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Old 12-06-2017, 01:40 PM   #451
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FOFC Bay Harbor Memorial - Final Round

Update 13


Hole 18

Hays (-1) - textbook par - even on the back, 1 over for the day, and 1 under for the tournament
Courtney (-3) - Confident putt drops from 16 feet for birdie (-4) - Courtney managed to get 2 under for the round and 4 under overall.


Hole 17

Sherman (-2) - approach finds the bunker and Sherman drops a shot when he can't get up and down (-1)
Palmer (-2) - solid par


Hole 16

Whitaker (-4) - scramble saves par
Porter (-5) - birdie putt doesn't scare the hole


Hole 15

Justyce (-4) - birdie putt is a little to firm, a little less aggressive with the putter and that ball probably drops for birdie
Goodwin (-5) - solid par


Hole 14

O'Peake (-5) - takes advantage of the easy pin placement to birdie (-6)
Koekela (-6) - scratched out a par


Hole 13

Dawson (-7) - solid par
Bly (-11) - solid par

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Old 12-06-2017, 01:46 PM   #452
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FOFC Bay Harbor Memorial - Final Round

Update 14


Hole 18

Sherman (-1) - textbook par - finished 1 under after a final round of 2 over 74
Palmer (-2) - textbook par - also a final round of 2 over and Palmer finishes -2 for the tournament


Hole 17

Whitaker (-4) - textbook par
Porter (-5) - solid par


Hole 16

Justyce (-4) - solid par
Goodwin (-5) - solid par


Hole 15

O'Peake (-6) - solid par
Koekela (-6) - aggressive shot ends up shortside with no room to pitch (-5)


Hole 14

Dawson (-7) - solid par
Bly (-11) - solid par

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Old 12-06-2017, 02:34 PM   #453
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Code:
Jason Bly -11 14 -2 Chucky Dawson -7 14 -2 Ches O Peake -6 15 -1 Jesse Porter -5 17 -1 Archie Goodwin -5 16 E Saku Koekela -5 15 E Des Courtney -4 F -2 Wade Whitaker -4 17 E Frank Justyce -4 16 E Deacon Palmer -2 F +2 Clinton Jones -2 F -2 Barrett Hays -1 F +1 Walter Sherman -1 F +2 Benton Frazier E F +1 Serge Storms +1 F E Dickie Bennett +1 F E Rob Nielsen +1 F +2 Ray Vecchio +2 F +1 Colton Rhodes +3 F +4 Will Brown +3 F +2

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Old 12-06-2017, 02:39 PM   #454
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FOFC Bay Harbor Memorial - Final Round

Update 15


Hole 18

Whitaker (-4) - birdie putt is a few rotations short of the hole - shoots a 72 round and finishes at 4 under
Porter (-5) - long straight drives sets up the hole nicely - birdie (-6) - Porter goes 2 under on the day to finish 6 under for the tournament


Hole 17

Justyce (-4) - solid par
Goodwin (-5) - textbook par


Hole 16

O'Peake (-6) - solid par
Koekela (-5) - solid par


Hole 15

Dawson (-7) - solid par
Bly (-11) - solid par
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:46 PM   #455
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FOFC Bay Harbor Memorial - Final Round

Update 16


Hole 18

Justyce (-4) - drops the birdie putt with a beautiful roll from 16 feet (-5) - finishes 5 under and 1 under for the day
Goodwin (-5) - solid par - even par on the day...


Hole 17

O'Peake (-6) - solid par
Koekela (-5) - consistent play creates a birdie (-6)


Hole 16

Dawson (-7) - solid par
Bly (-11) - solid par
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:48 PM   #456
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Jason Bly -11 16 -2 Chucky Dawson -7 16 -2 Jesse Porter -6 F -2 Ches O Peake -6 17 -1 Saku Koekela -6 17 -1 Archie Goodwin -5 F E Frank Justyce -5 F -1 Des Courtney -4 F -2 Wade Whitaker -4 F E Deacon Palmer -2 F +2 Clinton Jones -2 F -2 Barrett Hays -1 F +1 Walter Sherman -1 F +2 Benton Frazier E F +1 Serge Storms +1 F E Dickie Bennett +1 F E Rob Nielsen +1 F +2 Ray Vecchio +2 F +1 Colton Rhodes +3 F +4 Will Brown +3 F +2
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:51 PM   #457
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FOFC Bay Harbor Memorial - Final Round

Update 18


Hole 18

Dawson (-7) - in trouble off the tee and can't scramble to save par (-6) - 1 under for the day and 6 under overall
Bly (-10) - solid par to close the round and the win...shoots 1 under and finishes at 10 under.

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Old 12-06-2017, 03:01 PM   #458
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Code:
Jason Bly -10 $300,000 Chucky Dawson -6 $106,250 Jesse Porter -6 $106,250 Ches O Peake -6 $106,250 Saku Koekela -6 $106,250 Archie Goodwin -5 $48,750 Frank Justyce -5 $48,750 Des Courtney -4 $43,750 Wade Whitaker -4 $43,750 Deacon Palmer -2 $37,500 Clinton Jones -2 $37,500 Barrett Hays -1 $27,500 Walter Sherman -1 $27,500 Benton Frazier E $20,000 Serge Storms +1 $15,000 Dickie Bennett +1 $15,000 Rob Nielsen +1 $15,000 Ray Vecchio +2 $10,000 Colton Rhodes +3 $6,500 Will Brown +3 $6,500
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:23 PM   #459
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General Discussion

We have now completed 4 tournaments so we are 20% of the way through the season with the next tournament the first Major. Before I go any further I'd like to pause for a minute to see if anyone has any questions, comments, or suggestions.

I'm looking for some feedback here. Because this game is my own invention I realize you guys have no familiarity with it so I want to be as open as I can without giving away too much. Also, there are no default presentations or reports, so what I post is just how I've decided to do it. I'm open to any comments. I want to make this as interesting as I can so please feel free to chime in...

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Old 12-06-2017, 09:54 PM   #460
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Unrelated to your request for feedback, let me give you a heads up that Don Jaily has decided to take at least a week off from the Tour & go on vacation.
(OOC: I'm leaving for Disney on Saturday, gone til late Friday)

By way of feedback, honestly, I feel pretty much disconnected from my character & have little idea wth is going on. Everything feels very, I dunno, like we're just throwing darts in the dark. Probably just me but I think the "not giving away too much" aspect might be skewed too far toward keeping the players in the dark.

I appreciate the effort, and Lord knows I'm not intending to bust your chops here at all, but that's my honest take.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:01 PM   #461
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By way of feedback, honestly, I feel pretty much disconnected from my character & have little idea wth is going on. Everything feels very, I dunno, like we're just throwing darts in the dark. Probably just me but I think the "not giving away too much" aspect might be skewed too far toward keeping the players in the dark.

Agreed. I think additional hints/clues on any critical shots would allow us to make any adjustments between rounds beyond the typical "Same as last round" response you've been getting. I do see some of those hints in your reports, but I think there might need to be a little more. Maybe put it in bold or italics, to catch the reader's attention.

Same with training sessions. Any key hints on how a golfer is progressing on a certain training aspect can help if we should lay off on training for a bit or maybe put a little more focus on it the next week. Even some game-time hints on what the golfer should probably train for next week ("Fujita looks a little rusty with his pitching wedge today").

I see a lot of potential in this dynasty. But there might just be too much to maintain. Reducing the speed of play from a round-a-day might help alleviate the workload.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:43 AM   #462
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Unrelated to your request for feedback, let me give you a heads up that Don Jaily has decided to take at least a week off from the Tour & go on vacation.
(OOC: I'm leaving for Disney on Saturday, gone til late Friday)

By way of feedback, honestly, I feel pretty much disconnected from my character & have little idea wth is going on. Everything feels very, I dunno, like we're just throwing darts in the dark. Probably just me but I think the "not giving away too much" aspect might be skewed too far toward keeping the players in the dark.

