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Old 10-29-2020, 05:17 AM   #1
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"Meanwhile, I had promised people another Front Office Football update by the end of October. Again, I apologize, but I am still waiting to hear information that would allow me to make the decision whether to proceed with FOF9. Development remains on hold and I continue to learn new techniques. Weíll try again next month. As we all know by now, I am really, really bad at adjusting to the obvious. I beat myself up all the time about it, but unfortunately, itís just who I am."


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Old 10-29-2020, 04:53 PM   #2
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Nice. Regardless of what information he hears, the fact that he wrote he is continuing to learn new techniques leads me to believe there is a CHANCE we get a new version. Because from the past, if Jim is kicking around new ideas, this tends to motivate him to try it out in a newer version.
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Old 10-29-2020, 06:19 PM   #3
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Interesting. Curious as to the information he is waiting on, other potential employment? Like Ant though states he is still learning which is good news. I think most will agree that of the other game engines out there his is by far the most complete and representative of this sport. I respect his desire to push this alone and only wished there were a means of getting him some assistance allowing him to shed some of the load.

Here's to being patient!
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Old 10-29-2020, 11:44 PM   #4
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At this point some news is better than simply not knowing where of what, if anything, might be coming. Rather than things just disappearing off into the sunset.
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Old 10-30-2020, 04:16 PM   #5
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At this point some news is better than simply not knowing where of what, if anything, might be coming. Rather than things just disappearing off into the sunset.

You mean like how OOTP screwed this whole thing up?

Meanwhile, it's great to hear from Jim. Whatever this 'information' is, I just hope it's for the best for him.
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Old 10-31-2020, 08:21 AM   #6
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Is it really that difficult to say, yes there will be another version or no there will not be one?
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Old 10-31-2020, 11:40 AM   #7
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Thanks for the update Jim. During this down time I’ve been hoping Jim would find that spark and we would either get a new version or an updated FOF8. I imagined an 80’s style montage where Jim working feverishly and excitedly.... alas that didn’t happen..... yet..... until then I’ll push through with my SP season. FOF is head and shoulders above all other sim games so I’ll patiently wait. Onward and upward go the 2028 Philadelphia Eagles!!! On the road to Victory!!!
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Old 10-31-2020, 12:47 PM   #8
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OOTP screwed this whole thing up

I've been resisting this POV... but I'm rapidly approaching it now.
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Old 11-01-2020, 01:22 PM   #9
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Is it really that difficult to say, yes there will be another version or no there will not be one?

It is the way of Jim! One practices patience and awaits the planetary alignment.
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Old 11-01-2020, 01:25 PM   #10
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You mean like how OOTP screwed this whole thing up?

In a dream world I saw OOTP reaching back out to him with an offer of his own dedicated staff.






Then I woke up.
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Old 11-01-2020, 09:54 PM   #11
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You mean like how OOTP screwed this whole thing up?

Meanwhile, it's great to hear from Jim. Whatever this 'information' is, I just hope it's for the best for him.

Yep, OOTP took a great plan and crushed it into bits. It's not as if this niche of the gaming world is loaded with great ideas and success from corner to corner. There's something worthwhile here and it wasn't treated as such.
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Old 11-03-2020, 05:32 PM   #12
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It feels kind of like a "+1", but it's encouraging that Jim's coming up with updates. Even a "not much to report" is a sign that FOF9 isn't out of the picture.
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Old 11-03-2020, 05:57 PM   #13
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Agreed, although it looks pretty, the Wolverine game isn’t even close to FOF as a sim, and hopefully Jim can find a way to market
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Old 11-04-2020, 05:02 PM   #14
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Agreed, although it looks pretty, the Wolverine game isnít even close to FOF as a sim, and hopefully Jim can find a way to market

