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Old 09-27-2020, 04:35 PM   #28251
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The only thing Trump could do to lose votes at this point would be to back down on the SCOTUS nominee and/or nominate a moderate.

Of course, there's not much he can do to gain votes either, which is why it's still a bit of a problem for him.
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Old 09-27-2020, 04:42 PM   #28252
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The tax returns might steal some news cycles, which is something, I guess. But Lord knows that October is going to be crazy season this year - there's going to be some weird crap thrown at the wall to see what sticks and I have no idea what that is going to be.

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Old 09-27-2020, 04:51 PM   #28253
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The tax returns might steal some news cycles, which is something, I guess. But Lord knows that October is going to be crazy season this year - there's going to be some weird crap thrown at the wall to see what sticks and I have no idea what that is going to be.

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Old 09-27-2020, 05:16 PM   #28254
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I just had a preview of Thanksgiving on a call with my parents. I don't live in Louisville but I work downtown. They asked how long it would be until it was safe to go back and I told them that aside from a few isolated incidents, not much has happened. They reacted like I told them WWII was a small skirmish on an island in the Pacific, informing me that there was a ton of violence and that I need to stop watching "the alphabet channel." When I explained that I don't watch infotainment news and that this is a local news story for me that dropped off as the headline story about 2-3 days after the announcement, they told me I was crazy and should not go to work any time soon.

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Old 09-27-2020, 05:20 PM   #28255
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Old 09-27-2020, 05:20 PM   #28256
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My wife's younger brother came to visit this weekend and my wife's step-dad called last weekend to make sure it was safe for him to fly up with Antifa and BLM running up and down the coast starting fires so I get it.

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Old 09-27-2020, 06:01 PM   #28257
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As tax fraud comes out this is going to be very bad news for Trump. NY prosecutors don't give a shit about persuadable voters.

But his bigger problem is going to be the hundreds of millions in loans coming due with seemingly little way to pay them other than selling his properties.
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Old 09-27-2020, 06:27 PM   #28258
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The grifter will come up with some way to have his base build a go fund me to pay off these
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Old 09-27-2020, 06:38 PM   #28259
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Dude, he will just get another loan. This has been his m.o. for decades. Borrow to pay for other loans, file bankruptcy if you can't borrow more. This is how the rich stay rich.

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Old 09-27-2020, 06:50 PM   #28260
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That's pretty easy if he's still the President, but if he's not...
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Old 09-27-2020, 06:57 PM   #28261
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Old 09-27-2020, 07:01 PM   #28262
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That was the best political ad I have ever seen.
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Old 09-27-2020, 07:02 PM   #28263
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I like Doug Jones but he doesn't have much of a shot. Hopefully, if Biden wins, he has room for someone like him in the administration.
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Old 09-27-2020, 07:06 PM   #28264
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That was the best political ad I have ever seen.

Literally the best political ad Doug Jones possibly could have run.
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Old 09-27-2020, 07:13 PM   #28265
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It has been about 25 years since the campaign for the 2016 election but didn't POTUS say he was going to fix the tax laws because he knew all of the loopholes and had been using them to avoid paying taxes? Did I dream that?
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Old 09-27-2020, 07:30 PM   #28266
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JPhillips, I hate to break this you, but he was doing this before he was president. He has filed bankruptcy several times, and yet banks still give him billions in loans. People like him never end up holding the bag, and he won't this time either.

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Old 09-27-2020, 07:35 PM   #28267
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He's lost all of his domestic creditors and now has to rely on pretty shady foreign sources. They won't just refinance for a guy on trial for tax fraud. He's uniquely fucked because he's always been a shit businessman and he actually has lost the ability to get money from most banks.
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Old 09-27-2020, 07:38 PM   #28268
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Old 09-27-2020, 07:54 PM   #28269
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Meanwhile...Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale barricaded himself while armed in his Ft. Lauderdale home and threatened to harm himself.

He's been taken to the hospital and held under the Baker Act which is the Florida equivalent of a 5150 psychiatric hold

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Old 09-27-2020, 08:00 PM   #28270
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Sigh.