I appreciate the effort, and Lord knows I'm not intending to bust your chops here at all, but that's my honest take.

Jon, I can play Jaily with you standard instructions if you'd like. I can treat him just like the NPCs but leave the settings you have in place.
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:36 AM   #463
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I'm enjoying it, but part of that is also due to the way the rounds are run. The pacing is good, but I have to think that the time commitment on your end is substantial. It's possible that you may need to standardize, slim down the options for training and for course instructions in order to make it easier on you and the players. You know I've been asking questions. At least we're all in the dark and nobody has 'gamed' the game yet. lol

FTR, I'm having more success by giving hole by hole instructions rather than blanket ones. Setting up round 1 is the longest, the rest sort of takes care of itself.

It's a fun concept and that you've developed it yourself is pretty cool.
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:40 AM   #464
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Thanks for the input guys. I was afraid that things were a bit too abstract.

I must admit, I’ve been very pleased with the way the game is playing. The 4 tournaments have gone well, as we’ve had some rounds as low as 66 and as high as 78 with most hanging around par. I haven’t checked the last course yet but the other 3 were played slightly below par for all golfers, which is a pretty good spot. Training is going pretty well too, I’m not having any unusual outcomes, which is a relief. However, I obviously need to fill you guys in some more on how this game works.

To begin, it is important to understand your skills and attributes are BY FAR the most important thing in determining how you are going to score. The higher you are in your skills/attributes the better your chance to do well. Almost every birdie opportunity and par save references a skill or skills, attribute or attributes, or combination of the two. SOP and pin difficulty are about equal in their impact on the outcomes on a round. However, each course is different, and the impact of SOP, PIN, SKILLS and ATTRIBUTES is different each time, in fact, it is different hole to hole (and I do expect you’ll start to see more of an impact for SOP moving forward).

In the write ups of the courses, there are clues in the course descriptions that can be interpreted to determine what skills might be checked or what SOP might seem appropriate. For instance:

From the course we just finished:

Hole 1 : Par 4, 471 Yards
This par 4 has a big fairway allowing players to take a rip early. Players can get in trouble off the tee if they leave the ball right and find the scrub palm areas, but a long drive sets up an open approach. The green is large with subtle breaks but most players will be thinking about an early birdie to start the round.

Here the Big Fairway comment indicates DA probably isn’t all that important and DL is going to be looked at instead. Trouble leaving the ball right – probably CM – knowing how to avoid the trouble. Getting into the scrub palms probably requires scrambling. Subtle breaks mean PA is likely. Moreover, the take a rip piece might be a good indication this hole is one that an aggressive SOP on the tee is a good plan.

Let’s take a second to look at the first hole at the Augusta National Major for our next tournament…
It’s a pretty straightforward hole. It’s a driver, some of the longer guys may hit a 3-wood. Ideally, you want to aim something down that left-center (DA or CM or both?) and hit a nice little power fade and try to keep it out of that bunker on the right-hand side. You can get away with it from that bunker sometimes, but it is a pretty big lip and can be a tough spot (SP). Depending on the conditions, you can have anything from 4-iron (LI) to an 8- or 9-iron (SI). The green slopes pretty much back-to-front, there’s a little tier in the middle-right section. It’s one of the more underrated, difficult greens (PA & PS) out there. You can have putts with 7 to 8 feet of break. It’s such a tough green, especially the front 1/3 of it. If you’re hitting something shorter and you have any spin, and you land it on the front third, it’s coming off quite a bit, to a spot that’s not the easiest up-and-down (SG). If you miss it left to a back-left pin, you’re completely dead and happy to make a bogey.

This should give you an idea of how to determine what is being checked on a given hole.

Now, what to do once you have a feeling on how that hole will play.

SOP is the only aspect you can adjust while you are in a tournament, and it does play a role. In fact, I recall it impacting 1 round for a player by 3 shots – so far from insignificant. As you probably already expect Aggressive will get you more birdies but also potentially lead to more bogeys (I believe there were several aggressive bogeys in the last round of the FOFC Bay Harbor Memorial you can use as a reference). Normal plays the hole straight up, and conservative may cost you some birdie opportunities, but it can also keep you from bogey or worse. The biggest key is probably - you really shouldn’t be aggressive with something you aren’t good at. For example, if your SG is poor, aggressive SOP for short game is probably going to get you in more trouble than it will help. Also, some holes that have a lot of trouble on them can be played more conservatively, basically surrendering the birdie early but by playing shorter off the tee and to the middle of the green you also pretty much eliminate bogey. The inverse of that is also true, holes with very little trouble listed or ones that say something to the effect of “aggressive players can be rewarded”, “inviting players to take a rip”, or “the fairway is wide open”, can be read as invitations to increase to a more aggressive SOP. The trick here is knowing when to be aggressive and when to back off. With this knowledge I expect we will start to see SOP become more of a factor moving forward.

Also keep in mind – you can absolutely set your SOP perfectly on every hole and still perform poorly, as the outcome is so heavily determined by which of your skills/attributes are checked. Let me take a second to explain how the holes work. Each hole is broken down for difficulty (and that is determined based on the actual scoring average of the hole on tour). The tougher the hole the fewer the opportunities for birdie and/or the tougher the skill/attribute check. Let’s say an average hole has about 1/3 chance of birdie and bogey and 2/3 chance of par with birdie and bogey for the most part equally balanced, and the odds of birdie going down on tougher holes and up on easier ones.

Training is a little more complex which will make explaining it more difficult, but we’ll give it a try. Everything your character does in training and while playing has an impact on your skills/attributes, and the most important aspect of training is maximizing your hours. By doing so you will have more time to spread around which potentially increase your improvement results more rapidly. Also, if you think about the training hours you provide me…Driving, Ball Striking, Short Game, Putting, and specific hours for each of the skills – all of these are geared toward the skill side of you character, that means that the attributes are trained through the other aspects – in other words – rounds of play. So playing practice rounds, gambling, and tournament rounds are what improve your attributes, but not every round is created equally, obviously playing on the weekend is more stressful than the opening round so some skills are more impacted by the appearance on a Saturday and Sunday. Also, if you miss the cut, you need to make sure to get rounds in training that week to offset the lack of play from the 2 rounds you were cut from participating in.

As for your skill/attribute scores – the numbers you provided me were the base scores. From there training occurs each week and you get a post training score, which takes your training score for that week and adds it to your base. However, the total added can vary from week to week even if the hours trained does not. For instance, you may train 4 hours total in DA every week…and one week get 4 points added to your total and the next week get 0 points. That is simply an indication of how well you practiced, not that you have your hours allocated incorrectly. Training or lack of training depending on the hours allotted can adjust your skills -10 to +10. At the conclusion of the week, your trained totals are added to a skills/attribute pool and then they impact the overall score which becomes your new base moving forward. So with training you can disperse your hours across all of your skills evenly, which will typically prevent any drops in base score but the climb will be slower, or you can identify a skill you want to increase, disperse enough to prevent your skills from declining too much and focus hard on a skill or two that you want to improve. As far as the total number of hours you should train, keep in mind in this game golf is your occupation not a weekend hobby, you should be training like it is your job. Also, as far as burnout goes – there are 3 different areas where burnout can get you. However, if you get burnout – the course write ups should make it very obvious (and your skill/attribute scores inexplicably dropping should clue you in too). That leads me to:

I believe that by simply posting the scores from the first two rounds rather than the results is causing a huge disconnect. As you’ve noticed the results write ups will provide some clues as to the skills/attributes, PIN, and or SOP that might come into play on that hole. Therefore, moving forward I will post hole by hole results for all of the FOFC players (I won’t do the NPCs in the interest of time and effort). This should allow you to make assumptions on changes in SOP that could be beneficial in the upcoming rounds.

