Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[path12]

Idol is on. Gotta go. I can't believe how much I like that show, I don't really listen to much besides indy these days and I can never imagine getting anything that the winner puts out, but what can you do........?

[Blade6119]

LSG, narc died..thats why the bank closed

[LoneStarGirl]

shit, so you cant get my money?

[LoneStarGirl]

shit, so you cant get my money?

[Blade6119]

I can...send a PM to alan requesting to buy these items at these prices...ive already set it up:

Gun $600
Bullets $200
Bullet Proof Vest $200

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

LSG, i reported my encounter and subsequent attack on myself..i hope you report it, they gave me a phone number at which i could contact them. You should be able to trace it.

Anxiety, not only do you ignore the requests of multiple players saying he was good, now your saying you have lost your warrants? Not looking good for you mate...chief is a dead man tomorrow, but your jockying for a spot the day after him

No, I am saying that somethign specificially happened after I submitted the warrant. I believe it was intentional on the part of someone at the courthouse.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

On my way home i was pulled into a side alley by a strong muscular man. There were 3 people there, and they asked me to do some jobs for the boss. They gave me a # to call, and told me to call if i was interested...stupid as i am, i laughed and insulted them so one pulled a gun on me. I ran for my life, and got home safely. I have no idea as to the identities of the people, and strongly doubt we have 4 mafia left(3 there and a boss they referred to). It is possible we still have 3 left though(with the boss being the one who did all the talking), and are at endgame now. If there are 3, id say chief sndvls and anxiety...

Thats how it went down

Okay, now I totally beleive Blade. I left some details out in my own failed conversion, and he is metnioning them now. As such, I beleive Blade is cleared to my mind. I may not like it, but its there.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I can...send a PM to alan requesting to buy these items at these prices...ive already set it up:

Gun $600
Bullets $200
Bullet Proof Vest $200

Blade, if you can get more guns or vests, let me know, I'd like a defense upgrade in case someone tries to off me today.

[Blade6119]

Ill see if i get more supplies, i listed everything i have right now

[path12]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

but path, what i learned about you when i looked you up in the system said you had a totally different job than the one you are implying

Post #1716.

[kingfc22]

Anybody for a game of gin?

[Narcizo]

Thanks for having me, it's been fun. Hope you get the baddy.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, lot's to respond to.

First off, I said that lynching me would do you no good. No one listened, though, and now Narc is dead. That sucks, because I thought he was one of our more helpful good players.

Second, I hinted earlier that I knew of a mafia action last night while kingfc was in jail, meaning he certainly couldn't have been mafia. Unfortunately, that was missed as well. That mafia action was an attempt to convert me. The encounter was similar to Anxiety's and Blade's except it involved two beefy men coming up to me at a basketball game I bet on. They told me the "boss" wanted to recruit me to the mob, and gave me a number to call. And one of the goons ate my hot dog, the bastard. I got no clues who they were, but my impression was that these were nameless thugs who are not players in the game, but just part of the narrative. I still think there is only one mafia left, although clearly many conversion attempts can be made.

In turning down the mafia, it changed me from neutral to good and changed my goals. I was in fact good this morning when I was searched by LSG and when I sent away the package to SnDvls and (attempted) to LSG.

My encounter with Blade didn't seem to be particularly pleasant. Not sure why he links it, though, to his visit with the mob. As with others with rings, I had no clue what sort of ring I had. If silver means medium level wealth to start the game, that would seem to fit, as I obviously was a good enough gambler to make a living at it. I started with $500, but my money has gone up and done like a rollercoaster with the daily bets.

I voted for JE for judge and said I did at the time. If there had been a consensus to put LSG in that spot, I missed it. I certainly would have voted for LSG to make sure we keep the judge position turning things over.

You all still seem intent on killing me, despite the fact that several of you have expressed doubts that I am mafia, and everything I have been saying before (like the pickpocket report or SnDvls' response to what I sent him) is coming up in my favor. I still have not lied in this game, not once.

If you go down this path, you will only hurt our side further.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

A couple things that are really bothering me right now.

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

give me the gun
now
and i will give you your gem

You would take something out of evidence for a personal gain? I understand you want the gun for protection, but removing a piece of evidence sounds like something a corrupt cop/judge would do.

