me of another song I can't place. Perfect song, though.
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Old 09-13-2005, 02:37 PM   #170
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I still look at this as a "scientific" question, if you will, instead of automatically gravitating toward songs that were popular. There are a number of very nearly perfect pop songs, as an art form, that very few people have heard.

Why did this have to pop Puffy Ami Yumi into my mind? Not that very few have heard them I guess...


(gets uncontrollable urge to listen to Teen Titans theme song...T/E/E/N/T-I-T/A-N-S....Teen...Ti-tans...Let's GO!)
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Old 09-13-2005, 02:42 PM   #171
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The Teen Titans theme is pure, golden pop goodness from the Land of the Rising Sun.
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Old 09-13-2005, 02:43 PM   #172
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Why did this have to pop Puffy Ami Yumi into my mind? Not that very few have heard them I guess...


(gets uncontrollable urge to listen to Teen Titans theme song...T/E/E/N/T-I-T/A-N-S....Teen...Ti-tans...Let's GO!)

Ugh! I'm in a discussion about them on another board right now. I freaking hate them...or more to the point, I hate the fact that Andy Sturmer is wasting his time and considerable talent on that schlock. And word is that Butch Walker is next in line to work with them. What gives? What is it about young Japanese girls with voices like the chipmunks on helium that mystifies both porn addicts and great songwriters?

Here they are completely destroying one of the greatest pop songs of the past 2 decades (Jellyfish's Joining a Fan Club):

hxxp://www.bigbaer.com/archives/2005/08/_come_on_you_kn.html


She "brew him a kiss"?!?!? Are they flippin' serious?!
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Old 09-13-2005, 02:45 PM   #173
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The Teen Titans theme is pure, golden pop goodness from the Land of the Rising Sun.

Performance aside, there's no question that Andy Sturmer is a musical genius. If only he would use his powers for the good of mankind...
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Old 09-13-2005, 02:47 PM   #174
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They're surprisingly older than I thought they were - born in 1973 and 1975.
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Old 09-13-2005, 02:49 PM   #175
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Yeah, they're in the 30s, but play 16 year olds on TV. It's what their 45 year old male fans want.
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Old 09-13-2005, 02:50 PM   #176
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Old 09-13-2005, 02:58 PM   #177
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:01 PM   #178
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:04 PM   #179
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Weezer-Buddy Holly (or Island In The Sun)
White Stripes-We're Going to be Friends

That song by I think...Blackstreet; It went "Don't leave me girl..please stay with me to-nii-ii--iight"

Proclaimers-I'm Gonne be (500 Miles)
Queen-We Are The Champions
Ace Of Base-I Saw the Sign
Beach Boys-Wouldn't It Be Nice
Marvin Gaye-Through The Grapevine
Gloria Gaynor-I Will Survive
Flamingos-I Only Have Eyes For You
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Old 09-13-2005, 03:47 PM   #180
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I open up this thread at the same time a co worker was humming the song "My Sharona"

Seems like it fits in here somewhere.
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Old 09-13-2005, 04:50 PM   #181
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Ugh! I'm in a discussion about them on another board right now. I freaking hate them...or more to the point, I hate the fact that Andy Sturmer is wasting his time and considerable talent on that schlock. And word is that Butch Walker is next in line to work with them. What gives? What is it about young Japanese girls with voices like the chipmunks on helium that mystifies both porn addicts and great songwriters?

Here they are completely destroying one of the greatest pop songs of the past 2 decades (Jellyfish's Joining a Fan Club):

hxxp://www.bigbaer.com/archives/2005/08/_come_on_you_kn.html


She "brew him a kiss"?!?!? Are they flippin' serious?!

I don't know if I'll be able to handle listening to that, so I'll probably pass. On the one hand, I guess it's cool they used the song, but on the other, kinda sucky that they trashed it.
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Old 09-13-2005, 05:43 PM   #182
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Belle & Sebastian's last album, Dear Catastrophe Waitress,yeilded no less than three perfect pop songs: "Step Into My Office Baby", "If She Wants Me", and "I'm A Cuckoo".

