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I know you aren't on the up and up Lathum. You are bad news to the Egyptians.
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06-27-2006, 09:58 AM
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06-27-2006, 09:59 AM
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I know you were talking with Chubby...my role allows me to "hear" things.
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"General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams |
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06-27-2006, 10:02 AM
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I know you don't have the kingdom in your best interests, you are out for your own gain...
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"General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams |
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06-27-2006, 10:07 AM
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06-27-2006, 10:19 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
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That quote was regarding Vince, not you. Tell the truth, I don't have much of a read on you at this point, that's the main reason you're on my list. As I look some more, if I don't get any reason to suspect you then you'll be off. I'm not very good at note-taking and play a lot by feel.......really a part of my game I'd like to improve.
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06-27-2006, 10:24 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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and what role allows you to "listen" to other players, I don't see anything in the rules about a role like that.
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06-27-2006, 10:24 AM
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Location: Seattle, WA
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You're gonna need to be a lot more specific about this. Today.
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06-27-2006, 10:31 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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I am heading off to work now ( how convienient for Qwik that I won't be around to counter any BS he may have about me).
I just don't understand where he is coming from, if I am the prophecy I have done everything to secure a win for the villegars. I am on the side of good. IT is that simple, if the villegars win, I win and I don't know what else I need to do to prove it. |
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06-27-2006, 10:35 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Early, TX
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06-27-2006, 10:38 AM
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Oh come come, so defensive, do you deny talking with Chubby? I know you did, Dubb could find out wheter or not it's true.
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"General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams |
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06-27-2006, 10:39 AM
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It's the truth...and I'm sure the discussion will continue...I mean if I'm wrong I'm dead...just like what you did to Blade and Saldana...right.
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"General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams |
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06-27-2006, 10:41 AM
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Pharaoh, I've always deemed you good, but I know there is far more evil out there than the ruling class and the necros... I also know that Anxiety wanders at night... How did you think I knew Coffee and Tyrith to be good?
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"General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams |
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06-27-2006, 10:44 AM
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I'm not so apt to give up my role like Schmidty, but I know it to be true that you were talking with Chubby. Just confirm or deny?
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"General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams |
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06-27-2006, 10:49 AM
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let's not waste dubb and just you tell us today so dubb can check on of the other players we question. |
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06-27-2006, 10:52 AM
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This is something that /needs/ verification...I don't want dubb to waste his ability either, but you may want to know whether or not I speak the truth...or whether or not Lathum does?
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"General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams |
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06-27-2006, 11:01 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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A fanatic vouched for you and that's it, not a Mystic or a Soothsayer or something. That's why.
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06-27-2006, 11:10 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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I'm looking at King today hard.
Assume that at least one Necro remaining knew who Chubby was. If there are, say, two remaining Necs, both may not have known Chubby, but one probably did at least. The only valid vote to save Chubby was Schmidty. Who voted for Schmidty? SnDvls, Lathum, King, and Chubby himself. One more vote for Schmidty and Chubby is clear for another day. Yesterday was a perfect day to vote to help Chubby, because a lot of us admitted that we weren;t 100% sure of our votes, and someone could have easily voted for Schmidty without raising suspicions. Therefore, King is suspicious to me. BTW, for the same reason, this would support Qwik's view of Lathum. -Anxiety
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06-27-2006, 11:36 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
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Anxiety, confirm or deny?
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06-27-2006, 11:50 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Catonsville, MD
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06-27-2006, 12:04 PM
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Let me just preface by saying that I'm not after Anxiety. I believe him to be clean, but I know Lathum is not. I'm not revealing anything else, though I know much more. I think I've stated enough to at least bring about dialogue.
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06-27-2006, 12:06 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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OK. I've got to go back and look at some posts later today then.
Qwik, are you vouching that Anxiety is good?
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06-27-2006, 12:07 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
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Dola, I guess you are when you say you believe him to be clean. Would help for me to read the entire post.
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06-27-2006, 12:13 PM
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Location: ...down the gravity well
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We're already going multiple paths (mind the pun) and I didn't want to divulge information, but once it was revealed who Chubby was, and the fact that I saw him talking with Lathum. Well I knew it wasn't about a pyramid revitaliziation project... I don't think we need at this time to press about Anxiety, we need to focus on Lathum...he's the danger, we can focus on the other suspicious ones (including myself) after Lathum. I only reinterate why I'm doing this is because he is such a danger.