"You mean he's corrupt and sketchy? We had no idea."

Well that will certainly change the vote of literally anyone.

(It won't actually change the vote of literally anyone)

I found a looter.
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Old 09-27-2020, 08:02 PM   #28271
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Old 09-27-2020, 08:03 PM   #28272
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A handful of months ago I would've insisted that Parscale was the person most entrenched in the Trump carnival.
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Old 09-27-2020, 08:11 PM   #28273
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Gee, I wonder if he did anything illegal.
so far I’ve seen two pretty liberal attorneys (one a friend from HS, the other on Twitter,) who are saying that this isn’t illegal, but is a commonly-used-by-the-wealthy legal loophole that only the super rich can afford to employ, and it points to how broken the system is.L, but probably not to a xrime
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Old 09-27-2020, 08:16 PM   #28274
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so far Iíve seen two pretty liberal attorneys (one a friend from HS, the other on Twitter,) who are saying that this isnít illegal, but is a commonly-used legal loophole that only the super rich can afford to employ, and it points to how broken the system is.

I'm sure FOX News will shortly be beating the drum about this isn't illegal and it actually shows how smart a businessman he really is .
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Old 09-27-2020, 08:17 PM   #28275
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A handful of months ago I would've insisted that Parscale was the person most entrenched in the Trump carnival.

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Old 09-27-2020, 08:18 PM   #28276
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Meanwhile...Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale barricaded himself while armed in his Ft. Lauderdale home and threatened to harm himself.

He's been taken to the hospital and held under the Baker Act which is the Florida equivalent of a 5150 psychiatric hold

Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, armed, barricades self in Fort Lauderdale home, police called

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Man, that's pretty horrible-I'm glad he didn't hurt himself or his wife and is getting the help he needs now.

And a big FU to the all the people on Twitter cheering this news
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Old 09-27-2020, 08:27 PM   #28277
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so far Iíve seen two pretty liberal attorneys (one a friend from HS, the other on Twitter,) who are saying that this isnít illegal, but is a commonly-used-by-the-wealthy legal loophole that only the super rich can afford to employ, and it points to how broken the system is.L, but probably not to a xrime

Nono, I meant Parscale. This sounds like a flip-out after a realization of "oh crap, I'm screwed."
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Old 09-27-2020, 08:28 PM   #28278
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Nono, I meant Parscale. This sounds like a flip-out after a realization of "oh crap, I'm screwed."
ahhhhh. Got it.
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Old 09-27-2020, 08:37 PM   #28279
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Man, that's pretty horrible-I'm glad he didn't hurt himself or his wife and is getting the help he needs now.

And a big FU to the all the people on Twitter cheering this news

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Old 09-27-2020, 08:45 PM   #28280
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Nothing to celebrate. Does suggest a guilty conscience, though.

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Old 09-27-2020, 08:45 PM   #28281
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so far Iíve seen two pretty liberal attorneys (one a friend from HS, the other on Twitter,) who are saying that this isnít illegal, but is a commonly-used-by-the-wealthy legal loophole that only the super rich can afford to employ, and it points to how broken the system is.L, but probably not to a xrime

I think his real legal problems will come from using different valuations depending on what benefitted him the most. All of that in writing is a nightmare for the whole family.
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Old 09-27-2020, 10:12 PM   #28282
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so far Iíve seen two pretty liberal attorneys (one a friend from HS, the other on Twitter,) who are saying that this isnít illegal, but is a commonly-used-by-the-wealthy legal loophole that only the super rich can afford to employ, and it points to how broken the system is.L, but probably not to a xrime

I've just assumed that there are so many loopholes for this sort of crap if you're rich. I'm not sure how much they'll find that is illegal /illegal/. Not in a tax return, anyways. Though that might give some state attorneys general some juicy spots to go looking if they want to dig deeper into his finances. I mean, we should sure as hell be mad that a supposedly billionaire hasn't paid any taxes in a couple of decades but we'll get distracted by some jangly keys and/or "well, he's just smart".

