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Join Date: Nov 2003
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There’s no danger of the NFL paying anything for a development league while it is getting a completely free one in college football. Especially as many of the most recent changes to college football love it away from being student athlete focused and more towards just being a giant prep exercise for players who want to go to the NFL.
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03-27-2019, 07:46 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Osaka, Japan via Honolulu, Hawaii via Birmingham, Alabama
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There's definitely some truth to that, but what about those players that blossom after college? It's like, if you haven't developed the necessary skills to make it to the NFL when you're 22, you're done. You saw what happened with Kurt Warner. He got reps in the Arena League and NFL Europe and blossomed late. Having some sort of farm system for guys in their mid 20s seems like a good way for a team to get some talent, even if it means for five years instead of ten.
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03-27-2019, 08:09 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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I’m honestly not sure it’s the same league where a QB is a bust if he hasn’t started and not sucked by the end of year two any more. And even if it is, as good as Warner is are they really going to pay hundreds of millions to find the diamond in the rough every few years? I just can’t see a situation where anybody in the NFL feels like it makes financial sense.
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03-27-2019, 08:26 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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This. Especially when that scenario produces a diamond in the rough with higher mileage than normal AND a shorter shelf life.
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03-28-2019, 10:51 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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If they did think it was worth it, they'd bring back NFL Europe it'd be cheaper and it's maintain an inroads to audience they're actually interested in. Nobody is trying to convince fans in minor league cities to watch football they already are.
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03-28-2019, 11:14 AM
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General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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College football is the only developmental league the NFL needs.
This is the one sport where less game time is desirable for everyone involved, not more. |
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03-28-2019, 12:16 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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'You didn't play to get rich': what killed NFL Europe? | Sport | The Guardian
Good synopsis there. I wish it still existed. I didn't pay attention to the XFL and haven't to the AAF, but I loved watching NFL Europe and actually paid attention to it.
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03-28-2019, 12:18 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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FWIW, it also was a source of coaching development and trial balloons for changes. So it wasn't just about finding diamonds in the rough for players. While it was a financial loss on the balance sheet, I think when you consider the net intangible benefits, it was worth it.
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03-28-2019, 12:29 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
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03-28-2019, 02:51 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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How does minor league baseball still exist when the other sports don't need / have minor leagues? College baseball does exist - is it that much harder to determine who will be good in the majors in baseball?
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03-28-2019, 02:56 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA
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03-28-2019, 04:54 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Also, it's an established system that's almost as old as the game itself. And the costs are shared, it's pretty cheap to run. And not true other sports don't have/need them, hockey has a solid minor league system that's the closest to baseball in terms of multiple affiliates per team, etc., and NBA finally created its own that's evolving into a useful tool. It's just football that doesn't need it since it's subsidized by the NCAA. And MLS is basically just a minor league itself. |
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03-28-2019, 05:06 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Is the G League a useful tool? Who was the last player to come from the G League who is playing a major role on an NBA team?
I also wonder if minor league baseball looks the same in 10 years. Already you hear noises about compensating minor league players differently and some of the quirkier small town teams are folding. I wonder how sustainable it all is and if you really need 5-6 levels of minor league ball for each MLB team. |
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03-28-2019, 05:20 PM
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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Jeremy Lin comes to mind off hand.
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03-28-2019, 05:51 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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Robert Covington, Birdman Andersen, Giannis' little bro are three that come to mind immediately. Chuck Hayes was a rotational player IIRC. Edit: Shelvin Mack, too.
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03-28-2019, 05:51 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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[quote=bhlloy;3234627]Is the G League a useful tool? Who was the last player to come from the G League who is playing a major role on an NBA team?
Alumni in the NBA: 53% Of Players On End-of-Season NBA Rosters Have NBA G League Experience - NBA G League Hassan Whiteside, Danny Green, the aforementioned Jeremy Lin, Robert Covington, Chris "Birdman" Anderson, J.J. Barea, Khris Middleton, et. al. Nobody needs a NBA minor league to discover the next Lebron, but if it can be an instrumental part of developing coaches and 6th men...that's well worth the cash. Especially since the alternative for so long was going overseas or playing in underfunded leagues where you might not get paid domestically. |
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03-28-2019, 06:02 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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I will give you it being a trial balloon for changes to the game but why, after this offseason, would the NFL be looking in the AAF for coaching development when they could just check the Rams sideline.
