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EagleFan · 05-13-2009, 06:31 PM

That's definitely not how I usually see PB go down.

Hmm, that didn't sound as bad before I typed it.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:32 PM

Ok, so you feel Telle's posts and actions were trying to protect ntn, and you feel that it is more then just being against voting someone for being quiet?

I personally don't have a problem with voting quiet people out if no other options show up myself, just curious why specifically Telle when other people mentioned the same reservations about voting for ntn?

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:33 PM

Her Abe vote was about protecting ntn, her me vote pushed that agenda as well, I don't think anybody else did that twice.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Ok, so you feel Telle's posts and actions were trying to protect ntn, and you feel that it is more then just being against voting someone for being quiet?

I personally don't have a problem with voting quiet people out if no other options show up myself, just curious why specifically Telle when other people mentioned the same reservations about voting for ntn?

Was Abe quiet or was I?

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:35 PM

Sorry, misunderstood what you said, ignore above.

EagleFan · 05-13-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I think I disagree , since I have seen all kinds of methods wolves use to try to get out of lynch (over the top huffiness, silent reservation, misleading, faked reveal, etc).

I do appreciate PB's participating in this mini-discussion though. I notice Eaglefan sitting around watching without much thought. EF, what are your thoughts on PB since you have your vote on him. Why do you feel he is a good lynch choice?

Sorry, in and out of the room making chili. My vote is only there because it was there before the run. I have no feel that he is a wolf at this point to be honest. Usually he has claimed to be seer by now if he were a wolf.

I was hoping to be able to hop my vote around some more today (to play up the whole theme of the game a bit) but then it looked like I needed it as self defense.

I would not be against moving my vote but that wouldn't help me much at the moment, unless I move it to ntn as it will be a wash for me at that point.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:35 PM

Alan, ask yourself, on day 1 would you move to protect someone that is quiet when everything seems to be a shot in the dark anyway? Come on, I think you know better than that.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alan, ask yourself, on day 1 would you move to protect someone that is quiet when everything seems to be a shot in the dark anyway? Come on, I think you know better than that.

I'm just asking questions, I don't think you want to be snippy with me when I can easily vote you here

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:38 PM

And frankly, I can't get irritated about anything right now, Pens up 2-0.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm just asking questions, I don't think you want to be snippy with me when I can easily vote you here

I didn't think I was being snippy, my point was that I think you and I both know that that is a hell of an odd choice for someone and then to do it twice on day 1.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:39 PM

Oh, another reason I can't vote for EF: See my sig.

Passacaglia · 05-13-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm just asking questions, I don't think you want to be snippy with me when I can easily vote you here

He didn't really seem snippy to me. Why would you vote for someone for being snippy, anyway? I know we don't have much to go on during Day 1, but we're voting to catch wolves, not snippy people.

dubb93 · 05-13-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alan, ask yourself, on day 1 would you move to protect someone that is quiet when everything seems to be a shot in the dark anyway? Come on, I think you know better than that.

If you are so sure in the Telle - NtN thing why not answer your questions and move your vote to NtN. Not only does it give you insight into that dynamic it also serves to give you some breathing room.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I didn't think I was being snippy, my point was that I think you and I both know that that is a hell of an odd choice for someone and then to do it twice on day 1.

There were alot of things I found odd about people's votes today.

EagleFan · 05-13-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

And frankly, I can't get irritated about anything right now, Pens up 2-0.

By the look of you sig I guess I am happy about that too.

dubb93 · 05-13-2009, 06:40 PM

It just seems like it is going to be hard to get someone else to come in and save you when you seem to be phoning it in with a throwaway vote.

Poli · 05-13-2009, 06:41 PM

UNVOTE ABE
VOTE TELLE

I'm not in a PB happy camp after last camp, but I'm rushed and I think his thinking is just as good as anyone else's.

Poli · 05-13-2009, 06:42 PM

SONOFA
UNVOTE ABE
VOTE TELLE

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

If you are so sure in the Telle - NtN thing why not answer your questions and move your vote to NtN. Not only does it give you insight into that dynamic it also serves to give you some breathing room.

unvote Telle

vote ntn

Poli · 05-13-2009, 06:42 PM

Gotta go, I'm late for church, that by no means is a hit and run.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

He didn't really seem snippy to me. Why would you vote for someone for being snippy, anyway? I know we don't have much to go on during Day 1, but we're voting to catch wolves, not snippy people.

