WW XCII Athens -- Destroyed by Wolves! - Page 5

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:19 PM

Agreed Abe, certainly could be, but I was railroaded by then. My guess from there is that saldana is definitely wolf and dubb might be. But he sprayed crap all day and hoped to make it stick. If he's a villager, horrible day one play because it caused a lot of distraction and got a villager sent here, if he's a wolf, good move I guess.

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 02:20 PM

Sounds like Lathum.

Cure Lathum in 3..2..1

hoopsguy · 04-20-2009, 02:20 PM

Guess Schmidty won't need to worry about either his pro-Sparta(n) tendencies or his non-vote.

Not a stunner on EF, just glad that it was a vanilla villager (assumption before going to look on Page 1) and not something like Historian.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:21 PM

Look, I'll lay it out. I'm the marathon runner and there are only two. One is bad, one isn't. It makes sense to vote me, no frustration from me there. The fact that I put it out there in the other village should've helped them narrow their search, it didn't. Here, I don't have that kind of luck/value so I get it if you make a move on me.

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Sounds like Lathum.

Cure Lathum in 3..2..1

huh?

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 02:21 PM

Man, no one did that strategy quite like Blade. Insults inside of accusations of wolfdom. It was awesome in a nuclear war sort of way.

USFLTecmo · 04-20-2009, 02:21 PM

The way I see it, we've got a couple of different ways to go here. One's to trust EF's logic and go with Abe, or we could go for the 50/50 shot in PB. Hate to do that if he's good, but really now, it's a coin toss on him. That way too, we'll find out quickly if the information he's giving us now is legit.

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:22 PM

so PB, were you lynched or did you flee?

Was Poli lynched or night killed?

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

huh?

I was referring to this:

"he sprayed crap all day and hoped to make it stick"

from PB

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I was referring to this:

"he sprayed crap all day and hoped to make it stick"

from PB

I actually don't think I do that.

My style is more of grabbing onto one player like a Michael Vick pit bull and not letting go.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:24 PM

Yeah Abe, it's funny, having read previous games, that's what I was mildly reminded of. And frankly, I didn't argue well or even care to. His mind was made up, saldana immediately went with him and there the vote sat for four hours while everytime somebody popped in, dubb said: while you're here, vote pb, or the like. Heinz, if a wolf, played it well because he's got my trust for the game. He kept saying it doesn't look right.

Dubbs final comment: It's too bad we have to wait until the end to find out he's wolf.

Which, I'm not.

There was a minor push for war over there (2 people I think).

hoopsguy · 04-20-2009, 02:24 PM

PB, math certainly suggests that we do exactly that (take 50/50 shot) but there is no reason to start heading in that direction until everyone has reported back in the thread, see if there are night actions, etc.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:24 PM

Lathum doesn't really do that, I would agree.

The 50/50 shot makes sense. I am good, but you won't know.

I fled apparently. Poli might be nightkill, didn't think of that.

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:25 PM

I have to ask myself why Schmidty?

If I was a wolf I would want him around with the extra +1. Is it possible he is a wolf and the other wolves sent him down to Hades?

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 02:25 PM

wARRING THIS SOON DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME.

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 02:25 PM

Whoops, caps, sorry

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I fled apparently. Poli might be nightkill, didn't think of that.

Hurts my ego some because it would've been nice to know that the duke believed me. Oh well. Got some reading to do here I guess.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:26 PM

Agreed Abe, most of us argued that it would be a fustercluck if we warred this soon.

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I have to ask myself why Schmidty?

If I was a wolf I would want him around with the extra +1. Is it possible he is a wolf and the other wolves sent him down to Hades?

Yeah, but why grab that -1 vote daily as a wolf when the wolves are around to send you pms and stuff to get your vote in?

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Yeah, but why grab that -1 vote daily as a wolf when the wolves are around to send you pms and stuff to get your vote in?

he probably wasn't able to be online to get said PM.

Is it a horrible strategy to sacrifice one pf their own, who is going to have a +1 vote count regardless, on the ground early in hades?

I am also very confused about the fact that is a wolf kills another wolf at night they show up as a villager. Basicly that means everyone who was a night kill can't be trusted in Hades.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:29 PM

I guess for the wolves it would be a guaranteed kill because who would guard the no-show. Not sure though, if he's a wolf you could work around the +1 by vote coordination. If he's not, it's great to put extra pressure on a villager. Odd choice.

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:30 PM

=Should say to get a wolf on the ground early in Hades

hoopsguy · 04-20-2009, 02:31 PM

Are the wolves even allowed to send one of their own down to Hades? I do not recall seeing that in the rules.