I hope this helped some. I’m pretty sure it probably also prompted some additional questions, so please feel free to ask away. At this point I’ve outlined what I can think is important, but I have the game in front of me so it’s possible I’m overlooking something that from your perspective would be beneficial to know. Don’t hesitate to ask, I want you guys to enjoy this.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:53 PM   #465
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Jon, I can play Jaily with you standard instructions if you'd like. I can treat him just like the NPCs but leave the settings you have in place.

That also works
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:16 AM   #466
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Ok, I guess there weren't any additional questions. So we will start the week for our first major. We will be going a good bit slower now so I can provide more feedback.

To begin, I'll need your training instructions for this week.
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Old 12-11-2017, 09:03 AM   #467
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Jimmy Fujita's Training:

General Skills
Driving - 2
Ball Striking
Short Game - 2
Putting

Specific Skills
Drive Length
Drive Accuracy
Long Iron - 1
Short Iron - 1
Short Game
Sand Play
Putting Accuracy - 1
Putting Speed - 1

Other Options
Practice Rounds (4 hours/round max of 3)* 3 rounds
Gamble (4 hours/round max of 1)*
Fitness training - 2
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Old 12-11-2017, 10:24 AM   #468
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Keep Mike Schaplowsky's training the same, thanks.
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Old 12-11-2017, 11:30 AM   #469
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While we are moving slower, I will run training tomorrow around 10 AM EST...so get your instructions in. If I don't receive instructions I'll leave your settings as is - only making adjustments for your tournament rounds played.
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Old 12-11-2017, 12:54 PM   #470
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Keep play style and training the same.
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Old 12-11-2017, 03:34 PM   #471
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General Skills
Driving - 1
Ball Striking 1
Short Game - 2
Putting

Specific Skills
Drive Length
Drive Accuracy 2
Long Iron - 1
Short Iron - 1
Short Game 1
Sand Play
Putting Accuracy -1
Putting Speed - 2

Other Options
Practice Rounds (4 hours/round max of 3)* 3 rounds (only if I don't make the cut) 1 round if I make the cut
Gamble (4 hours/round max of 1)* 0
Fitness training - 2
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:19 AM   #472
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Augusta National - Hole by Hole

Hole 1 : Par 4, 445 Yards
Clinton Jones says: “It’s a pretty straightforward hole, but that hardly makes it an easy one. It’s a driver, some of the longer guys may hit a 3-wood. Ideally, you want to aim something down that left-center and hit a nice little power fade and try to keep it out of that bunker on the right-hand side. You can get away with it from that bunker sometimes, but it is a pretty big lip and can be a tough spot. Depending on the conditions, you can have anything from 4-iron to an 8- or 9-iron. “The green slopes pretty much back-to-front, there’s a little tier in the middle-right section. It’s one of the more underrated, difficult greens out there. You can have putts with 7 to 8 feet of break. It’s such a tough green, especially the front 1/3 of it. If you’re hitting something shorter and you have any spin, and you land it on the front third, it’s coming off quite a bit, to a spot that’s not the easiest up-and-down. If you miss it left to a back-left pin, you’re completely dead and happy to make a bogey.” (Hole Rating – Hard)

Hole 2 : Par 5, 575 Yards
Chuck Finley says: “No. 2 at Augusta, you come into it as your first real birdie opportunity. It’s maybe one of the easier drives for a lot of guys, you just aim it at the fairway bunker and try to hit a draw. It’s a tough second shot. You have a downhill lie, usually in the 240 area, and the green is sloped severely left-to-right and you don’t want to be above the hole. The trees on the left mean you almost always have to draw it into the green and with it being a downhill lie, it’s tough to do that. You’ll see guys, if they’re not comfortable with the shot, hit it into the front-right bunker or push it down to the bottom right side of the fairway, where you’ll have some fairly easy chips to some of the pins. The one bunker you really try to avoid is the front-left. To the front pin, if you hit it anywhere left, it’s almost impossible to hit it within 20 feet of the hole. There’s a lot of strategy at Augusta, but especially in the par 5s.” (Hole Rating – Easy)

Hole 3 : Par 4, 350 Yards
Harold Finch says: “On the tee shot, it all depends where the pin is. If it’s left, I’ll lay back farther. If it’s on the right, especially the back-right, you can hit it up there as far as you can. It’s tough to make sure you get all the way to the back-right pin if you lay back. From up close, you can pitch it in there and not be worried about spinning it too much. You’re trying to avoid short-left and those bunkers. If you execute it right, you have a legitimate chance at birdie. “If the ball is rolling, you can hit a 5-iron or 6-iron off the tee, but if it’s not, you can hit 2-iron or hybrid. I usually have about 140 yards if I lay back. If it’s dry, I can hit driver onto the upslope and have 30 yards. It just depends on what the ball is doing.” (Hole Rating – Normal)

Hole 4 : Par 3, 240 Yards
Brett Hawkins says: "I'm usually hitting a 3-iron, sometimes a 5-wood. It's probably the toughest hole on the golf course, to be honest. I'm just trying to get it on the green. That front-right bunker plays OK to a couple of the hole locations. You're not going to make worse than a 4 from the front-right bunker, and you'll have a pretty good chance at 3. It's just one of those holes where you're trying to make par. I think I made birdie once. "The front-left pin is extremely tough. It's not very wide, maybe 12 to 14 paces at the most. You're probably better off in that left bunker when the pin is in the front. "The green is extremely tilted from right to left. The green is pretty level from front to pack. There's a false front on the front-left. You want to try to hit a (shot) that's high in the air and has a lot of spin. A high cut is really nice if you can get the number right. You get a mixed bag of wind on that hole. (Hole Rating – Hard)

Hole 5 : Par 4, 455 Yards
Issac Bell says: It's a hard hole. You're just trying to find the fairway between the traps (on the left) and the pine trees down the right. The bunker is probably 20 feet deep. It's hard to get to that bunker. There's a bit of rough there, and the way that hill sits, if you've pulled one, it will come up short and you can try to hook something around (the bunker). You don't have much of a shot from down there. Depending on the wind, and if the weather is nice, you can have anything between a 6-iron to an 8- or 9-iron in. That green is very undulating. The first 15 yards of the green are really irrelevant because of those (steep, uphill) slopes. It doesn't even feel like it's green. You have to land it at least 15 (yards) on. If you can keep the ball just short of the back bunker, you can pretty much putt to any pin. It's a hard two-putt if you're not on that flat part in the back. (Hole Rating – Normal)

Hole 6 : Par 3, 180 Yards
Art Mullen says: "No. 6 is interesting because if the pin is front left, you have a chance to put the ball on the green and feed it down to the hole. Back-left is almost impossible to get the ball to it. You're going to be putting from 20 feet short and rarely do you get the putt to the hole because it's quick and you don't want to knock it by. That top-right pin, it's tough to get the ball to stop on that level. For every 10 good iron shots I've hit at that top shelf, I've probably only had three or four balls stop on it. It's probably only about eight yards by seven yards, at the most. A lot of that isn't usable, because if you hit it on the back, it's going to go over. You're hitting to a very small area, but most guys will take a pop at it. If you miss it a little long, I'd rather have that chip or putt from back there." (Hole Rating – Normal)

Hole 7 : Par 4, 450 Yards
Archie Goodwin says: "It's sneakily one of the toughest par-4s out there. They kind of force you to hit driver now because they've added so much length to it. It's still probably the narrowest fairway on the course. "You have to start with a good tee shot. From there, you generally have anywhere from a wedge to an 8-iron into that green. There's no club that you would feel real comfortable hitting into that green. The green is so shallow and you have three distinct segments. The front-right pin is really the only one that you feel like you can get it close to. You can use the slope of the green to funnel the ball toward the hole. "They have a new pin on the far right right behind the bunker. Anyone who hits it at that one is either stupid or made a mistake. "The pins on the left are so tough. They're up on a high point, and it's easy to miss right and have the ball funnel toward the front-right of the green. If you hit it 10 feet left of the hole, it's going to run off the green to the left. It's definitely one of the most difficult greens on the course. You probably have seven or eight yards that you have to hit your iron shot into to get your ball to stay up. (Hole Rating – Normal)

