WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!! - Page 47

Abe Sargent · 05-04-2009, 08:11 PM

A train pulls up the the first station on Cabin Creek. Out walk several gun-thugs with rifles. Then out pour scabs. Dozens of scabs brought in to break up the strike and work anyway. They are all black.

Racial strife begins to break out among labor.

For today, all Black workers are downgraded. Experts work a 1 unit instead of their bonus, and workers working outside their area of specialization will put in no work.

EagleFan · 05-04-2009, 08:13 PM

I knew there had to be some sort of a catch.

PurdueBrad · 05-04-2009, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

Yea, the BG, what a bastard. He's obviously a wolf.

I was speaking more to DT actually.

Lathum · 05-04-2009, 08:14 PM

I am not black

EagleFan · 05-04-2009, 08:14 PM

What happened with the vote?

Danny · 05-04-2009, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I was speaking more to DT actually.

Well it looks like I saved you, hopefully I didn't screw up by doing so.

Glengoyne · 05-04-2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

And what does hoopsguy lurking do to you?

I think Lathum rubbed one out.

Danny · 05-04-2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

What happened with the vote?

It looks like I tied it giving the lynch to Dubb

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:17 PM

Ok in case I die I want to get something out there. I think our COT is dangerously large. Here's how I think about things, in decreasing order of trust:

Cleared by role (trust 100%: If any of these guys are bad we'll either have to discover it very late because assuming anything else screws us):
Barkeep
Poli
TheNorm

Cleared by seer (trust 80-90%: always has the chance of being a cunning wolf):
ChiefRum
Lathum

Cleared by bodyguard (trust 60-75%: I can concoct several scanarios where he's bad):
EaglesFan

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:18 PM

No one else makes my CoT. People might be more likely to be good than not, but they shouldn't get inclusion in the CoT no matter how villagerish their actions are. They shouldn't be considered for lynch either, at this point, but let's not mix our known goods with others.

Danny · 05-04-2009, 08:19 PM

I'm also hoping that since my switch was late enough that if Dubb is a wolf he didn't get a chance to switch his work to faking.

dubb93 · 05-04-2009, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I'm also hoping that since my switch was late enough that if Dubb is a wolf he didn't get a chance to switch his work to faking.

Seriously, stop. I'm not a wolf.

Abe Sargent · 05-04-2009, 08:19 PM

The first day of work in Cabin Creek ends. You have put in a lot of work today, but the scabs brought in have shaken you a bit. Still, you have completed over half of the work needed today.

Patrolling – 10/10
Food Distribution – 7/10
Gladhandling – 9/10
Oratory – 7/10

That’s a lot of work, even with scabs dividing your group a bit.

Tomorrow, it looks like you will have very little to do in order to complete the Cabin Creek mission.

As the sunlight winks away, you meet over a campfire, and decide who to oust. After some severely heated conversation, you again find yourself swayed by the words of Barkeep, especially since he led you straight once before. You see his words as a way to end the deadlock, so you Oust dubb.

He protests severely, but you will have none of it. You put him on a small boat and send him down the creek, where it will join with the Kanawha, and from there, to Charleston.

After some investigation, however, you uncover that dubb was no Sympathizer, he was as much a union man as the rest of you!

Night Five ends at 1:00 am

Tomorrow there will be no Oust vote, but there will be a mission plus work.

Danny · 05-04-2009, 08:21 PM

Damn, if PB turns out to be a wolf then I made a big mistake. You guys will probably lynch me now.

claphamsa · 05-04-2009, 08:22 PM

lame so dubb was a good guy

Glengoyne · 05-04-2009, 08:22 PM

Damn!

But the deadline votes will definitely make tomorrow interesting.

Lathum · 05-04-2009, 08:22 PM

Ok, question.

The penalties for the black workers. Are the results reflective of that or will the penalty be applied tomorrow?

PurdueBrad · 05-04-2009, 08:22 PM

Danny, I'm not a wolf either, but since we were villager/villager (from my eyes), I think there may still be data to be had.

Danny · 05-04-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

lame so dubb was a good guy

Yeah, he didn't help his case by taking every vote so personally.

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

A train pulls up the the first station on Cabin Creek. Out walk several gun-thugs with rifles. Then out pour scabs. Dozens of scabs brought in to break up the strike and work anyway. They are all black.

Racial strife begins to break out among labor.

For today, all Black workers are downgraded. Experts work a 1 unit instead of their bonus, and workers working outside their area of specialization will put in no work.

Was this for Day 5 or Day 6?

Lathum · 05-04-2009, 08:24 PM

does anyone have a vote breakdown?

Abe Sargent · 05-04-2009, 08:24 PM

The WV Department of Mines begins to keep lists of union men and distributes them to companies in the state, so that they will not hire any people who were, at any point in time, a member of the unions.

Danny · 05-04-2009, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Ok, question.

The penalties for the black workers. Are the results reflective of that or will the penalty be applied tomorrow?

Their reflected now. Look at food specialization, one of us is black.

Abe Sargent · 05-04-2009, 08:24 PM

Scabs results were applied today

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:26 PM

Are there any other races besides White and Black?