Pass - were we supposed to learn about the allegiance of Schmidty? Or do we not learn that of the "night kills"?

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:31 PM

We do not learn allegiances Hoops, from what I've picked up until their 'final' death.

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:33 PM

I wish I knew we wouldn't find out alligience upon night deaths.

I swore I would never play in another non reveal game again

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Are the wolves even allowed to send one of their own down to Hades? I do not recall seeing that in the rules.

Pass - were we supposed to learn about the allegiance of Schmidty? Or do we not learn that of the "night kills"?

Quote:

Wolves in Athens or Sparta may choose one of their own to send to Hades – however, when this happens, they will be revealed as a villager.

from the main thread rules

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:35 PM

Lathum, I was surprised to see you play once I learned that.

Passacaglia · 04-20-2009, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Are the wolves even allowed to send one of their own down to Hades? I do not recall seeing that in the rules.

Pass - were we supposed to learn about the allegiance of Schmidty? Or do we not learn that of the "night kills"?

The way it will work is that if the wolves send one of their own down, they will show up as vanilla villager. Otherwise, the role will be revealed. I made an edit for Schmidty -- he now goes down as vanilla villager. Again, sorry about the confusion.

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 02:37 PM

I wasn;t, cause I don;t remember Lathum ever saying it. I understand it in this case.

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Lathum, I was surprised to see you play once I learned that.

where does it say that?

And Pass just said in the main thread that they are revealed, I am confused

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The Athenians decide to lynch EagleFan and send him to Hades. EagleFan was a villager!

It takes you a while to notice, but when you wake up, you realize that Schmidty is missing. Schmidty was a villager!

thought I would report this, Pass edited it.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 02:38 PM

NM, we didn't think there were reveals upon death in Sparta. Maybe we were wrong. A few of us also misread the number of roles, thinking each city had a set.

Lathum · 04-20-2009, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I wasn;t, cause I don;t remember Lathum ever saying it. I understand it in this case.

we had a game a while back where roles weren't revealed upon death. It was honestly the dumbest game I ever played in. It was basically 2 weeks of firing into the dark.

hoopsguy · 04-20-2009, 02:41 PM

OK, well at the very least we have all of our roles remaining in the city.

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

thought I would report this, Pass edited it.

Thanks!

Passacaglia · 04-20-2009, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

we had a game a while back where roles weren't revealed upon death. It was honestly the dumbest game I ever played in. It was basically 2 weeks of firing into the dark.

Not to mention, that game had a convert -- me. I joined the wolf team in like Day 7, having no idea I would be converted. Anyway, I wouldn't call this a non-reveal game, more like "limited reveal", to help prevent it from being too easy in Hades, so I'm hoping it won't be as crazy as that game was.

hoopsguy · 04-20-2009, 02:55 PM

PB, now that you get to read our thread - do you have any questions from Day 1?

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am also very confused about the fact that is a wolf kills another wolf at night they show up as a villager. Basicly that means everyone who was a night kill can't be trusted in Hades.

Unless they are revealeed with a role, since a killed wolf reveals as a roleless villager.

MartinD · 04-20-2009, 03:02 PM

Posting advance warning that I won't be around for most of tomorrow - will be checking in before I go to work (about 2am Eastern), and won't be able to get online until after tomorrow's deadline.

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 03:03 PM

OK - THANKS

MartinD · 04-20-2009, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

The way I see it, we've got a couple of different ways to go here. One's to trust EF's logic and go with Abe, or we could go for the 50/50 shot in PB. Hate to do that if he's good, but really now, it's a coin toss on him. That way too, we'll find out quickly if the information he's giving us now is legit.

We would also find out something about the marathon runner who started in Athens by lynching PB - if PB is good, that means that one of the wolves who started in Athens is the other marathon runner, and if PB is bad, the Athens marathon runner is a good guy.

How much use that will be is probably debatable (given that we don't know who the second marathon runner is, and they can go for a wee jog to Sparta at a time of their choosing), but thought that it was worth posting.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

PB, now that you get to read our thread - do you have any questions from Day 1?

Hoops, just got home. I'll read over and then double-check with you any questions.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

It looks like Pass is forcing me to keep my promise of not voting for PB on day one.

Hi all.

That bastard! Good or not, I'm glad you killed him!

Abe Sargent · 04-20-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinD

We would also find out something about the marathon runner who started in Athens by lynching PB - if PB is good, that means that one of the wolves who started in Athens is the other marathon runner, and if PB is bad, the Athens marathon runner is a good guy.

How much use that will be is probably debatable (given that we don't know who the second marathon runner is, and they can go for a wee jog to Sparta at a time of their choosing), but thought that it was worth posting.