Hole 8 : Par 5, 570 Yards
Wade Whitaker says: "There’s a big bunker on the right side that guys are trying to avoid. An ideal shot shape is a cut off the tee but being a par-5 guys try to take it over that bunker and draw it to get a little extra distance. If you get lucky, you can get a 5- or 6-iron out of that bunker. If you’re up against the lip, you’re going to have to hit wedge out. It’s a blind second shot. You can’t really see the green. There’s some trees up on the left that you are trying to hook it around. The green is diabolical. There’s a big ridge going right through the middle of the green, dissecting it into a front half and back half. The front pin has kind of a bowl effect so guys can hit it close. The back-right pin is tough to get close to. It’s a tough two-putt just about anywhere on that green. It’s a big risk-reward par-5 because if you do overturn your second shot, you’re in trouble. If you miss it left, it’s impossible; it’s probably a 1-out-of-10 you’ll get it up-and-down. It’s all fairway between No. 8 and the ninth tee, so you have plenty of room to bail. (Hole Rating – Easy)

Hole 9 : Par 4, 460 Yards
Walter Sherman says: “It’s a tee shot that looks fairly daunting. You can’t see where your ball ends up, but there’s a tree out in the distance that is your target. It calls for a draw because the fairway goes right-to-left, but you can still play a power-fade because it does open up on the right side. The other thing that’s hard about it is that when you get back in that little hollow back in the tee box, you don’t really feel the wind, so whatever you feel on 8, you have to remember it for 9. The second shot is on a severe downhill lie hitting severely uphill, so it’s one that with a three-tiered green, a false front, hitting it to the middle of the green is pretty good. The front pins are the hardest on that hole because it’s hard to keep it on that level. Missing it right on that hole on the second shot isn’t ideal, but isn’t that bad because you’re kind of chipping back uphill. It’s usually a driver and mid-iron for me.” (Hole Rating – Normal)

Hole 10 : Par 4, 495 Yards
Benton Frasier says: "Obviously a downhill par 4. It has a lot of movement right-to-left in the fairway, so you have to hit a draw off the tee. It’s hard to overhook the tee shot. If you miss all the trees, and it just goes around them, you’re just going to be hitting off a flatter lie. You can hook it 30-40 yards if you want. It’s the least amount of slope on the left side (of the fairway) and it gives you a better angle into the hole. You can hit anything from a 2-iron to a driver off the tee, depending on how you feel. I’m going to hit driver; I want to get as far down as I can. I still want a short-iron, because hitting a long-iron to that green is no fun. You’re going to be hitting your approach off a downhill slope, and maybe even right-to-left. The green is guarded by a bunker on the right and if you miss the green on the left, it’s going to roll down the hill some 15-20 yards (away from the green). The back-left hole location on Sunday is tough because the putt looks uphill, and it looks like you can be aggressive, but it’s actually flowing toward 11 and 12, so it’s faster than it looks and has a lot of break. (Hole Rating – Hard)

Hole 11 : Par 4, 505 Yards
Will Robie says: “First of all, you deal with the fear. That’s how you start. It’s just so demanding. The fairway is so narrow that you’re just aiming for the center; even if you miss the fairway in the rough, you’re just hoping you stay between the trees. If you hit the fairway, then you have really a scary second shot. They have changed the hole slightly over the years. Everyone knows about the trees up the right side that have cut the fairway in half, but what a lot of people don’t realize is how much they’ve lowered right of the green, so if you miss to the right, you no longer have a simple pitch shot. The Larry Mize shot was just a bump-and-run that traveled across level ground and got on the green and went in the hole. Now you’re about 3-4 feet below the green there, so you have that shot uphill to a green that slopes toward the lake. It’s a very scary short-game shot from the right side of the green. You know you can’t miss right, so then the pond becomes more in play. It’s a genius move, as most of their changes are. “If you hit the fairway, which is narrow, you have a middle- or long-iron to a real demanding green with a lot of severe punishment for missing. You’re hitting from a pretty level but the shot is downhill. The shot is about 8-10 yards downhill, that’s what it plays. (You can aim at) a couple of trees behind the green that look like they come out of the bunker, and when you’re hitting your approach shot you just have to decide how bold you want to be. You usually pick one of those trees, and it is like red light, yellow light, green light. You rarely ever go for a flag unless it’s on the right side and then you still have to be really disciplined. The green itself is kind of non-descript for Augusta National. (Hole Rating – Hard)

Hole 12 : Par 3, 155 Yards
Des Courtney says: "Most people don’t appreciate how skinny that green is. I think it’s only 9 yards deep over the bunker, and most guys, if the pin is right, are aiming over that bunker. Well, you’re hitting to an area that is only 9 yards deep. It’s easy to knock it over the green. Short is wet. It’s probably going to be a 5 at least. You’ll see a lot of guys hedge long. When the wind is down(wind) off that tee box, you’ll notice it gets caught in those trees and the flag actually points back at you. "There’s a lot of times where the 11th green shows a flag with downwind, and the 12th flag shows the wind at you. Of course, more often than not, you can’t trust that it’s downwind, so you play for no wind and you rip one over the green, and that’s a tough 3. For a short par 3, it’s probably the best and toughest short par-3 in golf. You have about 16 yards (of depth) on the left side to hit, so I think a lot of guys will aim there, in the center-left, but that’s no bargain to a back-right pin. There’s not a lot of safe. It’s an easy 4 from the bunkers. I’ve hit a lot of shots that I thought I hit well that ended up just over the green and you’re left scrambling for your par.” (Hole Rating – Hard)

Hole 13 : Par 5, 510 Yards
Malcolm Reynolds says: “It’s driver or 3-wood off the tee. You have to turn it pretty good off the tee, probably 15 yards. Then it’s a long-iron in or a lay-up. I don’t know how to explain the slant, but the ball is very much above your feet. It’s a very severe sidehill lie, a really tough shot. The green is severe; you can’t go long. There’s a shelf in the back-left of the green. There’s no easy up-and-downs around that green. Just short of the creek is probably the easiest spot to get up-and-down from.” (Hole Rating – Easy)

Hole 14 : Par 4, 440 Yards
Ray Kowalski says: “I love 14. It’s kind of a copy of the 14th at St. Andrews, with the green, because it has a huge slope up in the front and then it all pitches away. The first half of the top shelf goes dead away from you, then the second half goes mostly left-to-right. Off the tee, there’s only one thing you’re thinking: you have to turn it right to left. The shorter hitters can hit a straight ball, but if you’re in the longer half of the field, you have to turn your ball right to left with a driver or a 3-wood. The fairway slopes left-to-right, so that further complicates the second shot because you know you have to keep it left of the hole because of the slope of the green, but the ground is encouraging your ball to go right, and you have an uphill second shot, so you have a lot of factors working against hitting it left. So many times you hit what you think is a good shot, and you see it land 5 feet right of your target, and you can see it disappear and it comes out way right, 40-50 feet right. “More often than not on 14 green, you end up with either a real simple birdie putt, pretty close, or a super hard two-putt. The sections where the holes are located are pretty small and the rest of the green is pretty severe, so if you just miss that section, it usually travels on down the green a long way, and you have a lot of putts that go up a significant hill to a little plateau. The first 20 yards of the green are not usable, are a false front.” (Hole Rating – Normal)

