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Old 04-23-2019, 11:50 PM   #451
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I'm not watching the game, but what are you seeing going on?

Box score says:

** Fouls: OKC 11, Portland 10
** FTA: Portland 11, OKC 6

I don't think I've ever seen a stat line like that in my life in a game I watched and said 'yep, the team with twice as many trips to the line is definitely getting hosed here'. So what's the actual view on the court?

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Old 04-23-2019, 11:56 PM   #452
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50/50 calls seem to end up in the OKC column
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Old 04-23-2019, 11:59 PM   #453
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:00 AM   #454
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:03 AM   #455
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:35 AM   #456
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Some good ones in here. Blazers official and Chandler Parsons in particular.

NBA players react to Damian Lillard's series clinching game-winner
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:09 AM   #457
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Lost in that insane finish is the fact that Russ took 31 shots to get 29 points... and took 80 shots in the series to get 85 points. Yikes.
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:21 AM   #458
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:27 AM   #459
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Lost in that insane finish is the fact that Russ took 31 shots to get 29 points... and took 80 shots in the series to get 85 points. Yikes.

And if I eyeballed the pbp accurately, did not score a point in the final 10:11 of the game.
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:06 PM   #460
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Lost in that insane finish is the fact that Russ took 31 shots to get 29 points... and took 80 shots in the series to get 85 points. Yikes.


SVP last night said 'When they do the story of Westbrook's career will it be a 30 for 30, a 10 for 30'


Cheap shot but I laughed more than I should have
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:23 PM   #461
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It's Iverson all over again, scoring less points than shots you take.
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:59 PM   #462
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Iverson didn't have the rebounding & assists though. I also think Westbrook is a better defender, though both are overrated by steals because they gamble a lot. I think Westbrook's contract extension would terrify me and he shouldn't have won MVP, but all the people hating on him now were probably hating on Lillard after last year's playoffs. Both are top 20-25 players in the league & Damian Lillard going supernova for one series doesn't make Russ overrated.
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:35 PM   #463
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Old 04-26-2019, 02:27 PM   #464
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How did Montrezl Harrell not get a better FA offer than 2/12 this off-season? He's worth at least 2x that much, if not more
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Old 04-26-2019, 02:56 PM   #465
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How did Montrezl Harrell not get a better FA offer than 2/12 this off-season? He's worth at least 2x that much, if not more

Simple: he hadn't shown what we're seeing until this year.

A lot of that was a matter of opportunity - his per 100 stats aren't changed much offensively - but as it was the 2/12 quadrupled his previous salary so it wasn't like it was the worst offer in the world either.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:29 PM   #466
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So the last two first-round series to finish up involve the top two teams in the West, third and fourth overall. That's not a bet I would have taken in pre-season.
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Old 04-27-2019, 06:13 AM   #467
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Simple: he hadn't shown what we're seeing until this year.

A lot of that was a matter of opportunity - his per 100 stats aren't changed much offensively - but as it was the 2/12 quadrupled his previous salary so it wasn't like it was the worst offer in the world either.

Montrezl showed flashes when he was an injury sub at times with the Rockets, and then got some more PT after the Blake trade last year. I'm a relative novice when it comes.to.watching basketball and I saw the potential last year.

The scouts and front office people (for other teams) should have known better. They just dropped the ball.
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Old 04-27-2019, 01:09 PM   #468
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Montrezl showed flashes when he was an injury sub at times with the Rockets, and then got some more PT after the Blake trade last year. I'm a relative novice when it comes.to.watching basketball and I saw the potential last year.

The scouts and front office people (for other teams) should have known better. They just dropped the ball.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the guy. I'm just saying that 2/12 really wasn't unreasonably low at the time he was signed
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Old 04-27-2019, 03:19 PM   #469
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the guy. I'm just saying that 2/12 really wasn't unreasonably low at the time he was signed

Oh yea for sure given the lack of interest, he got what he could. I'm just pointing out that the hints to his potential were out there for other front offices to see, but they quite frankly dropped the ball.