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

how much money do you want for the bullets and gun blade? I think i have one grand left

I always thought police officers were not paid very well. How is it that you started the game with the same amount of money that I (the doctor) did?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Okay, now I totally beleive Blade. I left some details out in my own failed conversion, and he is metnioning them now. As such, I beleive Blade is cleared to my mind. I may not like it, but its there.

Just to play devil's advocate here, if Blade is in the mafia and was the one who tried to convert you, he would know the details of the failed attempt against you.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That mafia action was an attempt to convert me.

What time did this conversion attempt occur?

[LoneStarGirl]

You need to ask alant about the money JE.

I started with 1000, and found 400.

and Blade my internet crashed or something last night, so i couldn't transfer the money to you...

are we still on for the deal?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

What did you do with that $400 you found?

[LoneStarGirl]

Spent 100 on the underground and 200 on a game.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Where did you find the money? Any idea whose it was?

[LoneStarGirl]

all i know is alant pm'ed me and said you are the lucky person of the day, you found 400 dollars

[Abe Sargent]

I can verify lucky-ness. I was lucky once, but I wasn;t tha t lucky. I found 200 and I submitted a police report about it. Never saw the police report in here though. That was yesterday.

[SnDvls]

LSG I have passed you the same item CR passed me yesterday please check it out you may find it useful. I couldn't pass it yesterday as I had to be sure you were good. I would say that someone with lots of power is bad and that is not good for us.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Just to play devil's advocate here, if Blade is in the mafia and was the one who tried to convert you, he would know the details of the failed attempt against you.

Yes, I was mulling that over, too, and I am not sure about that. I don't know what sort of message the mafia get about these encounters, but it would be a word for word same description? I think it would be more likely that the targets would get the colorful descriptions why the mafia would simply get "Your message was delivered and turned down" or something like that.

Not saying I know for sure that that's the case here, but that's the way I have seen it done in past WW games. Alan's his own GM, though--don't know if he did the same.

[LoneStarGirl]

okay... now I am confused.

Once I got the item from SNDVLS I automatically thought SNDVLS was good, because who would give me this item???

But then I thought why would Cheif send this to sndvls?

But blade the good news is, I now have a gun

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

What time did this conversion attempt occur?

I received the PM about the approach at 6:28 p.m. Tuesday night, about a half hour after the deadline for that day and after it had already been announced kingfc was in jail. It was one day before Blade's conversion attempt and after Anxiety's attempt. Strangely, their incidents involved violence, with a kidnapping attempt for Anxiety and a shouting match for Blade. Not sure why in mine I only lost a hotdog. Might be because I was neutral, so the mafia was less certain I would refuse. Alsi, I wasn't right there to refuse (I was at work) and responded sometime later that night.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

okay... now I am confused.

Once I got the item from SNDVLS I automatically thought SNDVLS was good, because who would give me this item???

But then I thought why would Cheif send this to sndvls?

But blade the good news is, I now have a gun

I would guess that this is one of the "items" chief was hinting at finding and he said he passed it to me. My second guess is that the mafia either had a second gun or bought another and this one was DT's. I sent it to you for two reasons...you said you needed/wanted a gun and to check it against any of the crimes that have happened.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

okay... now I am confused.

Once I got the item from SNDVLS I automatically thought SNDVLS was good, because who would give me this item???

But then I thought why would Cheif send this to sndvls?

But blade the good news is, I now have a gun

I sent it to to SnDvls because he said he was the investigative reporter. I thought sending both items to one person would be risking too much. I thought you were good, LSG, but I wasn't 100% sure. So I sent the two items to two people with investigative abilities that I felt decently good about. After the search and the details you came out with, I am certain you are good, and I don't have any issues with you now having the gun. My only hope is that now you can investigate it or examine it in some way. I found it just after the deadline on the night hoopsguy was shot and Tyrith was murdered. My thought was that that was the gun that was used in either or both of those murders. My suspicion is that it was DaddyTorgo's gun (he was lynched that night).

But I thought it could have been any mafia member's gun...potentially with fingerprints, if you know what I mean.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I would guess that this is one of the "items" chief was hinting at finding and he said he passed it to me. My second guess is that the mafia either had a second gun or bought another and this one was DT's. I sent it to you for two reasons...you said you needed/wanted a gun and to check it against any of the crimes that have happened.