EagleFan · 05-04-2009, 08:26 PM

I need some time away from the thread for a bit, to clear my thoughts. I will try to look things over and post a run down of all my thoughts before the deadline, just in case.

I'll also load up and prepare, just in case any of those sympathisers get any crazy ideas. D

Maybe we should have went all out with that mission the other day. I wonder if this could have been the end game event, if we had won him over.

PurdueBrad · 05-04-2009, 08:26 PM

BK, there are Italians.

Danny · 05-04-2009, 08:27 PM

If we are villager/villager I think those who waivered a lot, put in late votes etc... are probably not the wolves. The wolves would have wanted to establish the candidates early. I wish now I would have went with Dubb and voted Jeheinz.

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I need some time away from the thread for a bit, to clear my thoughts. I will try to look things over and post a run down of all my thoughts before the deadline, just in case.

I'll also load up and prepare, just in case any of those sympathisers get any crazy ideas. D

Maybe we should have went all out with that mission the other day. I wonder if this could have been the end game event, if we had won him over.

My guess is that if we had won him, they wouldn't have been able to use this penalty. As it doesn't seem to be gamebreaking for us, I feel a little bit better.

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

If we are villager/villager I think those who waivered a lot, put in late votes etc... are probably not the wolves. The wolves would have wanted to establish the candidates early. I wish now I would have went with Dubb and voted Jeheinz.

I agree with this.

Lathum · 05-04-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Their reflected now. Look at food specialization, one of us is black.

It isn't me unless we are talking about below the waist.

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:28 PM

Not the JH part, the part about how in villager/villager wolves don't want to be the deciding vote.

EagleFan · 05-04-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Are there any other races besides White and Black?

Italian I believe

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

It isn't me unless we are talking about below the waist.

Use sunscreen. You're just asking for cancer otherwise.

Danny · 05-04-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

It isn't me unless we are talking about below the waist.

Its been so long it's starting to rot?

Lathum · 05-04-2009, 08:32 PM

do you guys need everything explained to you?

Danny · 05-04-2009, 08:35 PM

Do we think PB is a good scan now? That way we can make sense of today's voting.

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Do we think PB is a good scan now? That way we can make sense of today's voting.

Yes. I also think scanning elsewhere is also a good choice.

Poli · 05-04-2009, 08:42 PM

Danny, you know I'm voting for you, right?

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

I'm not sure how to refute this Barkeep other than you have been playing in games with me since 2004 or 2005 and you know what I'm like in game either good or bad, I move my vote around. That doesn't clear me, but I think damning me based on me moving my vote around is silly. I have always moved my vote around alot.

Just came on to this. Couple thoughts.

First, 2004 and 2005 is a long time ago. Please don't make my head hurt like that.

Second, I have no real read on dubb. Clearly. This is hardly unsusual for me though.

Third, I stand by my vote. Obviously, in retrospect, I would prefer to have lynched someone else today. But lynching someone based on good solid vote analysis is good WW. To me if you change your vote around a bunch you're bound to draw suspicion. I know I have in the past. And as such I've tried to move my vote around less. This last point is mostly why I've made this post: I think given the information at the time, dubb presented an interesting case.

As I read back I'm better understanding the case against PB (forgot the mission business) but also inclined, based on how things went down, to think we were villager/villager. Especially because we were already nailing dubb based on vote analysis. If someone changes late and dubb comes up wolf (or vice versa for that matter) we're likely to head in their direction making the wolves inclined to keep their vote on whoever they had started on, whether that person was wolf or villager.

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

If Dubb is a villager, then I'm exposed as not knowing a whole helluva lot about this game.

Posted without comment.

DaddyTorgo · 05-04-2009, 08:55 PM

so we should look in the middle where people weren't moving their votes around?

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so we should look in the middle where people weren't moving their votes around?

Yes, I believe that's what I'm thinking, at this point. Of course it's not a whole lot to go on either.

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

In fact, I think that's a good strategy

Unvote PurdueBrad

I saw we lynch someone today who is not x3 on a job we need.

This idea seems ill advised.

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

This idea seems ill advised.

To expand. I'm all about winning the camps. But in some ways I think we need to try and play as traditional of a game as possible at this point, winning just enough camps to keep the wolves from winning.

Lathum · 05-04-2009, 09:05 PM

I am currently doing a vote count and analysis

Barkeep49 · 05-04-2009, 09:08 PM

After reading through I think the odds of villager/villager are high, but certainly think PB's selfish move was worth of a vote and even lynch.

Danny · 05-04-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poli

Danny, you know I'm voting for you, right?

Makes no sense, but feel free.

Danny · 05-04-2009, 09:12 PM

Oh and I wasn't going to let your comment about voting whoever switched deter me. I felt it was the right move.

PurdueBrad · 05-04-2009, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

After reading through I think the odds of villager/villager are high, but certainly think PB's selfish move was worth of a vote and even lynch.

Just being sure, I assume you mean when I wanted to go on the mission? If so, no real argument there since I admitted it upfront.