Hole 15 : Par 5, 530 Yards
Jake Doyle says: “Ideally, if you can keep the ball up the right side, the fairway slopes a little right-to-left. From the tee box, it looks like a wide fairway, but you have trees out about 330 yards that cut into the middle of the fairway from the left side. It normally leaves you around 220 to 230 yards to a really narrow green. There’s not a really good place to miss it. Long leaves you a really tough chip back toward the water, and short is in the water. Most guys go for it, though, because you have about 15-20 yards of downhill elevation, so it leaves you with a 4-iron or hybrid. At Augusta, the par-5s are the key, so you’re really trying to hit a good shot in there and give yourself a chance for eagle or birdie. The lie (on the second shot) is not that much downhill because the fairway only starts going downhill at about 400 yards. You have to take that into account on the lay-up. (The third shot) always seems to play a little farther than what you think it should. It’s one of those holes I feel it’s key to lay up to a yardage you are comfortable to. If you have a yardage that is in between clubs, you’re going to have a tough time hitting the green.” (Hole Rating – Normal)

Hole 16 : Par 3, 170 Yards
Ray Vecchio says: “No. 16 is really all about the green. It’s a medium-length par 3. Certain holes, you can attack, certain ones you can’t. The ones on the top, the back-right and middle-right, are probably the toughest ones to get to. It’s such a small target. I think club selection is important. The wind tends to swirl a little bit around there. Those top pins, if you’re between clubs, you usually take less club and hit it hard. “They’ve made the back-right a touch bigger in the past few years, but it is still pretty small. From the tee, it doesn’t look like much. You can’t miss it long in that bunker. It’s almost an automatic bogey. Front pins, you want to use the (right-to-left) slope. The Sunday, back-left pin, you’re trying to land it a little right of the hole and use the slope to bring it down there. You have about 20-25 feet right of the Sunday pin that you can use (to funnel the ball toward the hole). It’s a good pin because the water is a little bit in play, and that bunker is in play, but most people are trying to hit it a little right of the pin and use the slope. You can have anywhere from 9-iron to 5- or 6-iron, if it’s into the wind to the back pin and the tee is back, it can play 190 yards.” (Hole Rating – Normal)

Hole 17 : Par 4, 440 Yards
Colton Rhodes says: “With the loss of the Eisenhower tree, it will be a much more open tee shot, but you’re still not off the hook going into that green. You have three or four really distinct levels. That top right pin … and back left, it’s hard to get close to those pins on the second shot. You end up having 25-footers where you’re trying to lag it up there for par. If you need to make a birdie coming down the stretch, it’s a good opportunity, but you have to hit two really strong golf shots to give yourself a good look. “The Eisenhower Tree was right about where my ball started to come down. It’s still not a wide-open tee shot by any means. It’s probably about 25 yards wide, so it’s not U.S. Open-type, but if you miss it right or left, you’re going to have to shape your shot pretty drastically. The back-left hole, it really runs away, and it’s hard to keep it on the green if you land it near that pin. It tends to run back toward that chipping area. The right pins are just nasty. The back-right one, you can’t go over; there’s a huge hill back there. It’s an impossible up-and-down from beyond the green. The middle-right pin, you can hit it to the middle of the green, but it’s an extremely fast putt going toward Rae’s Creek. That short bunker isn’t a terrible place to be if you can play out of the sand.” (Hole Rating – Normal)

Hole 18 : Par 4, 465 Yards
Brain Babson says: "It's a tough hole. It's very much a chute. You have more fairway on the right than it looks. It calls for a power fade off the bunker out there. Some guys can get to that bunker downwind. I can't. The tee shot is slightly uphill. The second shot is 6-7 percent uphill, so if you have 200 yards, it plays 10-15 yards longer. The green looks really, really small to the eye from the fairway. It's multi-tiered with a false front. Middle of the green, especially with a mid-iron, is ideal. The ball will roll back if the pin is up front. It's hard to get up-and-down long. On average, it's usually a 5- or 6-iron. Anywhere from 180 to 215. If the pin is on the right side of the green, being left is never bad, and vice versa. If you short-side yourself, you're making a bogey unless you make a long putt. The front-left pin on Sunday, you don't want to be left." (Hole Rating – Hard)
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:31 AM   #474
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Augusta National – Player Overview

Joe Smith - $97,500 (MC, T3, MC, MC)
DL – Good
DA – Very Good
LI – Very Good
SI – Very Good
SG – Mediocre
SP – Poor
PA – Very Good
PS – Very Good

Joe was in contention on week 2, but otherwise he’s been pretty poor so far this season. In fact, with 3 missed cuts in 4 events it’s doubtful his confidence is where it needs to be to compete at Augusta. His skills are pretty good, but the sand and short game deficiencies could really bite him here. Moreover, his intangibles have been mostly poor as well, with bad decisions and poor scrambling ability costing him shots.
Outlook: Should make the cut


Mike Schaplowsky - $356,333 (17, T9, 1, DNP)
DL – Mediocre
DA – Very Good
LI – Very Good
SI – Average
SG – Average
SP – Average
PA – Average
PS – Average

Mike has made the cut in all three of the tournaments he’s participated in, including a win at his most recent tournament. His skills give him the ability to be competitive each and every week but August may put a strain on some of his skills, as average shots aren’t always enough to get up and down here. However, his scrambling ability has been good this season and you know his confidence is high coming off a win.
Outlook: Makes the cut with a chance to get into the top 5


Rob Nielsen - $23,000 (T17, MC, MC, 15)
DL – Inadequate
DA – Great
LI – Great
SI – Excellent
SG – Excellent
SP – Terrible
PA – Average
PS – Terrible

Rob has struggled so far this season and it’s clearly not because of his ball striking as he is one of the best on tour with an iron in his hand, especially if he can’t get into short iron range. He’s also good at getting up and down with the wedge, which will come in handy this week where the wedge game is so important. However, his terrible sand play and inability to judge speed on putts could be crippling here as a ball can really get away from you on these lightning fast greens.
Outlook: Struggle to make the cut.


Saku Koekela - $232,083 (10, T9, T9, 2)
DL – Inadequate
DA – Excellent
LI – Very Good
SI – Inadequate
SG – Inadequate
SP – Terrible
PA – Very Good
PS – Very Good

Saku has been one of the most consistent players on tour so far this season. He’s had all top 10 finishes and he’s considered one of the favorites for this tournament. His poor sand play might be a problem before this tournament is over, and his short game lacks the sharpness to be extremely successful here, but his intangibles are generally considered very good and that focus, consistency and clutch play combined with smart decisions on how to attack the holes might become key.
Outlook: In contention


Will Brown - $49,000 (16, 12, MC, 19)
DL – Good
DA – Excellent
LI – Inadequate
SI – Mediocre
SG – Good
SP – Poor
PA – Great
PS – Mediocre

Will has made 3 of 4 cuts, but has never really been in contention. And again the lack of sand play and understanding of the speed on the greens is likely to be the biggest detriment to his score. With his good length and excellent control off the tee he will have opportunities to take advantage of par 5s, but it may not be enough. His focus and consistency are well regarded on tour and may help him this week.
Outlook: Just makes the cut.


David Ginsberg - $102,000 (20, T3, MC, MC)
DL – Terrible
DA – Mediocre
LI – Mediocre
SI – Mediocre
SG – Terrible
SP – Terrible
PA – Excellent
PS – Excellent

Ginsberg has missed the cut in his last two events, that’s going to weigh on his confidence in this one. This player, who is respected for his attributes, has found ways to get into contention already this season by staying consistent and focused and making the clutch shots when he has the opportunity, and his putting is arguably the best on tour. This style can be successful on many courses during the season, however, David’s ball striking is well below average and while Augusta puts an emphasis on the putting skills, the player has to get into a position for the putts to matter and I’m not sure Ginsberg’s game is up to that test.
Outlook: Misses the cut.


Brian “the putting butcher” Babson - $212,500 (MC, 2, T12, DNP)
DL – Masterful
DA – Poor
LI – Masterful
SI – Great
SG – Poor
SP – Poor
PA – Poor
PS – Poor

Brian isn’t known as the putting butcher for nothing. He can 3 putt a 3 footer and that, combined with a poor sand and short game is going to hamper him badly. He's also an adventure off the tee, where he blasts it as far as anyone on tour but it’s not always in the right direction. He’s an extraordinary scrambler and when a clutch shot comes up he typically makes them, but he’ll need some good fortune to be a factor here.
Outlook: A non-factor who most likely misses the cut.


