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Old 07-17-2020, 01:47 PM   #1
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The COVID-19 thread (the political version)

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Old 07-17-2020, 01:50 PM   #2
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:00 PM   #3
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So this mask thing is absurd. The state of fucking ALABAMA has a mask ordinance, but our idiot governor in Georgia is suing individual cities and counties for their mask ordinances. All the while saying people should wear masks and he thinks they will... Like I get not having a state wide ordinance if you think some rural areas may not need them, but why can't cities like Atlanta which are hitting ICU limits take extra precautions?
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:08 PM   #4
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Might as well merge 'em, 'cause it's all political.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:10 PM   #5
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Might as well merge 'em, 'cause it's all political.

We hardly agree, but 100% with you on this one.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:10 PM   #6
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I was going to point out that it's kindof comical to even call it the Wuhan Coronavirus thread at this point

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Old 07-17-2020, 02:17 PM   #7
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I was going to point out that it's kindof comical to even call it the Wuhan Coronavirus thread at this point

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That in itself can be construed as political, which negated the prime directive of the other thread right off the bat.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:18 PM   #8
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:20 PM   #9
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I was going to point out that it's kind of comical to even call it the Wuhan Coronavirus thread at this point

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Let's build a wall around the virus and make the virus pay for it!

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My sources tell me that the virus doesn't have a valid US birth certificate and actually came from outside the United States.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:40 PM   #11
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So I do remember some conversation that the current COVID-19 in the US is more due to mutations of the original COVID-19 in Italy which came into NYC. I'm not sure how accurate that is though - although the virus which came into NYC was from Europe rather than China.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:41 PM   #12
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Might as well merge 'em, 'cause it's all political.

exactly.

People also complained there were already too many Covid threads.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:42 PM   #13
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So I do remember some conversation that the current COVID-19 in the US is more due to mutations of the original COVID-19 in Italy which came into NYC. I'm not sure how accurate that is though - although the virus which came into NYC was from Europe rather than China.

Wrong thread.

This one if for political commentary.

You want to talk epidemiology you have to start a new thread on the topic.

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Old 07-17-2020, 02:45 PM   #14
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You are right, I'll change it. What do you want to call it?

I dunno. Maybe just the "The COVID-19 thread"? The other one already has the name and the no politics label.

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Old 07-17-2020, 02:46 PM   #15
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Wrong thread.

This one if for political commentary also.

You want to talk epidemiology you have to start a new thread on the topic.

The Dr. Fauci Epidemiology thread.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:51 PM   #16
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The Dr. Fauci Epidemiology thread.

Good idea. But you’re only allowed to discuss the disease, not the credibility of Fauci. That one will have to go in a newly created thread about the merits of wearing a mask.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:53 PM   #17
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I dunno. Maybe just the "The COVID-19 thread"? The other one already has the name and the no politics label.

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Done.
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Old 07-17-2020, 02:53 PM   #18
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So Georgia has been on CNN a bunch today (no surprised, the HQ is in GA), but I really hate my state being a worldwide laughing stock due to our idiot Governor. I hear people are researching recall provisions.
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Old 07-17-2020, 03:03 PM   #19
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...f38_story.html

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The Post-ABC poll shows 38 percent of Americans approve of his handling of the outbreak, down from 46 percent in May and 51 percent in March. Sixty percent disapprove, up from 53 percent in May and 45 percent in March.

More than half of the public — 52 percent — now disapproves “strongly” of Trump’s handling of the outbreak, roughly double the percentage who say they strongly approve of his efforts and an increase from 36 percent in strong disapproval since March.

Who are these 38%?
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Old 07-17-2020, 03:07 PM   #20
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The ones who think it's a hoax

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Old 07-17-2020, 03:16 PM   #21
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The Governor of Florida is reopening gyms because (and I shit you not):

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https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...e9e6b665a2106e

He's trying to outdumb Kemp..
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Old 07-17-2020, 03:20 PM   #22
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It's part "hoax" people, but it's also the "I have to support Trump because Dems are evil even though I'll privately admit this hasn't gone well" people, plus the "media and certain state officials are making it look worse than it really is because the end goal is to vote Trump out" people.

