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Old 09-24-2020, 07:29 PM   #4151
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Some of those folks may have received some form of clemency from Trump's justice reform & would be happy to vote for him, for all I know/care. There are enough ex-cons in this country that I can't really make any judgment about their character based on that status alone.
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Old 09-27-2020, 12:39 PM   #4152
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The Rock says, "Vote for Biden"
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Old 09-27-2020, 05:24 PM   #4153
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Tom Ridge has come out for Biden. That may be huge in Pennsylvania!

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/com...-20200927.html

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Old 09-27-2020, 05:44 PM   #4154
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Tom Ridge has come out for Biden. That may be huge in Pennsylvania!

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If Biden really is a tool of the radical leftists, he's got a lot of people fooled.
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Old 09-27-2020, 05:54 PM   #4155
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The Rock says, "Vote for Biden"

I would die a happy man to hear The Rock say "It doesn't matter what you THINK" to Putin's face.
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Old 09-27-2020, 06:11 PM   #4156
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I would die a happy man to hear The Rock say "It doesn't matter what you THINK" to Putin's face.

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Old 09-27-2020, 06:16 PM   #4157
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I can assure you that Tom Ridge doesn’t move a needle. He hasn’t been governor since 2001. He was also a RINO like Arlen Specter to a lot of people.
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Old 09-27-2020, 06:50 PM   #4158
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I can assure you that Tom Ridge doesn’t move a needle. He hasn’t been governor since 2001. He was also a RINO like Arlen Specter to a lot of people.

So you're saying "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TOM RIDGE THINKS!!!!"
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Old 09-27-2020, 06:51 PM   #4159
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Old 09-27-2020, 07:54 PM   #4160
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So you're saying "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TOM RIDGE THINKS!!!!"

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Old 09-27-2020, 09:28 PM   #4161
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I finally registered to vote in the state of Ohio (I was in Michigan last election).

I think I'm at about 66% Libertarian an 34% Biden.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:13 AM   #4162
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Filled out my mail in ballot yesterday and dropped it off.

I reviewed it 87 times just to make sure I filled it out and signed correctly.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:17 AM   #4163
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Yeah. I'm sure I'll do the same if I do the mail-in ballot. I think I'll either drop box it, or if things still aren't too bad in my neck of the woods, go vote in person.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:59 AM   #4164
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Going to do early voting with my daughter on Sat, Oct 17. We agreed to go when it first opens at 8am.
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Old 09-29-2020, 09:28 AM   #4165
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Going to do early voting with my daughter on Sat, Oct 17. We agreed to go when it first opens at 8am.

FYI, if you want to avoid crowds, this may not be the best strategy.

I've poll observed in the past, and there tends to be a queue right when things open up. You might be better off going at, like, 10 to let the early birds get through the system.

(That said, my experience has been on weekdays, so there may have been a bit of "don't be late for work" going into that).
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Old 09-29-2020, 09:38 AM   #4166
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Thanks for the tip. Yes, wanted to go when it wasn't as busy.

I would go on a weekday but daughter will have to drive home from college, about an hours drive away.
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Old 09-29-2020, 10:13 AM   #4167
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Looking forward to 9pm tonight, hoping to be entertained by the inevitable zingers.

Ready to get this election cycle (and this damn year) done and hopefully get back to center'ish.
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Old 09-29-2020, 10:40 AM   #4168
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To relieve the unending stress, my wife and I are working on a prop bet/drinking game/Bingo game to go along with the debates. Anything to make this all bearable.
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Old 09-29-2020, 10:53 AM   #4169
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Let's hope Biden is prepared and can start to pull away a little more. I think he's been prepping like this could be the knockout blow while Trump is just going to show up and rely on his instinct.
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Old 09-29-2020, 11:11 AM   #4170
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Let's hope Biden is prepared and can start to pull away a little more. I think he's been prepping like this could be the knockout blow while Trump is just going to show up and rely on his instinct.

meh.

Trump is going to yell and scream and interrupt and his base will claim how awesome he was and showed Joe who was boss. Biden will have some small verbal gaffe and they will jump all over it in an endless loop. Nothing will change.