I think your definition of snippy is different then mine. He had been up till that point responding in a way that seemed at least somewhat realistic , which is different then how Eaglefan responded to the few questions I asked him (although EF said he was distracted I guess). Then PB turned to the "Come on you know better" arguement which never sits well with me. At least it isn't very conductive to discussion that was occurring. My point is I can instead of trying to spend time and getting a feel for which way I want to vote, to just vote for him and get it over with. (Since even though he is leading by one vote right now, it is essentially tied since he can move his vote at will)

Poli · 05-13-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

unvote Telle

vote ntn

Why you son of a.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:42 PM

Okay, I'm between those two. If you guys go Telle, I'm going there. If it stays ntn, I'm going there. Poli, thanks.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:45 PM

Poli, sorry. That is my preference, although frankly for my reasoning one is likely as good as the other.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:45 PM

*as good a choice as the other that is

dubb93 · 05-13-2009, 06:46 PM

Now we have a tie?

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Poli, sorry. That is my preference, although frankly for my reasoning one is likely as good as the other.

I guess that is what I was asking earlier.. you said your vote was on Telle instead of ntn because of the telle - ntn factor. If that was the case, why keep it on telle and not just move it to ntn. I did not get that. It felt more to me that you were doing two things.. 1) Trying to keep options open and 2) keep ntn's vote count lower in order to attract more votes to him. (People are more likely to tie it up then to vote someone ahead in those cases)

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Now we have a tie?

Yes, 5-5

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:47 PM

I think ntn might be up by 1. I'll make it a tie by voting what Ibelieve since Poli stood by me:

unvote ntn

vote telle

Passacaglia · 05-13-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I think your definition of snippy is different then mine. He had been up till that point responding in a way that seemed at least somewhat realistic , which is different then how Eaglefan responded to the few questions I asked him (although EF said he was distracted I guess). Then PB turned to the "Come on you know better" arguement which never sits well with me. At least it isn't very conductive to discussion that was occurring. My point is I can instead of trying to spend time and getting a feel for which way I want to vote, to just vote for him and get it over with. (Since even though he is leading by one vote right now, it is essentially tied since he can move his vote at will)

I hear you on that -- although I think that kind of talk happens by many on here. Your post just came off like "be nice to me or I'll vote you"

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:48 PM

Ah, no biggie, just saw that that put me up by 1. If I'm going down in this one, I'll go down with what I believe, right or wrong. Thanks Poli, and I do mean that.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Ah, no biggie, just saw that that put me up by 1. If I'm going down in this one, I'll go down with what I believe, right or wrong. Thanks Poli, and I do mean that.

I still don't get this. If you believe ntn and Telle are conspiring together, you are going to go down to a lynch by not voting ntn??

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

My point is I can instead of trying to spend time and getting a feel for which way I want to vote, to just vote for him and get it over with. (Since even though he is leading by one vote right now, it is essentially tied since he can move his vote at will)

And that's the other reason I pulled the self-defense vote off. That was meant more as I believe that Alan is intelligent and would likely see it the same way as me. But if I wasn't nice, then I deserve to be voted for and the time shouldn't be wasted on getting my side.

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I hear you on that -- although I think that kind of talk happens by many on here. Your post just came off like "be nice to me or I'll vote you"

Oh I'm not afraid to use a be nice to me or I'll vote you.. but I'm trying to play differently because of out of game reasons (imo) now. So instead of just assuming I know best, I guess I'm trying to actually understand reasoning.

In the following cases:

PB - I don't understand his reason for telle over ntn
EF - Seems like he doesn't have a good reason other than it is not him
NTN - didn't really say much other than don't vote for him.

So it is a struggle

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alan is intelligent

Sure.. butter me up. Wolves NEVER do that!

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:52 PM

Alan, I read your comment the same way Pass did. So maybe it's my misunderstanding.

EagleFan · 05-13-2009, 06:52 PM

Is suicidal one of the hidden roles?

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:53 PM

Ha, not here if it is. Although I guess my win condition would be dying!

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:53 PM

For the record, this 8pm deadline is horrible!

My daughter has to go to bed in a minute, and I'm still undecided. Once I leave, I likely won't get back before the deadline.. so guess I need to decide.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:54 PM

At least deadline is between periods.

EagleFan · 05-13-2009, 06:54 PM

I am confused by one thing PB. If you feel there is a Telle/ntn connection why not go after the one of those two that will help get your tail out of the fire?

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:55 PM

Will I probably switch, yeah, but I have a stronger feeling of Telle's play than ntn's. The dynamic between the two was much more her and may have been to garner trust. So it's going to be interesting if my desire to stick with what I believe or self-preservation wins out here.

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:56 PM

*Garner his trust, that is.

Passacaglia · 05-13-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

For the record, this 8pm deadline is horrible!