Meanwhile, it's pretty obvious that Trump and his biggest supporters/enablers have been their own worst enemy.
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Old 07-17-2020, 03:28 PM   #23
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It's part "hoax" people, but it's also the "I have to support Trump because Dems are evil even though I'll privately admit this hasn't gone well" people, plus the "media and certain state officials are making it look worse than it really is because the end goal is to vote Trump out" people.

And apparently all of these people post on Facebook.
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Old 07-17-2020, 03:47 PM   #24
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He's trying to outdumb Kemp..

Leave Brian be. He so rarely gets anything right, let me have the one time he managed to hit the stopped clock exception.
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Old 07-17-2020, 04:01 PM   #26
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Who are these 38%?

I saw a guy post someplace else yesterday that Trump is kicking China's ass. He's also anti-mask and believes Covid is just the flu so I'm sure he's part of the 38% and gives you an idea of what we're working with here.

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Old 07-17-2020, 04:47 PM   #27
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Comforting to think that lots of the same folks that can't be bothered to wear a mask are the same folks that will prevent us from ever moving an inch on gun control.
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Old 07-17-2020, 04:48 PM   #28
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A former HS teacher of mine likes to post on current and past numbers without giving any chance that cases/hospitalizations/deaths will continue to go up. It started months ago with number of total deaths and moved to cases outside of NY and has now moved to average deaths per day over the past 120 days in TX compared to the worst flu season in the past ten years.
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Old 07-17-2020, 05:39 PM   #29
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Companies are selling, and people are buying, mesh masks which are intended to comply with local requirements, but have the special desired, and intended, feature of not actually having any ability to protect you from anything.

Anti-mask protesters' new weapon: wearing masks that offer no COVID-19 protection | wthr.com

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Old 07-17-2020, 06:32 PM   #30
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The Governor of Florida is reopening gyms because (and I shit you not):



https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...e9e6b665a2106e

He's trying to outdumb Kemp..

A buddy has already shut his gym down twice since the middle of May when he re-opened.
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Georgia Massaged Virus Data to Reopen, Then Voided Mask Orders


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But the same week Kemp ordered the reopening, his administration began presenting data in a way that made the state appear healthier than it was, said Thomas Tsai, a professor at Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

The technique involved backdating new cases to the time of first symptoms or taking a test, instead of reporting them as they were reported to the state, like Georgia had previously done -- and like most states do.

The effect -- as states were being told to predicate their reopenings on two weeks of declining case numbers -- was to artificially make Georgia’s trends look better. The state began adding new cases to past dates on its trend line, making current numbers both too low and incomplete, Tsai said.

“What’s deceptive is that they shave off the most recent two weeks,” he said. “If you look at the most recent two weeks, it’s always very low. It always looks artificially like a downward trend.”
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Old 07-18-2020, 01:18 PM   #32
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I am not surprised at all. Kemp wanted to open at all costs.

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Just stunningly evil and shows the whole if we stop testing thing was in no way a joke.

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Old 07-18-2020, 07:43 PM   #35
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I told you that some people are rooting for the virus. Maybe Kemp has shares in Gilead.
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Old 07-18-2020, 08:11 PM   #36
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:12 PM   #37
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The administration’s posture has angered some GOP senators, the officials said, and some lawmakers are trying to push back and ensure that the money stays in the bill. The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to reveal confidential deliberations, cautioned that the talks were fluid and the numbers were in flux.

It really doesn't mean anything unless they publicly dissent. Of course Trump reeeeeealy wants another payment to help his election chances so they could dangle that in front of him.
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Ok, honest question. I'm pretty sure there's a pretty decent amount of crossover between "college football is a religion" folks and "COVID-19 is overblown and a scare tactic to bring down the President" folks. With the head of the SEC (the conference not the Securites and Exchange Committee) saying things are "going the wrong way" to have fall sports, if there's no college football this fall, do you think that will be enough to break through to the "38 percent"?