Deacon Palmer - $127,500 (6, MC, MC, 10)
DL – Mediocre
DA – Good
LI – Mediocre
SI – Mediocre
SG – Average
SP – Mediocre
PA – Very Good
PS – Mediocre

Making the cut and the top 10 last week will help him coming into this week. While he’s very non-descript in ability, if he has a good week in training Palmer could surprise some people. If he’s sharp many of his skills might be considered average and that might be all that is needed to get him over the hump.
Outlook: Makes the cut, but doesn't reach the top 10


Ches O’Peake - $249,416 (3, MC, T15, 2)
DL – Average
DA – Average
LI – Poor
SI – Good
SG – Great
SP – Poor
PA – Excellent
PS – Great

Two top 3 finishes for Ches, and a skill set that is pretty good. He’s another one with poor sand play so it will be incumbent on him to stay out of the white stuff. Moreover, he needs to be careful with the long iron approaches making sure to allow some room for error whenever possible, but his putting and driving might be able to carry the day.
Outlook: In contention


Frank Justyce - $118,500 (MC, T17, T6, 6)
DL – Mediocre
DA – Very Good
LI – Mediocre
SI – Great
SG – Very Good
SP – Inadequte
PA – Good
PS – Good

Back to back sixth place finishes will really bolster Justyce’s confidence. His lack of length off the tee and with the long irons may make the par 5s a bit more difficult, but the rest of his skills should hold up well on the other holes. His outcome could easily be dependent on his attributes, are his focus, course management and scrambling ability up the test?
Outlook: Makes the cut and maybe top 10

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Old 12-12-2017, 11:22 AM   #475
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Augusta National – Player Overview


Barrett Hays - $27,500 (MC, MC, MC, 12)
DL – Poor
DA – Extraordinary
LI – Great
SI – Good
SG – Great
SP – Poor
PA – Inadequate
PS – Poor

Hays has really struggled so far this season and the putting probably has a lot to do with that. Very difficult to win when you struggle to roll the ball in the hole. His ball striking is some of the best on tour across all clubs. The lack of distance off the tee wouldn’t hurt so much if he could putt, but laying up on par 5 puts the stress for birdie back on the putter. I believe his inability to putt will doom his chances again this week.
Outlook: Misses the cut


Brett Hawkins - $472,250 (1, T17, T2, MC)
DL – Average
DA – Average
LI – Average
SI – Good
SG – Poor
SP – Mediocre
PA – Excellent
PS – Mediocre

A win and a second place finish in 4 events for Brett, and he should be a factor here as well. The only skill Brett really excels at is reading greens, but he has few weaknesses in his game. His lack of skill with the short game will probably cost him a few shots at Augusta, but even with that he should be around for the weekend.
Outlook: Makes the cut and gets in the top 10.


Wade Whitaker - $43,750 (MC, MC, MC, 8)
DL – Inadequate
DA – Good
LI – Inadequate
SI – Good
SG – Average
SP – Inadequate
PA – Very Good
PS – Inadequate

Wade got to his first weekend play last week, and that might help him this week. While his skills are pretty pedestrian, a good week of training and he might be just good enough to make some noise, especially when he’s considered one of the better players on tour when it comes to intangibles.
Outlook: Fighting to make the cut


Benton Frasier - $23,750 (MC, MC, T20, 14)
DL – Average
DA – Inadequate
LI – Average
SI – Mediocre
SG – Terrible
SP – Very Good
PA – Mediocre
PS – Good

Frasier has started to warm up after a poor start to the season, but his terrible short game and mediocre putting will kill his chances here, unless he manages to use his great scrambling ability to make up shots.
Outlook: Misses the cut


Ray Vecchio - $70,000 (MC, 21, T6, 18)
DL – Great
DA – Very Good
LI – Great
SI – Mediocre
SG – Terrible
SP – Very Good
PA – Terrible
PS – Inadequate

Vecchio for the most part has been mediocre this season. He did have a good tournament in Arizona, but that so far appears to be an outlier. His putting will almost certainly cost him this week and his terrible short game is also going to be a detriment to his score.
Outlook: Misses the cut.


Jake Doyle - $126,250 (12, T3, T20, MC)
DL – Average
DA – Poor
LI – Average
SI – Inadequate
SG – Great
SP – Good
PA – Great
PS – Average

Jake has found himself on the leaderboard twice this year and even has a third place finish on his resume. His skills are very solid, and his sand and short game combined with this putting may be enough to keep him on the leaderboard this week. He’ll need to avoid trouble off the tee, but if he can do that he might be in one of the last groups come Sunday.
Outlook: Top 10


Des Courtney - $303,750 (2, DNP, T4, 8)
DL – Mediocre
DA – Good
LI – Average
SI – Good
SG – Good
SP – Poor
PA – Inadequate
PS – Very Good
Des has been one of the most consistently good players on tour. He’s made the cut in all 3 tournaments he played, and he has two top 5 finishes. He’s also high on the money list despite the fact he’s only played in 3 of 4 events so far and he hasn’t won. His sand play and line reading might be a bit poor for this event, but with some luck he could be on the leaderboard.
Outlook: Makes the cut, fights for the top 10.


Serge Storms - $26,500 (MC, MC, T15, 15)
DL – Extraordinary
DA – Great
LI – Mediocre
SI – Average
SG – Mediocre
SP – Inadequate
PA – Inadequate
PS – Inadequate

Serge is a master off the tee – long and very straight. He also is good with the short iron, but once he gets around the green things start to fall apart, and that isn’t what you want here. To be a regular contender on tour he’ll have to get better from 50 yards in. Here those skill deficiencies will hurt.
Outlook: Fighting to just make the cut.


Tim Dorsey - $11,500 (MC, MC, T15, MC)
DL – Very Good
DA – Inadequate
LI – Great
SI – Inadequate
SG – Mediocre
SP – Inadequate
PA – Excellent
PS – Average

Dorsey has struggled this season and the surprising thing is, his skills don’t indicate he should. He’s pretty solid top to bottom. He does need to stay out of trouble because he’s not very good at scrambling. If he has a good week of training and he stays out of trouble he could be a surprise this week.
Outlook: Makes the cut.


Walter Sherman - $27,500 (MC, MC, DNP, 12)
DL – Poor
DA – Mediocre
LI – Poor
SI – Very Good
SG – Very Good
SP – Extraordinary
PA – Mediocre
PS – Good

Sherman is another player that hasn’t had much luck early. For Walter the biggest problem appears to be getting off the tee. He is typically short and crooked, which is difficult to overcome on tour.
Outlook: Misses the cut
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Augusta National – Player Overview

Will Robie - $65,500 (17, 13, T12, MC)
DL – Average
DA – Inadequate
LI – Excellent
SI – Very Good
SG – Very Good
SP – Inadequate
PA – Good
PS – Great

Robie has been in 3 of the 4 weekends so far, but he’s never really been a factor. Players will tell you he has great skills pretty much across the board, but he is terrible at scrambling, he can be inconsistent in his swing and play, and he never seems to make the clutch shot when he needs to.
Outlook: Makes the cut but finishes towards the bottom of the leaderboard


Branch Connally - $37,500 (10, MC, MC, MC)
DL – Good
DA – Mediocre
LI – Average
SI – Excellent
SG – Average
SP – Average
PA – Great
PS – Poor

Connally is entering this tournament on a cold streak and that’s not a good thing, add to that poor ability to judge the speed of puts and poor understanding of how to play risk/reward holes along with a surprising lack of focus and you can see why the struggling has occurred. I believe he can get on a roll and play well, just not this week.
Outlook: Misses the cut.