I don't think we have the luxury to information shop right now. We could either be 6-2 or 5-3, so (or possibly 7-1 or 6-2 if Schmidty was a wolf). I'd rather not shop for info, but try to unearth wolves. Only reason I'd vote for is the basic 50/50 he has of being a wolf, not because we get good info from him, if that makes sense.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 03:37 PM

Ideally for me, I was hoping to be given a 'fresh' start and basically treated like another WW'er, given the chance to prove myself through play. But I realistically know that isn't going to happen.

A 50/50 shot on me is probably worth it. As for information, my second lynching, I believe, would be my last so you actually might get info. The problem is that it'll say I'm good, which doesn't help.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 03:37 PM

All the above refers to the fact that I'm the marathon, not that you're evil, unfair bastards.

Chief Rum · 04-20-2009, 03:47 PM

Athens Marathoner needs to leave for Sparta, right now if possible (not sure if it's an automatic flee, or if it's an action that only takes place at the deadline).

Doing so will tell us that Marathoner's allegiance--and thus PB's allegiance. And nabbing us a wolf, either now or down the road in Hades. And giving us a cleared villager.

If the Marathoner does not leave than we can probably figure PB is a cleared villager, and that the wolf Marathoner is in our midst, but not leaving, since then his role and identity would be revealed.

Further notes: Abe suggested even if we're winning the city, that we should abandon Athens and declare war on Sparta. The rules clearly state that would give the abandoned city to the wolves, so that is a wolf suggestion and makes Abe look pretty bad.

If PB is right that he was the lynch candidate, and he avoided the lynch by fleeing, than one of two things probably happens--one, no one is lynched, two, the second vote candidate gets lynched. If Poli was not #2 in votes (PB to confirm), then Poli has to have been night killed by the wolves (which doesn't clear him). He cannot have been duked--the duke (Ephor) was not yet elected there.

Chief Rum · 04-20-2009, 03:49 PM

The Marathoner fleeing would be the preferred way to determine PB's allegiance. This way we do not have to use a lynch on PB to prove his alelgiance.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 03:49 PM

Poli was not #2, I believe my vote and Heinz's put dubb at #2.

PurdueBrad · 04-20-2009, 03:49 PM

Big fan of CR right now.

04-20-2009, 02:20 PM	#202
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Sounds like Lathum. Cure Lathum in 3..2..1 __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

04-20-2009, 02:21 PM	#206
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Man, no one did that strategy quite like Blade. Insults inside of accusations of wolfdom. It was awesome in a nuclear war sort of way. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

04-20-2009, 02:25 PM	#215
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	wARRING THIS SOON DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

04-20-2009, 02:25 PM	#216
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Whoops, caps, sorry __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

04-20-2009, 02:37 PM	#229
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I wasn;t, cause I don;t remember Lathum ever saying it. I understand it in this case. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

04-20-2009, 02:19 PM	#201
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Agreed Abe, certainly could be, but I was railroaded by then. My guess from there is that saldana is definitely wolf and dubb might be. But he sprayed crap all day and hoped to make it stick. If he's a villager, horrible day one play because it caused a lot of distraction and got a villager sent here, if he's a wolf, good move I guess.

04-20-2009, 02:20 PM	#203
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Guess Schmidty won't need to worry about either his pro-Sparta(n) tendencies or his non-vote. Not a stunner on EF, just glad that it was a vanilla villager (assumption before going to look on Page 1) and not something like Historian.

04-20-2009, 02:21 PM	#204
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Look, I'll lay it out. I'm the marathon runner and there are only two. One is bad, one isn't. It makes sense to vote me, no frustration from me there. The fact that I put it out there in the other village should've helped them narrow their search, it didn't. Here, I don't have that kind of luck/value so I get it if you make a move on me.

04-20-2009, 02:21 PM	#207
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	The way I see it, we've got a couple of different ways to go here. One's to trust EF's logic and go with Abe, or we could go for the 50/50 shot in PB. Hate to do that if he's good, but really now, it's a coin toss on him. That way too, we'll find out quickly if the information he's giving us now is legit.

04-20-2009, 02:22 PM	#208
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	so PB, were you lynched or did you flee? Was Poli lynched or night killed?

04-20-2009, 02:24 PM	#211
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Yeah Abe, it's funny, having read previous games, that's what I was mildly reminded of. And frankly, I didn't argue well or even care to. His mind was made up, saldana immediately went with him and there the vote sat for four hours while everytime somebody popped in, dubb said: while you're here, vote pb, or the like. Heinz, if a wolf, played it well because he's got my trust for the game. He kept saying it doesn't look right. Dubbs final comment: It's too bad we have to wait until the end to find out he's wolf. Which, I'm not. There was a minor push for war over there (2 people I think).