Honestly, I'm not sure I want the answer.
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Ok, honest question. I'm pretty sure there's a pretty decent amount of crossover between "college football is a religion" folks and "COVID-19 is overblown and a scare tactic to bring down the President" folks. With the head of the SEC (the conference not the Securites and Exchange Committee) saying things are "going the wrong way" to have fall sports, if there's no college football this fall, do you think that will be enough to break through to the "38 percent"?

Honestly, I'm not sure I want the answer.

Thre cult comparison is anything but fresh, but I was watching a Jonestown documentary recently and it stuck with me how one of the most published and hyped family of defectors had only left the cult when they witnessed Jim Jones personally beat their child, with over 50 blows. That incident didn't cause anybody else to leave though, and had it not been their child that Jones beat on that day then they would have gladly stuck around and drank the kool-aid with everybody.

...point being that I think that similarly, the great majority of Trump's base has proven that they or someone in their immediate family will have to come to serious harm before they will shift their thinking. Not to be too morbid, but I guess if significant coaches & players started dying or getting crippled due to covid, then that crowd might start to reconsider some things. Unless that happens I think a canceled season would largely just be blamed on the same over-reaction & handful of boogeymen.
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It's all about who they blame for it. The conspiracy theories will continue and there's never any shortage of others to blame if you are bound and determined to do so. Some continue to fall away as Trump's support erodes further, but most find a different target.
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Ok, honest question. I'm pretty sure there's a pretty decent amount of crossover between "college football is a religion" folks and "COVID-19 is overblown and a scare tactic to bring down the President" folks. With the head of the SEC (the conference not the Securites and Exchange Committee) saying things are "going the wrong way" to have fall sports, if there's no college football this fall, do you think that will be enough to break through to the "38 percent"?

Honestly, I'm not sure I want the answer.

It won't break a thing. They will blame the head of the SEC, school admins, etc...for caving to the liberal media and snowflakes. It won't help that guys like Kemp will be screaming about how we have to get back to normal. They will yell about healthy 20 year old athletes won't die from it, etc....
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I don't think that Trump is pro-virus.

I think that he is anti-anti-virus if that makes sense?

It makes sense in my head.
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And the Dems need to play hardball in this bill.

Right now, the GOP will continue putting enough money into the economy to keep it from totally crashing. But if Biden becomes President and the GOP keeps the Senate? Then the spigot stops.

The Dems would be foolish to sign any bill that does not come with automatic stabilizers--the money keeps flowing as long as unemployment, etc. stays in the red.

I mean, the Dems are foolish. So they will. But they shouldn't.

And if the GOP does not play along. OK, then. No bill.

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I don't think that Trump is pro-virus.

I think that he is anti-anti-virus if that makes sense?

It makes sense in my head.

It makes perfect sense. He can't have people like Fauci out there talking about all the negative aspects. He needs to try and prop up the notion that everything is OK.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...98&no_nav=true

This is terrible. I can't get over the selfishness of people who refuse to wear masks when business owners do all they can. The guy running in and yelling ADA while ignoring signs? What a terrible person.
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This is terrible. I can't get over the selfishness of people who refuse to wear masks when business owners do all they can. The guy running in and yelling ADA while ignoring signs? What a terrible person.

It kind of fits that MAGA worldview, though, that all these other people just get special treatment by existing. Black people get free college. Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes. Poor people get free health care. Women get believed. Disabled people can do whatever they want. Non-Christians get to practice their religion more freely than Christians.

So they really do think that "the ADA" is just one of those "liberal things" that people invoke when they want to do whatever they want.

It doesn't make it right. But I think that it's more based in simple ignorance than malice. They think that they are persecuted, so they are trying to fight against that. If they were less naive, they'd probably act more reasonable.
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Old 07-20-2020, 03:36 PM   #48
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This is pretty excellent (blends COVID and baseball):

https://twitter.com/dougherty_jesse/...08430408916992

I'm going to assume that some in the WH aren't going to be too happy about this.
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This is pretty excellent (blends COVID and baseball):

For some reason I thought this was about the announcement of a new sport.
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