My daughter has to go to bed in a minute, and I'm still undecided. Once I leave, I likely won't get back before the deadline.. so guess I need to decide.

Well since you only have 7 to decide, it's not a big deal!

ntndeacon · 05-13-2009, 06:56 PM

Although I am glad someone was in my corner before Icould be. If Telle is a needie, then she is using my soon to be discovered innocence to enhance her reputation.

Danny · 05-13-2009, 06:57 PM

As of post 606:

1 - Abe - Poli (252)
1 - Passacaglia - Lerriuqs (253)
1 - dubb - saldana (304)
4 - EagleFan - hoopsguy (328), Lathum (396), dubb (416), Chief Rum (605)
5 - PurdueBrad - The Jackel (329), EagleFan (452), Telle (575), Martin D (595), NTNDeacon (603)
1 - PackerFanatic - claphasma (335)
4- ntndeacon - PackerFanatic (374), Barkeep (420), Abe (425), Pass (532)
3 - Telle - Autumn (604), Poli (668), PurdueBrad (679)

The Jackal · 05-13-2009, 06:57 PM

Wow, quite the run on PB - quick updated vote count?

The Jackal · 05-13-2009, 06:57 PM

way to be, danny

Alan T · 05-13-2009, 06:58 PM

ok, I guess I'll bite the bullet and see if there is anything about ntn. I'll not vote PB primarily because he was willing to at least discuss things with me. I considered voting EF, but with the way the votes currently are, this seems the better choice.

Vote ntndeacon

PurdueBrad · 05-13-2009, 06:58 PM

ntn, if I have to switch to you for self-defense AND you're good, then I am sorry.

05-13-2009, 06:32 PM	#652
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Ok, so you feel Telle's posts and actions were trying to protect ntn, and you feel that it is more then just being against voting someone for being quiet? I personally don't have a problem with voting quiet people out if no other options show up myself, just curious why specifically Telle when other people mentioned the same reservations about voting for ntn? __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

05-13-2009, 06:41 PM	#667
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	UNVOTE ABE VOTE TELLE I'm not in a PB happy camp after last camp, but I'm rushed and I think his thinking is just as good as anyone else's. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-13-2009, 06:42 PM	#668
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	SONOFA UNVOTE ABE VOTE TELLE __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-13-2009, 06:42 PM	#670
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Gotta go, I'm late for church, that by no means is a hit and run. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-13-2009, 06:53 PM	#689
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	For the record, this 8pm deadline is horrible! My daughter has to go to bed in a minute, and I'm still undecided. Once I leave, I likely won't get back before the deadline.. so guess I need to decide. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

05-13-2009, 06:31 PM	#651
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	That's definitely not how I usually see PB go down. Hmm, that didn't sound as bad before I typed it.

05-13-2009, 06:40 PM	#666
dubb93 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004	It just seems like it is going to be hard to get someone else to come in and save you when you seem to be phoning it in with a throwaway vote.

05-13-2009, 06:46 PM	#676
dubb93 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004	Now we have a tie?

05-13-2009, 06:52 PM	#687
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Is suicidal one of the hidden roles?

05-13-2009, 06:54 PM	#691
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I am confused by one thing PB. If you feel there is a Telle/ntn connection why not go after the one of those two that will help get your tail out of the fire?

05-13-2009, 06:56 PM	#695
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Although I am glad someone was in my corner before Icould be. If Telle is a needie, then she is using my soon to be discovered innocence to enhance her reputation.

05-13-2009, 06:57 PM	#696
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	As of post 606: 1 - Abe - Poli (252) 1 - Passacaglia - Lerriuqs (253) 1 - dubb - saldana (304) 4 - EagleFan - hoopsguy (328), Lathum (396), dubb (416), Chief Rum (605) 5 - PurdueBrad - The Jackel (329), EagleFan (452), Telle (575), Martin D (595), NTNDeacon (603) 1 - PackerFanatic - claphasma (335) 4- ntndeacon - PackerFanatic (374), Barkeep (420), Abe (425), Pass (532) 3 - Telle - Autumn (604), Poli (668), PurdueBrad (679)

05-13-2009, 06:57 PM	#697
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Wow, quite the run on PB - quick updated vote count?

05-13-2009, 06:57 PM	#698
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	way to be, danny

05-13-2009, 06:58 PM	#699
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	ok, I guess I'll bite the bullet and see if there is anything about ntn. I'll not vote PB primarily because he was willing to at least discuss things with me. I considered voting EF, but with the way the votes currently are, this seems the better choice. Vote ntndeacon __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

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