Now, to be fair, there is a ceiling on Montrezl. He is always going to be the physically aggressive energy guy. He hasn't shown much toward refining shooting skills or perfecting technique or what not. At 25 and three years in the league, you want to see more development by now. All that said, his will to play and enthusiasm to go along with superior physicality makes him both underrated and fun to watch.
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Old 04-27-2019, 11:55 PM   #470
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Old 04-28-2019, 03:59 PM   #471
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Pretty nice game 1 for the Celtics. The Bucks shooters will hit a couple more 3's & we'll miss a few more mid-rangers, but if the refs don't get whistle happy and let us play good, physical on-ball defense on Giannis those swarming tactics definitely threw off his game and the series will be a toss up. Aron Baynes ankle will be something to monitor (and if he can't play Semi should definitely be getting the minutes over Theis.) Bad day for any remaining Al Horford is overpaid/overrated people. Jaylen Brown was a complete monster on defense, helping on Giannis & still effectively closing out shooters. Tatum played very poorly on offense, we had like 8 FT attempts (not that that part is likely to change), and still put up 112 points.
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Old 04-28-2019, 06:08 PM   #472
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At what point do the Warriors start to figuratively try to break Harden’s arm instead of all these touch fouls?
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:04 AM   #473
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:06 AM   #474
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No way Popovich was going to retire before coaching the Olympic team, but it'll be interesting to see how long of a contract he signs this time around because I've always assumed he won't want to stay around long after that. He's always got to keep the sardonic wit going too:

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Old 04-30-2019, 11:11 PM   #475
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How many hypothetical points do the rockets get to add for having harden in the locker room during this game?
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Old 04-30-2019, 11:29 PM   #476
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How many hypothetical points do the rockets get to add for having harden in the locker room during this game?

53, according to their calculations
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Old 04-30-2019, 11:41 PM   #477
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Old 04-30-2019, 11:54 PM   #478
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Old 05-01-2019, 12:05 AM   #479
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Did the refs just decide to get the Rockets back in the game?
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Old 05-01-2019, 12:15 AM   #480
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Did the refs just decide to get the Rockets back in the game?

Perfect time to quiet the narrative a bit while not really affecting the outcome too much
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:01 PM   #481
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Been hearing Kirk Goldsberry making the podcast rounds to support his new book. One of his main points is that we need to start looking at playing with the 3-pt line before every team goes the Rockets route... I've always been on board with widening the court & making corner 3's the same distance as top of the break ones, but what about a more radical idea where you keep the court width but expand the line so it's just eliminated in the corners? Or even his crazier idea where NBA teams could (within a limit) decide how far out they want the 3-pt line in their arenas? (Another slight one to at least create more movement was adding in a 3 seconds call for standing in the corner, similar to the 3 in the key rule.)
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:17 PM   #482
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Reading the article equivalent in the Athletic the other day - I quite like the idea of moving the line season by season based on where the expected points per 3 pointer would match the expected points per 2 pointer, maybe over the average for the previous season or the past few seasons. This would still reward 3 point shooters who could shoot at a clip significantly above the league average, but would also re-emphasize the inside and mid-range game.

I do think something needs to be done, I'm sure there are kids coming through youth basketball now who are taught nothing but to shoot the long three.
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:19 PM   #483
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Someone suggested making it like softball so you’re first X number of 3s count as 3s and after that they just count as 2. Maybe you get 10 made threes per game and every 3 made after the penalty kicks in counts as 3 (and not against your 10)
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Someone suggested making it like softball so you’re first X number of 3s count as 3s and after that they just count as 2.

Have I missed a softball rule somewhere?
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Have I missed a softball rule somewhere?