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"General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams |
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06-27-2006, 12:19 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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I'm comfortable with the press lathum strategy. I also like looking at king.
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06-27-2006, 12:24 PM
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I'm amenable to that but I believe that this first needs attention because if I'm wrong, then I'm first target for lynch tomorrow, and I have a feeling that if I don't follow through that I will be dead tonight by Lathum or one of his cohorts...I really believe he is the reason for blade's demise...and I'm still not sure what's going on with saldana. My circle of trust has always been path, tyrith, saldana and you are welcome to join it. I know you all don't fully comprise the same feelings, but it is true that I know you are genuine in preserving the Egyptian way of life.
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06-27-2006, 12:26 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
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Qwik and Anxiety -- my problem right now is trying to piece together roles for the two of you that would allow Qwik to know that Lathum and Chubby were talking and that Anxiety walks at night.......and you both be good.
I see no role offhand that allows you to listen in on Chubby/Lathum. It comes down to what Barkeep said -- where are the advantages for the bad guys? It can't just be sheer numbers.
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06-27-2006, 12:32 PM
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Location: ...down the gravity well
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Instead of piecing together the roles, you need to look beyond them. Lathum is not what he claims to be and he is a threat to you. I'm positive he killed blade, and stricken saldana...we need to truly verify that saldana is dying. I know what I know. There are question marks for a lot of people, but this is the final stages. You had good judgement with chubby, what do I have to gain, why would I implicate lathum now, why of all the other people with so many more tantilizing or easy choices did I single out lathum, I could have just as easily picked king, or tangle, or vince, all in the same boat as me in characteristics in play (schmidty was the same way until his role reveal). Lathum is dangerous to you path, and to all the Egyptians...
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06-27-2006, 12:35 PM
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what the hell we still have numbers right.
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06-27-2006, 12:53 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
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Sn, I'd be interested in your take on all this.
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06-27-2006, 01:12 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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06-27-2006, 01:16 PM
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I'm heading out of work and I have a dentist appointment, I'll be back to answer any further questions to the best of my ability...I'm not backing down though.
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"General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams |
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06-27-2006, 01:21 PM
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I really don't have a take, just a vote for now. |
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06-27-2006, 01:21 PM
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06-27-2006, 02:30 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Willow Glen, CA
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Jesus. So someone I'm not sold on as being good just completely and totally damns someone I supposedly trust, and now I have no idea what is going on.
Qwik, how do you account for Lathum raising the Avatar? I'm fairly certain that Fouts knew that Lathum raised him, and admitted such (I'm going to go back to look at posts to confirm this, but I'm about 99% sure this is the case). If that is the case, how can you be so sure that he is bad?
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06-27-2006, 02:32 PM
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Location: Morgan Hill, CA
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Wow. My head is spinning right now. Barkeep was a fanatic? I would take that to mean Alan was searching for Vince. I highly doubt he would have tried to attempt a solo kill on his own at that stage in the game. Just doesn't make sense for a nec to do that. Especially after a failed attempt on pass and path.
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06-27-2006, 02:38 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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Remember, Barkeep was just a fanatic. He was the one who really stoo up for Lathum. How does a fanatic get that kind of information?
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06-27-2006, 02:39 PM
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Well, after my initial gaffe in being totally surprised that Alan attacked me, it made sense that he would be looking for me as a bad guy (he did say that he suspected me after all). I still think that the Elite Guard was the one to off Alan (the rules don't mention when a Fanatic's kill is resolved), though I am aware that this doesn't clear me, and is just a shrewd move on the Guard's part. What I'm not sure of is who was protected last night...
And isn't Dubb out of viewings? He cleared SnDvls and then used one on Lathum...I thought he only had 2 scans?
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06-27-2006, 02:43 PM
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Location: Willow Glen, CA
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I'm with Path here...I can't see any possible role that would give you this information, and hoops was adamant about the lack of hidden roles in the game. On top of this, Tyrith isn't proven good yet (though not many people seem to suspect him). The only role I could possibly think of to give you information like this would be if you were the Elite Guard and you tried to defend Anxiety...but then how would you find out about the supposed Chubby/Lathum conversation? It seems like that's a vastly overpowered role then. We're getting late enough in the game that I think us peons deserve a bit more information before we blindly follow you around. With no Guard being killed, and no Guard revealed yet, you know that you can be protected (and every night if we need it...path can order him around), so what are you worried about coming out for? Unless you're being obtuse to pressure Lathum, I'm not very happy with this secrecy at this point in the game.