I still find it impossible to believe there is anyone who hasn't made up their mind. The debates are just theater to be interpreted based on who you support.
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Old 09-29-2020, 11:18 AM   #4171
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I generally agree, Lathum. Though I do know some people like my mother-in-law, who is still persuadable, I think, and pays basic attention to the news, and may watch the debate. I think it could influence a small section of people, but there's no telling what would influence her--could be a Biden gaffe, could be Trump being crazy, but she could just as easily ignore either one of those things. Boggles my mind.
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Old 09-29-2020, 11:18 AM   #4172
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Debates don't move the needle much anymore in general, so I don't think there's any knockout here. There are very much people who still haven't made up their mind. Not an excessive amount, but they are there. They always are, always will be in a system of voting between multiple options.
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Old 09-29-2020, 11:26 AM   #4173
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I think you could do something screwy that can hurt you ultimately but it's unlikely. Probably just adds a handful of items to the pile to build narratives for the next month.

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Old 09-29-2020, 11:28 AM   #4174
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Debates don't move the needle much anymore in general, so I don't think there's any knockout here. There are very much people who still haven't made up their mind. Not an excessive amount, but they are there. They always are, always will be in a system of voting between multiple options.

Wasn't able to vote back then but I remember watching "the admiral" in the 1992 VP debates. I was attracted to Perot just because he was going to bring a business mindset, but Stockdale's dismal performance would have changed my vote.
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Old 09-29-2020, 11:33 AM   #4175
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Debates don't move the needle much anymore in general, so I don't think there's any knockout here. There are very much people who still haven't made up their mind. Not an excessive amount, but they are there. They always are, always will be in a system of voting between multiple options.

In a normal election I agree, but I just can't wrap my mind about it this time. Everyone knows who Trump is at this point and you are either for him or against him.

I realize I am likely wrong, but in my mind I can't internalize how anyone at this point could be undecided after the last 4 years. If you are it's likely because you are looking for a reason to feel better about yourself for voting Trump and come to terms with your own morality.
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Old 09-29-2020, 02:05 PM   #4176
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Quinnipiac's poll in Georgia released today is pretty hard to believe. It has Biden up 50-47, Ossoff up 49-48, and the biggest surprise Raphael Warnock up with 31%, with Loeffler and Collins at 22-21 respectively. That was a shock, as the last poll I saw had Warnock 5 points behind the two Republicans.

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Old 09-29-2020, 02:36 PM   #4177
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In a normal election I agree, but I just can't wrap my mind about it this time. Everyone knows who Trump is at this point and you are either for him or against him.

I realize I am likely wrong, but in my mind I can't internalize how anyone at this point could be undecided after the last 4 years. If you are it's likely because you are looking for a reason to feel better about yourself for voting Trump and come to terms with your own morality.

I feel very similar, Trumps presidency has at least been transparent in what you see, is what you get and as polarizing as he is, I can't see anywhere near the number of undecideds we had in 2016.

Hell, walking to the polls on election morning in 2016 I still hadn't decided between Hillary and 3rd party. My mind in this election was made up 3 years ago.
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Old 09-29-2020, 02:45 PM   #4178
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Quinnipiac's poll in Georgia released today is pretty hard to believe. It has Biden up 50-47, Ossoff up 49-48, and the biggest surprise Raphael Warnock up with 31%, with Loeffler and Collins at 22-21 respectively. That was a shock, as the last poll I saw had Warnock 5 points behind the two Republicans.

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Quinnipiac seems to have a dem lean but other recent polls have shown Biden and Trump basically tied in GA. Obama just endorsed Warnock so maybe that pushed him up. Is Warnock now considered the favorite in that race? Seems like in a run off he'd beat Loeffler, not sure about Collins.
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Old 09-29-2020, 03:00 PM   #4179
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According to Nate Cohn, Q has a Dem lean this cycle and has really good numbers for Biden among Southern whites. It also has bad numbers for Biden among Hispanics, so Florida kind of cancels out for them.

But apparently for the people who live in the cross-tabs, this was an unsurprising result out of Georgia.
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Old 09-29-2020, 03:11 PM   #4180
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Historically, I think late undecideds tend to break primarily towards the challenger. If you're still undecided after four years, it's hard to go back. It's yet another way 2020 is different than 2016.
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Old 09-29-2020, 03:14 PM   #4181
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This poll would have come before the Obama endorsement.