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03-28-2019, 06:31 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Prairie du Sac, WI
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Are you trying to tell me that the Head Ball Coach doesn't have another NFL run in him? |
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03-28-2019, 06:38 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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He don't even run to the clubhouse after the 18th hole at this point. Hey, at 73 I wouldn't either so I ain't knockin it.
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03-28-2019, 09:03 PM
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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Is he a McVay protege?
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03-28-2019, 09:25 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
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03-28-2019, 10:42 PM
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Prairie du Sac, WI
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He looked pretty friggin rough hobbling around the sidelines. I know it was a recent back surgery but it looked like he ought to be in a wheelchair. But he's probably been one of the only reasons to tune in to this league. |
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04-02-2019, 12:09 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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RIP
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04-02-2019, 12:09 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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Now we can all focus on the XFL.
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04-02-2019, 12:16 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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04-02-2019, 12:23 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Wentzville, MO
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Well, I guess I missed out on some football.
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04-02-2019, 12:25 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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If you use the term loosely perhaps
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04-02-2019, 02:22 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: St. Louis
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I think St. Louis is supposed to get an XFL team next year. Not exactly sure what the point is as this proves (as if it hasn't already been proven) that the NFL is the only game in town. Hope the season at least reaches a conclusion.
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04-02-2019, 02:29 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Norman, OK
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I don’t think it means that the NFL is the only game in town. People will attend and watch XFL games on TV like they did the AAF. But it does prove (as the first XFL and AFL proved in the past) that it’s hard to make money in a non NFL setting.
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04-02-2019, 04:00 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas
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Won't someone think of poor Manziel?
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04-02-2019, 04:06 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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Did the investors come into this league thinking it would be a smash hit from day 1 or something?
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04-02-2019, 04:18 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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hilarious
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04-02-2019, 04:19 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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yes, probably.
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04-02-2019, 04:21 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Dayton, Ohio
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I am slightly confused. I thought I read that the attendance and TV Ratings, while not spectacular compared to what we see in the usual sports, were higher then what they projected to be sustainable. Was their projection for what was needed just that far off versus what they really needed?
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04-02-2019, 05:35 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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Everything I've read this afternoon seems to keep coming back to "the need for an agreement between the AAF and the NFLPA" about the use of practice squad players. Which makes me wonder: maybe the (majority) owner realized that the product isn't worth dropping another $180m into with the current 'talent' level? (reports are saying that his $250m cash commitment in Feb only had $70m up front)
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04-02-2019, 07:34 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
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There's speculation that the benefactor that came on late only really wanted the gambling app that the AAF developed. Once he acquired that the league was just a nuisance.
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04-02-2019, 07:59 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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Well they did describe themselves as a technology company that happened to have a football league."We're a technology company first," Ebersol said.
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04-02-2019, 08:13 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Ebersol came across like a know it all dick in every interview I saw. Glad he failed.
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04-03-2019, 04:13 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Buffalo, NY
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The owner of the hurricanes bought into the league to take it over and shut it down. He has his own agenda. 1 man ended this league. period.
The one thing I think that can be taken from the leagues results is that san antonio, san diego and birminghan and orlando can all support teams. The NFL should take notice. |
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04-03-2019, 12:06 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
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04-03-2019, 03:12 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Still waiting for Dundon to address the crowd at a Hurricanes game and *suddenly* "is that Vince's music?!"
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04-03-2019, 03:12 PM
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Location: the yo'
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Sounds like Uber/Lyft. |
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04-03-2019, 04:16 PM
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Location: Maryland
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Wow, who'd have guessed??  Quote:
Maybe he'll run for president in 30 years...
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04-04-2019, 10:53 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Given that the NFL has a rookie scale. And the XFL isnt going to limit itself to 3 years removed from HS, I wonder if we will see some prime guys opt for the XFL. Vince could easily make a rule like MLS for several cap exempt players per team.
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06-13-2019, 01:41 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Pretty good post mortem up on ESPN.
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