05-04-2009, 08:11 PM	#2301
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	A train pulls up the the first station on Cabin Creek. Out walk several gun-thugs with rifles. Then out pour scabs. Dozens of scabs brought in to break up the strike and work anyway. They are all black. Racial strife begins to break out among labor. For today, all Black workers are downgraded. Experts work a 1 unit instead of their bonus, and workers working outside their area of specialization will put in no work. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-04-2009, 08:19 PM	#2313
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	The first day of work in Cabin Creek ends. You have put in a lot of work today, but the scabs brought in have shaken you a bit. Still, you have completed over half of the work needed today. Patrolling – 10/10 Food Distribution – 7/10 Gladhandling – 9/10 Oratory – 7/10 That’s a lot of work, even with scabs dividing your group a bit. Tomorrow, it looks like you will have very little to do in order to complete the Cabin Creek mission. As the sunlight winks away, you meet over a campfire, and decide who to oust. After some severely heated conversation, you again find yourself swayed by the words of Barkeep, especially since he led you straight once before. You see his words as a way to end the deadlock, so you Oust dubb. He protests severely, but you will have none of it. You put him on a small boat and send him down the creek, where it will join with the Kanawha, and from there, to Charleston. After some investigation, however, you uncover that dubb was no Sympathizer, he was as much a union man as the rest of you! Night Five ends at 1:00 am Tomorrow there will be no Oust vote, but there will be a mission plus work. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-04-2009, 08:22 PM	#2315
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	lame so dubb was a good guy __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-04-2009, 08:24 PM	#2322
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	The WV Department of Mines begins to keep lists of union men and distributes them to companies in the state, so that they will not hire any people who were, at any point in time, a member of the unions. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-04-2009, 08:24 PM	#2324
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Scabs results were applied today __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-04-2009, 08:13 PM	#2302
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I knew there had to be some sort of a catch.

05-04-2009, 08:14 PM	#2304
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I am not black

05-04-2009, 08:14 PM	#2305
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	What happened with the vote?

05-04-2009, 08:17 PM	#2309
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok in case I die I want to get something out there. I think our COT is dangerously large. Here's how I think about things, in decreasing order of trust: Cleared by role (trust 100%: If any of these guys are bad we'll either have to discover it very late because assuming anything else screws us): Barkeep Poli TheNorm Cleared by seer (trust 80-90%: always has the chance of being a cunning wolf): ChiefRum Lathum Cleared by bodyguard (trust 60-75%: I can concoct several scanarios where he's bad): EaglesFan

05-04-2009, 08:18 PM	#2310
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	No one else makes my CoT. People might be more likely to be good than not, but they shouldn't get inclusion in the CoT no matter how villagerish their actions are. They shouldn't be considered for lynch either, at this point, but let's not mix our known goods with others.

05-04-2009, 08:19 PM	#2311
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm also hoping that since my switch was late enough that if Dubb is a wolf he didn't get a chance to switch his work to faking.

05-04-2009, 08:21 PM	#2314
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Damn, if PB turns out to be a wolf then I made a big mistake. You guys will probably lynch me now.

05-04-2009, 08:22 PM	#2316
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Damn! But the deadline votes will definitely make tomorrow interesting.

05-04-2009, 08:22 PM	#2317
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Ok, question. The penalties for the black workers. Are the results reflective of that or will the penalty be applied tomorrow?

05-04-2009, 08:22 PM	#2318
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Danny, I'm not a wolf either, but since we were villager/villager (from my eyes), I think there may still be data to be had.

05-04-2009, 08:24 PM	#2321
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	does anyone have a vote breakdown?

05-04-2009, 08:26 PM	#2325
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Are there any other races besides White and Black?

05-04-2009, 08:26 PM	#2326
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I need some time away from the thread for a bit, to clear my thoughts. I will try to look things over and post a run down of all my thoughts before the deadline, just in case. I'll also load up and prepare, just in case any of those sympathisers get any crazy ideas. D Maybe we should have went all out with that mission the other day. I wonder if this could have been the end game event, if we had won him over.

05-04-2009, 08:26 PM	#2327
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	BK, there are Italians.

05-04-2009, 08:27 PM	#2328
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	If we are villager/villager I think those who waivered a lot, put in late votes etc... are probably not the wolves. The wolves would have wanted to establish the candidates early. I wish now I would have went with Dubb and voted Jeheinz.

05-04-2009, 08:28 PM	#2332
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Not the JH part, the part about how in villager/villager wolves don't want to be the deciding vote.

05-04-2009, 08:32 PM	#2336
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	do you guys need everything explained to you?

05-04-2009, 08:35 PM	#2337
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Do we think PB is a good scan now? That way we can make sense of today's voting.

05-04-2009, 08:42 PM	#2339
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Danny, you know I'm voting for you, right? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

05-04-2009, 08:55 PM	#2342
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	so we should look in the middle where people weren't moving their votes around?

05-04-2009, 09:05 PM	#2346
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I am currently doing a vote count and analysis

05-04-2009, 09:08 PM	#2347
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	After reading through I think the odds of villager/villager are high, but certainly think PB's selfish move was worth of a vote and even lynch.

05-04-2009, 09:12 PM	#2349
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Oh and I wasn't going to let your comment about voting whoever switched deter me. I felt it was the right move.

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