Some men's slowpitch leagues play different home run rules.
Like Class B allows 1 guy to hit unlimited homeruns but anyone else hits one it is an out.
Class C all homers are outs etc
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Some men's slowpitch leagues play different home run rules.
Like Class B allows 1 guy to hit unlimited homeruns but anyone else hits one it is an out.
Class C all homers are outs etc

Now that you say it I've got some (very) faint recollection of hearing about that. Can't say I've ever seen it played that way (nor that I'd want to).
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Old 05-02-2019, 04:59 PM   #487
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what about a more radical idea where you keep the court width but expand the line so it's just eliminated in the corners? Or even his crazier idea where NBA teams could (within a limit) decide how far out they want the 3-pt line in their arenas? (Another slight one to at least create more movement was adding in a 3 seconds call for standing in the corner, similar to the 3 in the key rule.)

I like both of these ideas. I just want to see guys not be shamed for taking the mid range jumper. Not because I have a great love for the mid range, but because I have a love for drives to the hoop. Sometimes you have to take that pull up in order to get the defender to respect the drive. Percentages aside, I prefer KD's shot chart from Game 2 to James Harden's
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I do think something needs to be done, I'm sure there are kids coming through youth basketball now who are taught nothing but to shoot the long three.

I would not say that the majority are taught to shoot the long three. I would say the kids prefer to shoot the long three because it is cool. Sort of like kids doing reverse layups or attempting dunks as opposed going straight in and laying it up of the glass. Now whether they have developed the range to shoot from 21 feet at the age of 10-11 is a different story.
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Thing is, I think as the playoffs have shown, playing like the Rockets will only get you so far. It's min/max analytic basketball taken to the extreme. I don't see a need to change it necessarily, because I think it can be countered, especially by not turning the ball over and giving up easy looks. I doubt the NBA feels a need to change it either, because everyone wants to see 3s and dunks. What they don't want to see is FTs, and that's the area where the league needs to be smarter, because I doubt anyone wants to see any player milking his way to the line for 15-20 attempts in a game. Let your stars miss contested shots without blowing a whistle, because defensive rebounds lead to highlight plays, but FT attempts don't.
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How Mapping Shots In The NBA Changed It Forever | FiveThirtyEight

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Old 05-03-2019, 10:20 PM   #492
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I think Giannis is the most fun player I’ve ever watched. When he can beat somebody at the three point line, put the ball on the floor and dunk with two steps it’s incredible viewing. If he ever develops that three point shot, he might break the game.
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Does Embiid gets more superstar calls offensively and defensively than Steph Curry? Cause it feels like Embiid gets more superstar calls than Steph Curry.
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Does Embiid gets more superstar calls offensively and defensively than Steph Curry? Cause it feels like Embiid gets more superstar calls than Steph Curry.

Weird to post after a game with multiple instances where i saw multiple toronto defenders pretty much hanging onto whatever they could grab.

In general i think he simply provokes a ton of illegal contact by being that strong and coordinated.

Weird to compare with a guy like Curry rather than other big men.
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Pat Connaughton does not look like an NBA player. Literally looks like a fan from the stands who got a jersey or something.
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Weird to post after a game with multiple instances where i saw multiple toronto defenders pretty much hanging onto whatever they could grab.

In general i think he simply provokes a ton of illegal contact by being that strong and coordinated.

Weird to compare with a guy like Curry rather than other big men.

The emphasis was on the superstar part more than style of play. Embiid gets the benefit of the doubt on more calls both offensively and defensively than Steph imo. He gets the traditional superstar calls. Steph gets officiated more in line with the rank and file players than with the superstars of the game. Maybe there is an analytic review out there that Embiid legitimately gets fouled more and fouls less than Curry.
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Yeah, Steph does not get many of the "superstar" calls. I think it's entirely a function of his style of play, though. Even as an unabashed and huge fanboy of his, Steph occasionally gets dramatic on three point attempts while playing for a foul.
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It's pretty crazy how Giannis can get to the hoop so quickly. One dribble and he's dunking
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