Their earlier stuff too, though the lyrical content may disqualify those songs from QuikSands definition. Except "Mayfly" maybe. If You're Feeling Sinister is a pefect pop record.
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Old 09-13-2005, 05:50 PM   #183
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Another gem from the realm of pure pop goodness: Teenage Fanclub's "What You Do To Me." Pretty sure this song has about 18 words in it, but still stands out as insidiously catchy. Plus, they're Scots, so liking them might get you in with a certain moderator...
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Old 09-13-2005, 06:56 PM   #184
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Here they are completely destroying one of the greatest pop songs of the past 2 decades (Jellyfish's Joining a Fan Club):

hxxp://www.bigbaer.com/archives/2005/08/_come_on_you_kn.html


She "brew him a kiss"?!?!? Are they flippin' serious?!

Severely delayed dola - just listened to the first few seconds of that "effort," right after spinning the original. PuffyAmiYumi should stick to animated theme songs, and leave the Jellyfish to the pros. Ick. I feel a bit dirty.
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Old 09-13-2005, 07:05 PM   #185
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Coincidently to the timing of this bump, I have been on a nostalgia kick lately in listening (over and over) to the greatest pop bands/albums of all time:

Monkees
Lovin' Spoonful
Paul Revere and the Raiders
Mamas and Papas
Byrds
Rascals
The Association
Grass Roots
Herman's Hermits
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Old 12-30-2005, 07:35 PM   #186
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Once again, "Christmas Wrapping" by the Waitresses. If push came to shove i think i might list it as the most well-written song ever.
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Old 12-30-2005, 07:44 PM   #187
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Because I didn't see past the first page and I'm not sure if anyone would have mentioned this - how about Wake up Little Suzie by The Everly Brothers ?

Another option - though it may fall into the overly complex category - Norwegian Wood.
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Old 12-30-2005, 08:06 PM   #188
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Wake up Little Suzie by The Everly Brothers ?

Far closer to what I originally had in mind, yeah. I have a problem with a few of the gratuitous rhymes, but that's so central to the culture, it's hard to hold it against them there.
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Old 12-30-2005, 08:34 PM   #189
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I think every band has covered Be Bop A Lula at some point for its popiness.
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Old 12-30-2005, 08:35 PM   #190
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You Can't Hurry Love

(b. holland/l. dozier/e. holland, jr.)

I need love, love
To ease my mind
I need to find, find someone to call mine
But mama said

You can’t hurry love
No, you just have to wait
She said love don’t come easy
It’s a game of give and take

You can’t hurry love
No, you just have to wait
You got to trust, give it time
No matter how long it takes

But how many heartaches
Must I stand before I find a love
To let me live again
Right now the only thing
That keeps me hangin’ on
When I feel my strength, yeah
It’s almost gone
I remember mama said:

You can’t hurry love
No, you just have to wait
She said love don’t come easy
It’s a game of give and take

How long must I wait
How much more can I take
Before loneliness will cause my heart
Heart to break?

No I can’t bear to live my life alone
I grow impatient for a love to call my own
But when I feel that i, I can’t go on
These precious words keeps me hangin’ on
I remember mama said:

You can’t hurry love
No, you just have to wait
She said love don’t come easy
It’s a game of give and take

You can’t hurry love
No, you just have to wait
She said trust, give it time
No matter how long it takes

No, love, love, don’t come easy
But I keep on waiting
Anticipating for that soft voice
To talk to me at night
For some tender arms
To hold me tight
I keep waiting
I keep on waiting
But it ain’t easy
It ain’t easy
But mama said:

You can’t hurry love
No, you just have to wait
She said to trust, give it time
No matter how long it takes

You can’t hurry love
No, you just have to wait
She said love don’t come easy
It’s a game of give and take
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Old 12-30-2005, 08:53 PM   #191
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Ugh! I'm in a discussion about them on another board right now. I freaking hate them...or more to the point, I hate the fact that Andy Sturmer is wasting his time and considerable talent on that schlock. And word is that Butch Walker is next in line to work with them. What gives? What is it about young Japanese girls with voices like the chipmunks on helium that mystifies both porn addicts and great songwriters?