04-20-2009, 02:24 PM	#212
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB, math certainly suggests that we do exactly that (take 50/50 shot) but there is no reason to start heading in that direction until everyone has reported back in the thread, see if there are night actions, etc.

04-20-2009, 02:24 PM	#213
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Lathum doesn't really do that, I would agree. The 50/50 shot makes sense. I am good, but you won't know. I fled apparently. Poli might be nightkill, didn't think of that.

04-20-2009, 02:25 PM	#214
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I have to ask myself why Schmidty? If I was a wolf I would want him around with the extra +1. Is it possible he is a wolf and the other wolves sent him down to Hades?

04-20-2009, 02:26 PM	#218
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Agreed Abe, most of us argued that it would be a fustercluck if we warred this soon.

04-20-2009, 02:29 PM	#221
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I guess for the wolves it would be a guaranteed kill because who would guard the no-show. Not sure though, if he's a wolf you could work around the +1 by vote coordination. If he's not, it's great to put extra pressure on a villager. Odd choice.

04-20-2009, 02:30 PM	#222
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	=Should say to get a wolf on the ground early in Hades

04-20-2009, 02:31 PM	#223
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Are the wolves even allowed to send one of their own down to Hades? I do not recall seeing that in the rules. Pass - were we supposed to learn about the allegiance of Schmidty? Or do we not learn that of the "night kills"?

04-20-2009, 02:31 PM	#224
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	We do not learn allegiances Hoops, from what I've picked up until their 'final' death.

04-20-2009, 02:33 PM	#225
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I wish I knew we wouldn't find out alligience upon night deaths. I swore I would never play in another non reveal game again

04-20-2009, 02:35 PM	#227
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Lathum, I was surprised to see you play once I learned that.

04-20-2009, 02:38 PM	#232
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	NM, we didn't think there were reveals upon death in Sparta. Maybe we were wrong. A few of us also misread the number of roles, thinking each city had a set.

04-20-2009, 02:41 PM	#234
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, well at the very least we have all of our roles remaining in the city.

04-20-2009, 02:55 PM	#237
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB, now that you get to read our thread - do you have any questions from Day 1?

04-20-2009, 03:02 PM	#239
MartinD High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: East Lothian, Scotland	Posting advance warning that I won't be around for most of tomorrow - will be checking in before I go to work (about 2am Eastern), and won't be able to get online until after tomorrow's deadline.

04-20-2009, 03:03 PM	#240
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	OK - THANKS __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

04-20-2009, 03:37 PM	#245
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Ideally for me, I was hoping to be given a 'fresh' start and basically treated like another WW'er, given the chance to prove myself through play. But I realistically know that isn't going to happen. A 50/50 shot on me is probably worth it. As for information, my second lynching, I believe, would be my last so you actually might get info. The problem is that it'll say I'm good, which doesn't help.

04-20-2009, 03:37 PM	#246
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	All the above refers to the fact that I'm the marathon, not that you're evil, unfair bastards.

04-20-2009, 03:47 PM	#247
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Athens Marathoner needs to leave for Sparta, right now if possible (not sure if it's an automatic flee, or if it's an action that only takes place at the deadline). Doing so will tell us that Marathoner's allegiance--and thus PB's allegiance. And nabbing us a wolf, either now or down the road in Hades. And giving us a cleared villager. If the Marathoner does not leave than we can probably figure PB is a cleared villager, and that the wolf Marathoner is in our midst, but not leaving, since then his role and identity would be revealed. Further notes: Abe suggested even if we're winning the city, that we should abandon Athens and declare war on Sparta. The rules clearly state that would give the abandoned city to the wolves, so that is a wolf suggestion and makes Abe look pretty bad. If PB is right that he was the lynch candidate, and he avoided the lynch by fleeing, than one of two things probably happens--one, no one is lynched, two, the second vote candidate gets lynched. If Poli was not #2 in votes (PB to confirm), then Poli has to have been night killed by the wolves (which doesn't clear him). He cannot have been duked--the duke (Ephor) was not yet elected there. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

04-20-2009, 03:49 PM	#248
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	The Marathoner fleeing would be the preferred way to determine PB's allegiance. This way we do not have to use a lynch on PB to prove his alelgiance. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

04-20-2009, 03:49 PM	#249
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Poli was not #2, I believe my vote and Heinz's put dubb at #2.

04-20-2009, 03:49 PM	#250
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Big fan of CR right now.

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