Nice, you and I had the same conclusion (and wrote it at the same time).

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I can verify lucky-ness. I was lucky once, but I wasn;t tha t lucky. I found 200 and I submitted a police report about it. Never saw the police report in here though. That was yesterday.

Luckyness verified times two. That was the exact way I received my messages on the days I found the gun and then the gem.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Luckyness verified times two. That was the exact way I received my messages on the days I found the gun and then the gem.

Speaking of which, I actually hinted at the "lucky" message when I originally received it in the hopes someone else who had received it would recognize what I was talking about. I don't think anyone picked up on it, though.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Nice, you and I had the same conclusion (and wrote it at the same time).

I saw that

I have 100% trust in LSG and Chief right now

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yes, I was mulling that over, too, and I am not sure about that. I don't know what sort of message the mafia get about these encounters, but it would be a word for word same description? I think it would be more likely that the targets would get the colorful descriptions why the mafia would simply get "Your message was delivered and turned down" or something like that.

Not saying I know for sure that that's the case here, but that's the way I have seen it done in past WW games. Alan's his own GM, though--don't know if he did the same.

I know when I visited Hoopsguy in the hospital I received the same PM he did, so I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia got the same PM you received.

[Abe Sargent]

Blade, since LSG now has a gun, I'd like to buy yours. Price?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I saw that

I have 100% trust in LSG and Chief right now

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't trust LoneStarGirl. I've felt since the beginning of the game that the mafia had someone inside the police force and she's not coming across as a straight arrow cop.

1) she started the game with the same amount of money as me (the doctor)
2) she found $400 and doesn't appear to have any qualms with spending that money or finding out whose money it is
3) she gambled (something that is illegal) some of that money away
4) she was willing to give Blade a piece of evidence for a gun

I know this is going to put a huge target on my chest since almost everyone questions my loyalty anyway, but something about her doesn't feel right to me.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't trust LoneStarGirl. I've felt since the beginning of the game that the mafia had someone inside the police force and she's not coming across as a straight arrow cop.

if I'm wrong I just gave a gun to her pretty publicly and screwed up that evidence chain

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't trust LoneStarGirl. I've felt since the beginning of the game that the mafia had someone inside the police force and she's not coming across as a straight arrow cop.

1) she started the game with the same amount of money as me (the doctor)
2) she found $400 and doesn't appear to have any qualms with spending that money or finding out whose money it is
3) she gambled (something that is illegal) some of that money away
4) she was willing to give Blade a piece of evidence for a gun

I know this is going to put a huge target on my chest since almost everyone questions my loyalty anyway, but something about her doesn't feel right to me.

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

As you suspected, JE, this is a move I find very suspicious. There are just too many stretches here.

1. We have no idea what mechanic Alan used to determine the actual numbers for startup money. We only know that the mafia boss had a lot of it (and a lot more than 1000 it would appear). I know that Lathum, another detective, said he had at least 500, if I recall, and maybe more.

2. Not sure why LSG should have any qualms about spending money she found. Who would do different? What would she do witht he money that would help good? Is there a choice she didn't take that I am missing here?

3. We don't know that gambling is illegal in Big City. If it was, I would think I would have been arrested and thrown away a while ago.

4. I missed that. My understanding was that she was willing to buy items from Blade. She had no choice on the gem--once she put it into evidence, it was out of her hands. I don't recall her suggesting she would have used it to acquire anything from Blade, just responded to his inquiry about receiving the gem.

[Chief Rum]

path, just to confirm are you the bodyguard? I would really like to know more about your role and what has been happening with it. I haven't felt you have done anything bad, and have felt you are good, but I don't actually know anything. Does anyone here know anything about path, his role and his actions?

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

path, just to confirm are you the bodyguard? I would really like to know more about your role and what has been happening with it. I haven't felt you have done anything bad, and have felt you are good, but I don't actually know anything. Does anyone here know anything about path, his role and his actions?

I got that he was the bodyguard as well.

[SnDvls]

dola - from his hints and the protection talk yesterday and today

[Chief Rum]

Here is my trust list.