Here they are completely destroying one of the greatest pop songs of the past 2 decades (Jellyfish's Joining a Fan Club):

hxxp://www.bigbaer.com/archives/2005/08/_come_on_you_kn.html


She "brew him a kiss"?!?!? Are they flippin' serious?!

Good Lord in heaven, I just saw this. So, the greatness of that song has come to this? Still, though, sadly Sturmer will make more money that he did the first go around. Who is next, Jason Faulkner?
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:37 PM   #192
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You Can't Hurry Love

Wow, Phil Collins covered it and you still decided to use it!

(I had a cassette single of that version, fwiw, though the Supremes version is very good too of course)

Anyone mention Locomotion? That's been covered a few times; you have to figure (as Senator pointed out with Be Bop a Lula) if a song keeps being covered, it must work.
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:39 PM   #193
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Dola - I don't really think it is considered "pop", but I was listening to Superstition for the umpteenth time on the way home today and wondered if musically you could do much better...I know that boils down to personal tastes, but damn do I like that song.
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:57 PM   #194
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Once again, "Christmas Wrapping" by the Waitresses. If push came to shove i think i might list it as the most well-written song ever.


ugh - love that song, but now I have "you mean you forgot cranberries too" stuck in my head! that is one of the songs that I know about 5 or 6 lines to but try to sing it all the way through anyway and end up going "nanannnnaaaaa" until it comes to one of the parts I know

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Old 01-01-2006, 11:01 PM   #195
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Good Lord in heaven, I just saw this. So, the greatness of that song has come to this? Still, though, sadly Sturmer will make more money that he did the first go around. Who is next, Jason Faulkner?

Falkner wasted the better part of 2 years playing touring bass for French bore/act Air. Then he shelved his latest album to record with McCartney (which is understandable, I guess, but still...). He's supposed to have a new album out in 2006. Until then, I'm content with having a copy of the Bliss Descending demos which he supposedly scrapped for some reason. It's strange how so many people affiliated with Jellyfish have spent the rest of their careers supporting other, less talented (IMO) acts - Sturmer, Manning, Falkner, Dover, Brion, etc. More than a decade's worth of great music lost so that Manning could play keys for Beck and record a moog album. WTF?
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Old 01-01-2006, 11:07 PM   #196
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Dola - I don't really think it is considered "pop", but I was listening to Superstition for the umpteenth time on the way home today and wondered if musically you could do much better...I know that boils down to personal tastes, but damn do I like that song.

I love that song, too, and completely agree.
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Bliss Descending is pretty good. I have all his stuff.
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Old 01-01-2006, 11:17 PM   #198
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I actually don't like Bliss Descending all that much. The demos, which are the songs he scrapped for a full-length album - only one of which I think made the BD EP - are more like his older stuff. I'm not sure what to expect from him at this point, but I hope it's more like the demos and less like the EP, to be honest. His first two solo albums, plus the Grays collaboration with Jon Brion, are fantastic. Unfortunately, he put out only those 3 albums in the past 15 years, which is a crime.
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Old 01-01-2006, 11:52 PM   #199
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how about "Train in Vain" by the Clash? or maybe "Should I Stay or Should I Go"?
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Assuming "pop" refers to popularity, if the wind up to many mainstream concerts is anything to go by (not concerts of individual artists or bands but such as Live 8 etc) then you can't get away from "Hey Jude" - seems like they drag McCartney out every time to send the crowd home happy
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