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Old 03-27-2019, 07:30 PM   #51
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There’s no danger of the NFL paying anything for a development league while it is getting a completely free one in college football. Especially as many of the most recent changes to college football love it away from being student athlete focused and more towards just being a giant prep exercise for players who want to go to the NFL.

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Old 03-27-2019, 08:46 PM   #52
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Thereís no danger of the NFL paying anything for a development league while it is getting a completely free one in college football. Especially as many of the most recent changes to college football love it away from being student athlete focused and more towards just being a giant prep exercise for players who want to go to the NFL.

There's definitely some truth to that, but what about those players that blossom after college? It's like, if you haven't developed the necessary skills to make it to the NFL when you're 22, you're done. You saw what happened with Kurt Warner. He got reps in the Arena League and NFL Europe and blossomed late. Having some sort of farm system for guys in their mid 20s seems like a good way for a team to get some talent, even if it means for five years instead of ten.
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:09 PM   #53
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I’m honestly not sure it’s the same league where a QB is a bust if he hasn’t started and not sucked by the end of year two any more. And even if it is, as good as Warner is are they really going to pay hundreds of millions to find the diamond in the rough every few years? I just can’t see a situation where anybody in the NFL feels like it makes financial sense.
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:26 PM   #54
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are they really going to pay hundreds of millions to find the diamond in the rough every few years? I just canít see a situation where anybody in the NFL feels like it makes financial sense.

This.

Especially when that scenario produces a diamond in the rough with higher mileage than normal AND a shorter shelf life.
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Old 03-28-2019, 11:51 AM   #55
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If they did think it was worth it, they'd bring back NFL Europe it'd be cheaper and it's maintain an inroads to audience they're actually interested in. Nobody is trying to convince fans in minor league cities to watch football they already are.
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:14 PM   #56
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College football is the only developmental league the NFL needs.

This is the one sport where less game time is desirable for everyone involved, not more.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:16 PM   #57
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'You didn't play to get rich': what killed NFL Europe? | Sport | The Guardian

Good synopsis there. I wish it still existed. I didn't pay attention to the XFL and haven't to the AAF, but I loved watching NFL Europe and actually paid attention to it.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:18 PM   #58
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This.

Especially when that scenario produces a diamond in the rough with higher mileage than normal AND a shorter shelf life.

FWIW, it also was a source of coaching development and trial balloons for changes. So it wasn't just about finding diamonds in the rough for players. While it was a financial loss on the balance sheet, I think when you consider the net intangible benefits, it was worth it.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:29 PM   #59
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College football is the only developmental league the NFL needs.

This is the one sport where less game time is desirable for everyone involved, not more.
Quarterbacks are the one major exception, and WR/DB seem to be the positions most often overlooked & late developing. To the point I wonder if the answer is an NFL affiliated 7 on 7 league in the spring for young/futures contract players.
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Old 03-28-2019, 03:51 PM   #60
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How does minor league baseball still exist when the other sports don't need / have minor leagues? College baseball does exist - is it that much harder to determine who will be good in the majors in baseball?
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Old 03-28-2019, 03:56 PM   #61
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How does minor league baseball still exist when the other sports don't need / have minor leagues? College baseball does exist - is it that much harder to determine who will be good in the majors in baseball?

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Old 03-28-2019, 05:54 PM   #62
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How does minor league baseball still exist when the other sports don't need / have minor leagues? College baseball does exist - is it that much harder to determine who will be good in the majors in baseball?

Also, it's an established system that's almost as old as the game itself. And the costs are shared, it's pretty cheap to run. And not true other sports don't have/need them, hockey has a solid minor league system that's the closest to baseball in terms of multiple affiliates per team, etc., and NBA finally created its own that's evolving into a useful tool.

It's just football that doesn't need it since it's subsidized by the NCAA. And MLS is basically just a minor league itself.
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:06 PM   #63
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Is the G League a useful tool? Who was the last player to come from the G League who is playing a major role on an NBA team?

I also wonder if minor league baseball looks the same in 10 years. Already you hear noises about compensating minor league players differently and some of the quirkier small town teams are folding. I wonder how sustainable it all is and if you really need 5-6 levels of minor league ball for each MLB team.
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:20 PM   #64
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Is the G League a useful tool? Who was the last player to come from the G League who is playing a major role on an NBA team?

Jeremy Lin comes to mind off hand.
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:51 PM   #65
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Is the G League a useful tool? Who was the last player to come from the G League who is playing a major role on an NBA team?


Robert Covington, Birdman Andersen, Giannis' little bro are three that come to mind immediately. Chuck Hayes was a rotational player IIRC.

Edit: Shelvin Mack, too.
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:51 PM   #66
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[quote=bhlloy;3234627]Is the G League a useful tool? Who was the last player to come from the G League who is playing a major role on an NBA team?

Alumni in the NBA: 53% Of Players On End-of-Season NBA Rosters Have NBA G League Experience - NBA G League

Hassan Whiteside, Danny Green, the aforementioned Jeremy Lin, Robert Covington, Chris "Birdman" Anderson, J.J. Barea, Khris Middleton, et. al.

Nobody needs a NBA minor league to discover the next Lebron, but if it can be an instrumental part of developing coaches and 6th men...that's well worth the cash. Especially since the alternative for so long was going overseas or playing in underfunded leagues where you might not get paid domestically.
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:02 PM   #67
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FWIW, it also was a source of coaching development and trial balloons for changes. So it wasn't just about finding diamonds in the rough for players. While it was a financial loss on the balance sheet, I think when you consider the net intangible benefits, it was worth it.