CR-- 100% (of course)
LSG, SnDvls-- Very solid.
path-- Solid
Anxiety-- Decent. I felt his decision on king was curious, but he has said things that ring true with me (luckyness, conversion attempt), and he hasn't made any obvious mafia moves.
JE-- I felt decent about JE, but his recent move against LSG downgrades him. I don't think he has been bad all game, but he could be now.
Blade-- the more everyone else looks solid, the more Blade's "talk crap on everyone" act without actually helping is looking worse. I think my earlier theory on Blade (converted) still holfd, and he hasn't helped us hardly at all since the DT lynch, except muddy up the waters.

LSG, SnDvls, if we do feel some good trust for one another, this would be a good time to put it to use. If we ensure we all vote the same way, we only need path or Anxiety to vote with us to ensure the lynch mob would go the direction we feel it should.

I would be fine with either a JE or Blade vote. What think you all?

[SnDvls]

I'm game for whatever if LSG gets on board too

[LoneStarGirl]

I totally trust sndvls for sending me the gun and Cheif now....

And since jonathan doesn't trust me, why should i trust him?

And i would not give anxiety the gun no matter what blade

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

As you suspected, JE, this is a move I find very suspicious. There are just too many stretches here.

1. We have no idea what mechanic Alan used to determine the actual numbers for startup money. We only know that the mafia boss had a lot of it (and a lot more than 1000 it would appear). I know that Lathum, another detective, said he had at least 500, if I recall, and maybe more.

500 seems about average, which is what I would expect all detectives to make (police officers don't make a lot of money). I don't think the starting income was random. Would it make sense for me to start the game with $200 and Swaggs $1000? No, there's a reason LSG started with that much money.

2. Not sure why LSG should have any qualms about spending money she found. Who would do different? What would she do witht he money that would help good? Is there a choice she didn't take that I am missing here?

She's a detective. Law enforcement. That money belonged to someone else and it is her duty to report the money as found. Blade got pissed when Swaggs found some of his money in the trash, so why is it different for a detective?

3. We don't know that gambling is illegal in Big City. If it was, I would think I would have been arrested and thrown away a while ago.

I don't think you would have been arrested necessarily since there are more important fish in the sea. It is possible that gambling is legal, but if that were the case, why don't you work in a casino? I get the impression that what you do is done in back rooms and under the table. I don't think you're evil, but I don't think what you're doing is legal, either. Which is why it strikes me as odd that LSG bet on a game.

4. I missed that. My understanding was that she was willing to buy items from Blade. She had no choice on the gem--once she put it into evidence, it was out of her hands. I don't recall her suggesting she would have used it to acquire anything from Blade, just responded to his inquiry about receiving the gem.

From last night when she was talking to Blade:

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

give me the gun
now
and i will give you your gem

[LoneStarGirl]

and i am still very confused. When i tried to pick up a warrant the other day, it said another detective picked it up. which made me believe it was path since he is a big city government employee. But now he is acting like a body guard and not an employee of the government which bothers me a lot...

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Blade, since LSG now has a gun, I'd like to buy yours. Price?

I only had one gun, the one from my shop...i just asked alan if i will be getting more, and will let you know if i do. I only had that 1 though.

As of now, i still have:

Bandages
Knife
Police Scanner
Nightvision goggles

Any interest anyone?

[Blade6119]

Oh, did lsg not buy anything?

I still think we have our final two mafia lined up, in chief and sndvls...lsg, remember what bsak said? He said sndvls, bought all that shit(gun, armor, ammo, fingerprint stopper). We all thought he was just being pissy as he died...but here is sndvls giving you a gun his role should not have.

If you were evil right now, what would you do? What was our major reason for many of our moves in x-men lsg? To earn trust...Sometimes we gave the village info or actions that helped them more then us to earn trust...dont you think thats what their doing now?

By the way chief, bs on the convert story. There is no reason if that happened to you, that you would keep it secret until now(until i revealed the details of how it happens). Total bs

[Blade6119]

Anxiety, ill sell you the gun for 600..same price lsg paid

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I only had one gun, the one from my shop...i just asked alan if i will be getting more, and will let you know if i do. I only had that 1 though.

Who bought the gun?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I only had one gun, the one from my shop...i just asked alan if i will be getting more, and will let you know if i do. I only had that 1 though.

As of now, i still have:

Bandages
Knife
Police Scanner
Nightvision goggles

Any interest anyone?

So someone bought that gun? We now have two?