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Old 09-29-2020, 03:25 PM   #4182
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Biden releases about 20 years of his tax returns today before the debate.

He will also have a twitter stream @truth where they apparently are going to live stream fact checking on Trump during the debate.
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Old 09-29-2020, 04:31 PM   #4183
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Quinnipiac's poll in Georgia released today is pretty hard to believe. It has Biden up 50-47, Ossoff up 49-48, and the biggest surprise Raphael Warnock up with 31%, with Loeffler and Collins at 22-21 respectively. That was a shock, as the last poll I saw had Warnock 5 points behind the two Republicans.

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Quinnipiac seems to have a dem lean but other recent polls have shown Biden and Trump basically tied in GA. Obama just endorsed Warnock so maybe that pushed him up. Is Warnock now considered the favorite in that race? Seems like in a run off he'd beat Loeffler, not sure about Collins.

The Democrats were divided between Liebermann (yes, the son of THAT Liebermann) and Warnock. There was the Obama endorsement and the bringing up back up of the fact Liebermann wrote a book about a racist character who was fond of the KKK. Then Liebermann doubled down and said Obama endorsed every DC approved Senate candidate... running against Obama is probably the dumbest thing any Democratic candidate can do.
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Old 09-29-2020, 04:49 PM   #4184
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Remember when Obama supported Lieberman over Lamont in 2006 and then Lieberman torpedoed the public option? Was an incredibly dumb move by Obama and maybe this is a bit of payback.
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Old 09-29-2020, 05:05 PM   #4185
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Young Liberman running the plucky outsider campaign.

Seems like the asshole doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Old 09-29-2020, 06:17 PM   #4186
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There's definitely a lot fewer undecideds than '16 - that was a historically high number.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:11 PM   #4187
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:19 PM   #4188
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I usually watch most of my TV content though various apps on the Fire Stick. I watched the Twins vs Astros game on the local ABC station while I cooked dinner. How the hell do you guys watch any programming with all of those political ads?! I had not seen one for either party for any elections at any level of government. It felt like all I saw were political ads and that Heineken commercial with the guy who could not cook but had cooked food for friends.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:37 PM   #4189
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I usually watch most of my TV content though various apps on the Fire Stick. I watched the Twins vs Astros game on the local ABC station while I cooked dinner. How the hell do you guys watch any programming with all of those political ads?! I had not seen one for either party for any elections at any level of government. It felt like all I saw were political ads and that Heineken commercial with the guy who could not cook but had cooked food for friends.

For my entire life, I didn't live in a swing state.

Then NC became one. And the attention and the idea that "my vote mattered" felt fun for one election.

Now I wish that we'd just flip Red or Blue. The ads are so annoying (though, in fairness, all I watch live is sports, so I can still avoid most of it).
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:40 PM   #4190
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I live in NY. When I see a national political commercial I wonder what the hell they were thinking.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:43 PM   #4191
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:47 PM   #4192
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My prediction is that a week from now it will be Biden +7.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:55 PM   #4193
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I predict that most GOP voters will say that Trump won the debate and most Democratic voters will say that Biden won the debate.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:56 PM   #4194
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is there going to be any commentary from here during the debate?
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:03 PM   #4195
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I predict that most GOP voters will say that Trump won the debate and most Democratic voters will say that Biden won the debate.

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Old 09-29-2020, 08:05 PM   #4196
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Just in terms of the job of being on TV, Wallace is a real pro. He's so smooth and confident.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:05 PM   #4197
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I live in NY. When I see a national political commercial I wonder what the hell they were thinking.

AFAIK, there's a general belief that you kinda have to throw at least token money at lost cause states if the donator base is (or is perceived to be) deep enough. You gotta make the check writers feel like you're at least trying basically
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:06 PM   #4198
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It feels like community theatre.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:11 PM   #4199
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Oh boy. Joe is already looking like he is not sure what he is talking about.

He needs an ear piece with someone telling him what to say.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:17 PM   #4200
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Wallace seems like he should be on Wide WOrld of Sports in the 70s
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