I will give you it being a trial balloon for changes to the game but why, after this offseason, would the NFL be looking in the AAF for coaching development when they could just check the Rams sideline.
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:31 PM   #68
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I will give you it being a trial balloon for changes to the game but why, after this offseason, would the NFL be looking in the AAF for coaching development when they could just check the Rams sideline.

Are you trying to tell me that the Head Ball Coach doesn't have another NFL run in him?
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Old 03-28-2019, 07:38 PM   #69
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Are you trying to tell me that the Head Ball Coach doesn't have another NFL run in him?

He don't even run to the clubhouse after the 18th hole at this point.

Hey, at 73 I wouldn't either so I ain't knockin it.
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:03 PM   #70
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Are you trying to tell me that the Head Ball Coach doesn't have another NFL run in him?

Is he a McVay protege?
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:25 PM   #71
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Is the G League a useful tool? Who was the last player to come from the G League who is playing a major role on an NBA team?

Alumni in the NBA: 53% Of Players On End-of-Season NBA Rosters Have NBA G League Experience - NBA G League

Hassan Whiteside, Danny Green, the aforementioned Jeremy Lin, Robert Covington, Chris "Birdman" Anderson, J.J. Barea, Khris Middleton, et. al.

Nobody needs a NBA minor league to discover the next Lebron, but if it can be an instrumental part of developing coaches and 6th men...that's well worth the cash. Especially since the alternative for so long was going overseas or playing in underfunded leagues where you might not get paid domestically.
Yah, the G League isn't there for superstars (though it is trending towards developing post-HS'ers), it's there so NBA teams can plug a guy in at the end of their rotation when injuries hit. Otherwise players 400-1000 in the world would all be playing overseas for more money and unavailable on short term notice. It's not 100% a coincidence it became a mandate when European teams started putting up enough money no players at that level were staying here in the CBA.

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Old 03-28-2019, 11:42 PM   #72
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He don't even run to the clubhouse after the 18th hole at this point.

Hey, at 73 I wouldn't either so I ain't knockin it.

He looked pretty friggin rough hobbling around the sidelines. I know it was a recent back surgery but it looked like he ought to be in a wheelchair. But he's probably been one of the only reasons to tune in to this league.
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:09 PM   #73
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:09 PM   #74
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Now we can all focus on the XFL.
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:16 PM   #75
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Shocked really isn't the word I'm looking for here

Source - AAF suspends operations in 1st season
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:23 PM   #76
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Well, I guess I missed out on some football.
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:25 PM   #77
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Well, I guess I missed out on some football.

If you use the term loosely perhaps
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Old 04-02-2019, 03:22 PM   #78
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I think St. Louis is supposed to get an XFL team next year. Not exactly sure what the point is as this proves (as if it hasn't already been proven) that the NFL is the only game in town. Hope the season at least reaches a conclusion.
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Old 04-02-2019, 03:29 PM   #79
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I don’t think it means that the NFL is the only game in town. People will attend and watch XFL games on TV like they did the AAF. But it does prove (as the first XFL and AFL proved in the past) that it’s hard to make money in a non NFL setting.
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:00 PM   #80
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:06 PM   #81
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Did the investors come into this league thinking it would be a smash hit from day 1 or something?
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:18 PM   #82
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Did the investors come into this league thinking it would be a smash hit from day 1 or something?

yes, probably.
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:21 PM   #84
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I am slightly confused. I thought I read that the attendance and TV Ratings, while not spectacular compared to what we see in the usual sports, were higher then what they projected to be sustainable. Was their projection for what was needed just that far off versus what they really needed?
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I am slightly confused. I thought I read that the attendance and TV Ratings, while not spectacular compared to what we see in the usual sports, were higher then what they projected to be sustainable. Was their projection for what was needed just that far off versus what they really needed?

Everything I've read this afternoon seems to keep coming back to "the need for an agreement between the AAF and the NFLPA" about the use of practice squad players.

Which makes me wonder: maybe the (majority) owner realized that the product isn't worth dropping another $180m into with the current 'talent' level? (reports are saying that his $250m cash commitment in Feb only had $70m up front)
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:34 PM   #86
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There's speculation that the benefactor that came on late only really wanted the gambling app that the AAF developed. Once he acquired that the league was just a nuisance.

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There's speculation that the benefactor that came on late only really wanted the gambling app that the AAF developed. Once he acquired that the league was just a nuisance.

Well they did describe themselves as a technology company that happened to have a football league."We're a technology company first," Ebersol said.
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Ebersol came across like a know it all dick in every interview I saw. Glad he failed.
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Old 04-03-2019, 05:13 AM   #89
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The owner of the hurricanes bought into the league to take it over and shut it down. He has his own agenda. 1 man ended this league. period.


The one thing I think that can be taken from the leagues results is that san antonio, san diego and birminghan and orlando can all support teams. The NFL should take notice.
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Ebersol came across like a know it all dick in every interview I saw. Glad he failed.
I'm not even sure he's the most delusional of the founding partners. Bill Polian is just as bad.
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Still waiting for Dundon to address the crowd at a Hurricanes game and *suddenly* "is that Vince's music?!"
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Well they did describe themselves as a technology company that happened to have a football league."We're a technology company first," Ebersol said.

Sounds like Uber/Lyft.
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san diego

Wow, who'd have guessed??

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The owner of the hurricanes bought into the league to take it over and shut it down. He has his own agenda. 1 man ended this league. period.

Maybe he'll run for president in 30 years...
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Old 04-04-2019, 11:53 AM   #94
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Given that the NFL has a rookie scale. And the XFL isnt going to limit itself to 3 years removed from HS, I wonder if we will see some prime guys opt for the XFL. Vince could easily make a rule like MLS for several cap exempt players per team.
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Pretty good post mortem up on ESPN.
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