Ray Kowalski - $55,000 (MC, DNP, T6, MC)
DL – Average
DA – Excellent
LI – Good
SI – Mediocre
SG – Good
SP – Poor
PA – Excellent
PS – Good

Only 1 good round out of 3 for Ray, but he looks like he could be a factor here. He can put, he can get off the tee and he’s not bad with the short game. However, like Robie he doesn’t scramble well and he never seems to make the clutch shot.
Outlook: Fighting to make the cut


Archie Goodwin $423,750 (12, 1, DNP, 6)
DL – Good
DA – Mediocre
LI – Average
SI – Very Good
SG – Poor
SP – Excellent
PA – Terrible
PS – Mediocre

Archie has won once and made the cut in all three events he participated. However, his skills aren’t a good match for these small fast greens. I have to believe his terrible putting and poor short game will ultimately do him in.
Outlook: Fights to make the cut


Isaac Bell - $156,749 (3, T14, DNP, MC)
DL – Inadequate
DA – Excellent
LI – Good
SI – Poor
SG – Great
SP – Good
PA – Good
PS – Average

Bell started the season great but he was poor last week shooting a 75 to open the round. His skills indicate he could do well here this week. The inadequate length off the tee isn’t a killer, and he can put and chip. His biggest concern is probably his inconsistency. If he can keep it together and not get sloppy with his swing he could be looking at a strong week.
Outlook: Very possible top 10.


John Puller - $24,500 (20, DNP, 14, MC)
DL – Great
DA – Good
LI – Terrible
SI – Inadequate
SG – Very Good
SP – Poor
PA – Very Good
PS – Good

Puller has too many holes in his game to be a factor. Great off the tee, but poor with irons in his hand. Can chip, but can’t get out of the sand. He can putt which could save him a time or two, but his focus is typically poor and that will lead to drop shots.
Outlook: Misses the cut


Tommy Phan - $0 (MC, DNP, MC, MC)
DL – Average
DA – Average
LI – Great
SI – Good
SG – Poor
SP – Inadequate
PA – Terrible
PS – Great

Tommy is one of two players to not make a cut yet this season. He’s actually a better player than his scores would lead you to believe. He is known to be smart, focuses and clutch, but extremely inconsistent and not a good scrambler. Add to that the terrible job of reading greens and you begin to see why he’s struggled. If he can keep it together this week he might make his first cut. His ball striking is good enough for that.
Outlook: Fights for the cut but comes up short.


Malcolm Reynolds - $146,416 (3, T17, DNP, MC)
DL – Extraordinary
DA – Good
LI – Poor
SI – Average
SG – Poor
SP – Mediocre
PA – Very Good
PS – Average

Malcolm’s short game and long iron play will be difficult to over come here. Unlike the 5Cs where he was able to work around his limitations. Combine the poor short game with a poor ability to scramble and you could have a recipe for disaster.
Outlook: Misses the cut


Amos Decker - $50,083 (12, T14, MC, MC)
DL – Inadequate
DA – Poor
LI – Poor
SI – Inadequate
SG – Poor
SP – Very Good
PA – Mediocre
PS – Good

Decker is known more for his intangibles as he is known to have excellent focus, and is great with clutch, course management, and scrambling ability, but his skills are sub-par and I don’t think you can win Augusta without better skills
Outlook: Misses the cut


Jason Bly - $300,000 (MC, DNP, MC, 1)
DL – Extraordinary
DA – Great
LI – Inadequate
SI – Great
SG – Inadequate
SP – Good
PA – Poor
PS – Poor

Bly is coming off a win, but his lack of putting ability will be a huge factor here. So much so that I’m not sure his driver play and short iron approaches can make up the difference
Outlook: Misses the cut

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Old 12-12-2017, 12:57 PM   #478
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Augusta National – Player Overview

Art Mullen - $152,500 (8, T3, MC, DNP)
DL – Average
DA – Average
LI – Good
SI – Great
SG – Average
SP – Mediocre
PA – Good
PS – Good

Art started the season really strong, and he has the type of skills the could do well here, especially if he has a good week of training. His scrambling ability is terrible which will hurt if he gets in trouble, but otherwise Art is well positioned for this event.
Outlook: Challenging for top 5


Harold Finch - $88,333 (MC, T9, T9, DNP)
DL – Very Good
DA – Inadequate
LI – Excellent
SI – Average
SG – Average
SP – Good
PA – Mediocre
PS – Excellent

Finch is another player who could make some noise. His skills are pretty good. It’ll be interesting to see if his ability to judge the speed of putts is enough to overcome his struggles reading the break. If he can putt well this week his ball striking should keep him in contention. He’s another player with terrible ability to scramble, so he’ll need to keep it out of trouble to have a chance.
Outlook: Make the cut, competes for top 10


Chuck Finley - $130,000 (6, MC, T9, DNP)
DL – Mediocre
DA – Good
LI – Poor
SI – Very Good
SG – Great
SP – Good
PA – Good
PS – Poor

Chuck’s poor ability to control the speed on putts and the inability to hit greens with long irons is going to be a problem, but he’s good around the green with wedges so he might be able to come out even. His course management is great but he can’t seem to pull off a clutch shot when it is needed.
Outlook: Fighting to make the cut


Jesse Porter - $215,250 (MC, T3, T15, 2)
DL –Good
DA – Great
LI – Terrible
SI – Great
SG – Very Good
SP – Good
PA – Good
PS – Great

If he can stay away from difficult long iron shots and not force himself to scramble (something he’s terrible at), Porter will potentially make some noise. However, he can’t get distracted, and at this tournament that’s death.
Outlook: Makes the cut


Clinton Jones - $77,583 (15, T14, MC, 10)
DL – Average
DA – Inadequate
LI – Poor
SI – Average
SG – Great
SP – Good
PA – Good
PS – Average

Jones has been solid during the season, but not spectacular and I expect more of the same here.
Outlook: Just makes the cut


Colton Rhodes - $105,750 (20, T17, T4, 19)
DL – Inadequate
DA – Mediocre
LI – Inadequate
SI – Mediocre
SG – Excellent
SP – Very Good
PA – Mediocre
PS – Average

Rhodes is typically very consistent and very focused, but his skills are below average in most areas. He needs a good week of training, but even that is probably insufficient to get him on the first page of the leaderboard.
Outlook: Misses the cut


Dickie Bennett - $15,000 (MC, MC, MC, 15)
DL – Poor
DA – Mediocre
LI – Average
SI – Average
SG – Good
SP – Very Good
PA – Great
PS – Inadequate

Bennett made his first cut last week and that may provide a bit of a lift this week. The short and crooked tee ball will hole him back, and inadequate putting is going to be problematic. But he can scramble well and he’s pretty consistent.
Outlook: Makes the cut


Jimmy Fujita - $290,000 (8, T3, T2, DNP)
DL – Good
DA – Excellent
LI – Very Good
SI – Good
SG – Extraordinary
SP – Terrible
PA – Very Good
PS – Very Good

Fujita is all about the skills and he has arguably the best on tour across the board. However, there is quite a bit of sand on this course, and it does demand focus, consistency, and scrambling and course management and Jimmy is poor in those areas.
Outlook: Top 10 finish


Don Jaily - $0 (DNP, MC, MC, MC)
DL – Masterful
DA – Mediocre
LI – Very Good
SI – Terrible
SG – Terrible
SP – Mediocre
PA – Average
PS – Inadequate

Jaily is all about launching the ball and he can do that with the best of them. Unfortunately, he’s not good once he gets inside 170 yards. Short irons are practically foreign to him, and the wedge is just as strange. He can play a bit out of the sand and all and all he’s an adequate putter but not a good one by any measure. He can make the clutch shot and he can scramble, but he’s inconsistent and unfocused as well, making this a very uphill climb.
Outlook: Misses the cut


Chucky Dawson - $113,750 (DNP, MC, 19, 2)
DL – Poor
DA – Excellent
LI – Terrible
SI – Average
SG – Good
SP – Terrible
PA – Very Good
PS – Good

Coming off a second place finish, but that isn’t going to be enough to overcome terrible long iron and sand play this week. Dawson is almost masterfully consistent but he’s not clutch and he doesn’t scramble well either, so he will most likely battle to make the cut not win the tournament.
Outlook: Makes the cut
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:59 PM   #479
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General Update

Please note the ratings you see are described from your current base score. This is pre-training, and remember that training can adjust your scores between -10 and +10 depending on how you spend your hours. So you skills at first tee could be significantly different.