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06-27-2006, 02:46 PM
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Location: Willow Glen, CA
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Anxiety, what do you feel about Qwik -- he did just vouch for you.
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06-27-2006, 02:54 PM
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Location: Catonsville, MD
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I like Qwik better now than I did this morning. I still think King has a higher chance of being dirty than anyone else.
Voting for Schmidty is a red flag for me, unless you are in my COT. That leaves Lathum and King. I think King is more likely a Nec, and Lathum is obviously the prophecy. For those who don't remember, Tuesday is date night here. I'll be leaving in an hour or so. I'm willing to consider voting for king or Lathum, but I'll hold off for now. -Anxiety
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06-27-2006, 03:03 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
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I still stand by my vote yesterday. Right now it seems that anybody with a low post count is a target (me, tyrith, schmidty, tangle, vince, qwik). I think that is everyone. I still like the odds that Schmidty is a nec on the ruling class. His high priest role is even less likely now that we know we had 2 fanatics. How is this game balanced if we get an EG, 2 fanatcis, a good pharoah with a duke power, mystic , all the members of the ruling class, a soothsayer and a prophecy that can also raise avatars??? Just doesn't add up IMO.
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06-27-2006, 03:03 PM
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Location: Houston, TX
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Barkeep hinted pretty much as strong as he could that Alan wasn't making an attack on Vince. Barkeep didn't want to shout his role from the rooftops but left us a big fat hint there. I absolutely cannot believe barkeep took his fanatic power to the grave with him. He killed Alan, I'm sure of it.
Personally, I don't see any reason to kill Lathum _now_. We either should have done it a couple of days ago or we should let it go until he does something else flagrantly aggressive. Unlike back then we have actual other suspects. Lathum raised an avatar meaning that at worst he's against them as much as against us. While the mean part of me still wants to get him killed for revenge it's just not smart at all. We have an actual suspect list now. On that note, I'm sticking to the list for now. VOTE KINGFC22 |
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06-27-2006, 03:04 PM
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Location: Willow Glen, CA
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Personally, I'd rather hear more from Qwik before we start voting off Lathum. With Barkeep gone, the figurehead of our circle of trust/really talkative guy is out of the picture, and with all the suspicion running around these parts, I can see us scrambling a bit and the bad guys gaining ground. Now is the perfect time for the bad guys to go after Lathum if he really is good.
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06-27-2006, 03:05 PM
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king is high enough on my distrust list to vote for, but Qwik's actions are screaming 'odd' to me.
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06-27-2006, 03:07 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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It isn't a question of post count. Anxiety is also suspected and me and him are both pretty high up the post list, and Vince and Qwik aren't really quiet. This just seems like targeting the people who there are no support for. I don't know about schmidty anymore. It just doesn't make any sense for me. I don't think it's insane to think we're still facing three necros, which opens up weird trios like path/schmidty/x, schmidty/tangle/x, and other things that kinda blow up my trust list a little. But right now I'm not in a big rush to go down that road. |
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06-27-2006, 03:09 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Morgan Hill, CA
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I really want to hear from qwik before I vote since I have to leave for work in less than an hour.
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06-27-2006, 03:09 PM
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Location: Seattle, WA
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This is the big question right now IMO.
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06-27-2006, 03:13 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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I agree with Tyrith about Lathum. I haven't seen any overt moves against us and until we do I don't know that it's a good idea -- besides, we don't know what capabilities the prophecy has, and lynching him might have consequences we're not aware of.
Can someone explain to me or point out how Barkeeps death means that Alan was not attacking Vince? I know it's likely right in front of my face, but I'm having problems with the connection.
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06-27-2006, 03:14 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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Because the fanatics didn't do us any actual good this game. We lost TWO guys to a fanatic in exchange for killing one bad guy. Our mystic may have been booby-trapped from the beginning -- some prophecy thing? Ruling class aren't powerful roles. Prophecy probably has an alt. win condition -- and yes, I still think it's Lathum, it's just that killing him isn't in OUR win condition just yet. And a duke power on someone that won't have to use it to shield themselves is just a vote jacking without the pharaoh having any actual knowledge. Head necro got something like two free kills through disease, plus silence, plus whatever. Not to mention that we got quite lucky to get to this stage -- what if Bek is a good guy?
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