Agreed! I tried to see if I could enjoy it, even made a few of the graphics sets for it, but just couldn't stay there. The game mechanics have come a long way since Brooks started it, the new Wolverine GUI is nice, but the overall game play just isn't there. The game now sits on my drive collecting dust, a shame.
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Old 11-07-2020, 10:07 AM   #15
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Agreed! I tried to see if I could enjoy it, even made a few of the graphics sets for it, but just couldn't stay there. The game mechanics have come a long way since Brooks started it, the new Wolverine GUI is nice, but the overall game play just isn't there. The game now sits on my drive collecting dust, a shame.
If only we could merge Wolverine like graphics with Jim's game engine, I'd be happy. Historical rosters would be great too.
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Old 11-08-2020, 11:12 AM   #16
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Agreed! I tried to see if I could enjoy it, even made a few of the graphics sets for it, but just couldn't stay there. The game mechanics have come a long way since Brooks started it, the new Wolverine GUI is nice, but the overall game play just isn't there. The game now sits on my drive collecting dust, a shame.

This is what actually brought me here again (realized I had a private message from 2014 I never saw - lol). I tried to play The DDS PF game and just no. I started off a new game with a player draft and had all 97+ offensive line starters just to see what would happen and I felt like it did nothing. Then I saw the 'salary cap' and how it worked. Woof.

So I came back here to reinstall the old games. Unfortunately even though I'm admin, my PC really does not want me to change write permissions so TCY may be beyond my reach. Good to hear something new might be coming "soon" ... as we know that's relative here

**EDIT** Also I heard about the OOTP plan, and I was super encouraged. RIP that I suppose.

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Old 11-11-2020, 12:17 AM   #17
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Don't even get me started on DDS.

Gary was pimpin' that game out like crazy on the OOTP-FOF forum until I mistakenly bought the hype and both the college and pro football games they offered... then quickly realized that under that nice-enough UI they have, the gameplay is severely lacking.

I even had a spell where I helped w/ field logos on their college game and got about 3/4 of the way through updating the entire roster file w/ real-life contract/salary cap values only to discover their system was also a mess. Then I finally decided to buy FOF for the first time ever (FOF 8), became instantly hooked, and never touched DDS again.

Great customer service they have in regards to communication on their official forum. I can give them that, but their entire lineup across every sport they make a game for seems half-assed and left me feeling cheated based on what I was sold by Gary at first.

But anyway, on the FOF note right now where Jim is at... is anyone here familiar w/ Duece Douglas on the Madden OS forum?

He created a thread 4 years ago entitled Connected Franchise Mode: A Rebuild which has stayed relevant throughout. He's put a ton of work into not only the gameplay aspect of improving Franchise in Madden, but equally as much into providing mock-up visuals for his ideas.

Ever since OOTP screwed Jim over -- and considering the only thing lacking for FOF seems to be the visual/UI aspect -- I've just felt as if these two would be perfect for each other in working on the next FOF. I mean, if Duece is willing to put all of that work into that thread for free, I can only imagine he'd be willing to help w/ the design aspect of FOF the same way. It's not like his ideas are going to be considered by EA/Tiburon by now.

Is there any way to reach Jim -- other than this forum -- and take a shot at making this happen?
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Old 11-12-2020, 01:20 PM   #18
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Reviewed his stuff, amazing. It's obvious he is dedicated to adding to that game but some of those screens, IMO, could create a foundation to move forward from.
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Old 11-14-2020, 05:53 AM   #19
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Another small update:

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Again, to non-update FOF9 News, I am still waiting for information related to the project that will determine what I do next. When I have that information, I will let everyone know what will happen. I thought I’d have an announcement back in August, but some things are a lot harder to finish in our new world and I think that’s what causing this delay. Can’t say for certain, only that I know how I’ll proceed either way – it just makes no sense to announce anything under these circumstances. Normally, I’d just keep quiet about everything until I had something to say, but I don’t want people to think I’m holding back on information given that FOF9 was originally announced more than two years ago.

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Old 11-19-2020, 08:42 AM   #20
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Really glad he's keeping us informed even though progress is slow. Very classy and so 'un-OOTP' like.
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Old 11-19-2020, 02:29 PM   #21
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I agree. I am really rooting for Jim to improve a game that is already outstanding.
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Old Today, 11:25 AM   #22
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Well wishes Jim. I would love another game, but I hope you are happy doing whatever you do. FOF has given me many hundreds of hours of enjoyment.
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