Also, since we are going slower, if anyone would like to use this information and adjust their training instruction simply let me know as I'll hold off on running training until I hear from everyone or we reach 10 AM on Wednesday.
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:39 PM   #480
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Jimmy Fujita's (Adjusted) Training:

General Skills
Driving
Ball Striking - 2
Short Game
Putting

Specific Skills
Drive Length - 1
Drive Accuracy
Long Iron
Short Iron
Short Game
Sand Play - 2
Putting Accuracy - 1
Putting Speed

Other Options
Practice Rounds (4 hours/round max of 3)* 3 rounds
Gamble (4 hours/round max of 1)*
Fitness training - 3
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:48 AM   #481
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Round 1 - Style of Play

Time to submit your style of play for round 1. I will run the first round tomorrow, but given that I'll be providing more information I probably won't get around to posting until Monday...

If I don't get SOP by 10 Thursday, I'll play the round with the style currently configured.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:09 AM   #482
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Augusta National - Round 1 Pin Placements

1. Normal
2. Normal
3. Normal
4. Easy
5. Normal
6. Easy
7. Hard
8. Normal
9. Hard

10. Easy
11. Normal
12. Normal
13. Hard
14. Easy
15. Easy
16. Normal
17. Hard
18. Easy
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:18 PM   #483
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Frank Justyce will keep his instructions the same.

Breeze, on a side note, are you a David Baldacci fan?
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:39 PM   #484
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Sent PM for my SOP for Jimmy Fujita. Did it a little differently this time and submitted instructions for each hole. Hope it's not too much work for you.
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:01 PM   #485
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Frank Justyce will keep his instructions the same.

Breeze, on a side note, are you a David Baldacci fan?

I was wondering if anyone was going to recognize any of the NPC names. Yeah, I've read a number of his books. They are quick and easy reading that remind me a little bit of early Ludlum. Nice catch...

Which character names did you recognize that tipped you off?

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Old 12-13-2017, 01:02 PM   #486
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Sent PM for my SOP for Jimmy Fujita. Did it a little differently this time and submitted instructions for each hole. Hope it's not too much work for you.

It's fine...I have several others that submit instructions the way you did.
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:16 PM   #487
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I should do hole by hole or something more extensive, but I'm too lazy lol. So just keep mine normal across the board.
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Old 12-13-2017, 01:29 PM   #488
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Normaaaaaaaaals across the board.
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:04 PM   #489
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Normal across the board, except putting should be aggressive.
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:20 AM   #490
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 1

Schaplowsky - able to avoid a double bogey with a nice putt

Nielsen - solid par

Koekela - drive catches huge bunker on left high lip forces a shot incapable of reaching the green - bogey

Brown - solid par

Ginsberg - solid par

Babson - second shot catches the lip of the bunker and he struggles to get out of the high lipped trap - double bogey

Palmer - solid par

O'Peake - solid par

Justyce - solid par

Fujita - solid par

Jailey - solid par

Dawson - solid par
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:26 AM   #491
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 2

Schaplowsky - solid par

Nielsen - eagle putt from 32 feet comes up just short - birdie

Koekela - solid par

Brown - eagle chip nearly goes in - tap in birdie

Ginsberg - eagle chip is too firm and the ball rolls well by the hole - birdie putt coming back is missed - settle for par

Babson - solid par

Palmer - solid par

O'Peake - smartly played hole leads to easy birdie

Justyce - eagle chip nearly goes in - tap in birdie

Fujita - inconsistent play leads to bogey

Jailey - solid par

Dawson - eagle chip is tracking the hole...but it lips out and continues to roll down the hill stopping a good 12 feet from the hole. The birdie putt is also missed.
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:31 AM   #492
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 3

Schaplowsky - solid par

Nielsen - solid par

Koekela - solid par

Brown - textbook par

Ginsberg - drive is in trouble and short - bogey

Babson - solid par

Palmer - solid par

O'Peake - solid par

Justyce - solid par

Fujita - solid par

Jailey - poor sand play leads to bogey

Dawson - smartly played hole leads to birdie
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:40 AM   #493
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 4

Schaplowsky - solid par

Nielsen - solid par

Koekela - textbook par

Brown - can't scramble out a par

Ginsberg - solid par

Babson - lucky break for Babson...tee ball is long and chip is hit too far and ball starts to run off the false front but holds up, allowing him to avoid what was sure to be a double bogey.

Palmer - poorly executed long iron shot is hit long leading to bogey

O'Peake - solid par

Justyce - long iron shot is hit too far - bogey

Fujita - solid par

Jailey - knocks iron inside 5 feet for birdie

Dawson - good luck allows Dawson to avoid a double bogey - bogey
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Old 12-14-2017, 10:46 AM   #494
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 5

Schaplowsky - solid par

Nielsen - 6 foot downhill putt is missed

Koekela - textbook par

Brown - long iron isn't up to the task - bogey

Ginsberg - solid par

Babson - inconsistent play results in a double bogey

Palmer - solid par

O'Peake - solid par

Justyce - solid par

Fujita - solid par

Jailey - solid par

Dawson - perfect drive sets up birdie
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:10 AM   #495
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 6

Schaplowsky - putter saves par

Nielsen - putter saves par

Koekela - solid par

Brown - takes advantage of the easy pin for birdie

Ginsberg - textbook par

Babson - solid par

Palmer - solid par

O'Peake - solid par

Justyce - solid par

Fujita - solid par

Jailey - solid par

Dawson - solid par
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:20 AM   #496
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 7

Schaplowsky - solid par

Nielsen - solid par

Koekela - solid par

Brown - solid par

Ginsberg - appropriate amount of aggressiveness pays off with a birdie

Babson - solid par

Palmer - solid par

O'Peake - 2 key shots - a big drive and nice job reading the speed on the putt help convert birdie

Justyce - solid par

Fujita - solid par

Jailey - solid par

Dawson - confident and consistent play leads to birdie
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:23 AM   #497
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 8

Schaplowsky - solid par

Nielsen - consistent play leads to birdie

Koekela - solid par

Brown - textbook par

Ginsberg - solid par

Babson - solid par

Palmer - Drive pulled left into the trees - bogey

O'Peake - solid par

Justyce - solid par

Fujita - textbook par

Jailey - solid par

Dawson - solid par
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:28 AM   #498
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 9

Schaplowsky - solid par

Nielsen - solid par

Koekela - solid par

Brown - solid par

Ginsberg - solid par

Babson - solid par

Palmer - solid par

O'Peake - textbook par

Justyce - solid par

Fujita - solid par

Jailey - birdie putt is a bit too firm - settle for par

Dawson - solid par

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Old 12-14-2017, 11:45 AM   #499
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 10

Schaplowsky - textbook par

Nielsen - solid par

Koekela - solid par

Brown - takes advantage of the easy pin

Ginsberg - solid par

Babson - solid par

Palmer - long iron not sufficient - bogey

O'Peake - solid par

Justyce - solid par

Fujita - poor course management and focus cost Fujita a stroke

Jailey - loss of focus and poor course management lead to bogey

Dawson - bunker to right of the green claims a victim - Bogey
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:48 AM   #500
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Augusta National - Round 1

Hole 11

Schaplowsky - solid par

Nielsen - solid par

Koekela - mediocre chip shot leads to bogey

Brown - solid par

Ginsberg - solid par

Babson - nice scramble save for par

Palmer - can't scramble out a par

O'Peake - textbook par

Justyce - solid par

Fujita - textbook par

Jailey - solid par

Dawson - confident play leads to birdie
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