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Old 09-27-2020, 10:29 PM   #28283
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Man, that's pretty horrible-I'm glad he didn't hurt himself or his wife and is getting the help he needs now.

And a big FU to the all the people on Twitter cheering this news

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yes, and yes

Agree, it's just sad that people would celebrate something like this. As contentious as these times are and as much as I despise so many associated with the Trump circus, I don't wish anything bad on any of them. It is the most basic of human tenets, that should be foremost in any decent humans mind.
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Old 09-28-2020, 12:02 AM   #28284
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Since we all know the official stance on Trump's taxes will eventually switch to "he never said he didn't pay taxes.", then to "he didn't pay taxes, but it doesn't matter." and eventually settling on "he didn't pay taxes, but that's smart!".....how much of a dipshit do you have to be to still openly buy in at "fake news"?? Asking for a half-dozen Facebook friends.

Also, there is a non-zero chance Trump just shuts down & walks out in the middle of a debate, right?
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Old 09-28-2020, 06:46 AM   #28285
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Someone tell me if I am wrong here. According to the article, Trump owes 400+ million in personal loans. There is a mortgage on Trump Tower that is of 100 million dollars. Even if that is on top of that intial loan money (which I think it is), isn't Trump Tower worth somewhere in the neighbor hood of 600-700 million dollars? Heck, it was worth $300 million when he originally bought it a couple of decades ago.

Is this story either ignoring the increasing value of his properties? I am not saying it is right he didn't pay taxes (it is shady as crap), but isn't his actual wealth in the real estate he owns? Some of those he might lose money in a sale, but not many.
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Old 09-28-2020, 07:54 AM   #28286
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In case you are wondering how this is playing on GOP facebook, I am seeing lots of memes about how if protesters choose to stand in the road, then they must actually think that their lives don't really matter that much.
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Old 09-28-2020, 08:13 AM   #28287
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In case you are wondering how this is playing on GOP facebook, I am seeing lots of memes about how if protesters choose to stand in the road, then they must actually think that their lives don't really matter that much.

Sorry, I know it's inappropriate but that made me laugh. "If BLM, why you standing in the street?"
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Old 09-28-2020, 08:30 AM   #28288
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This isn't Trump related directly, but I remember reading kind of a fun article where the writer tried to figure out who the "poorest" person in the world was. Acknowledging that real poverty means living on the street without food, the article instead just went with the definition of "lowest amount of money."

The writer decided that the "poorest" person in the world was this French businessman who had lost a ton of money and then kept going into debt to keep a pyramid-like scheme going and by the end of it, he was $5 billion in debt. He, of course, was living like a high-wealth European businessman the whole time.

The point being, you have to actually be pretty rich to be one of the poorest people in the world.
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Old 09-28-2020, 08:58 AM   #28289
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Someone tell me if I am wrong here. According to the article, Trump owes 400+ million in personal loans. There is a mortgage on Trump Tower that is of 100 million dollars. Even if that is on top of that intial loan money (which I think it is), isn't Trump Tower worth somewhere in the neighbor hood of 600-700 million dollars? Heck, it was worth $300 million when he originally bought it a couple of decades ago.

Is this story either ignoring the increasing value of his properties? I am not saying it is right he didn't pay taxes (it is shady as crap), but isn't his actual wealth in the real estate he owns? Some of those he might lose money in a sale, but not many.

If he has a mortgage on those properties, he doesn't necessarily own them outright.
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Old 09-28-2020, 09:09 AM   #28290
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I expect he could sell enough property to pay his debts, but if he does it opens up new problems. First, what are the properties worth? He says the golf courses are long-term money losers, so if that's true, what can he get for them? If they are really money makers, does he open himself up to tax fraud? Second, the easiest properties to sell are going to be the best earners, so every thing sold makes it harder to keep a positive cash flow going.

This is where I think Ivanka was initially smart. Her brand was built to provide her own source of income because I expect she was smart enough to see that the Trump empire may not be around in ten or twenty years. She's in trouble now, because her brand was built for the suburban woman that has moved from the GOP to hating all things Trump, but it was a good idea.

Don Jr. can maybe ride the outrage machine forever, but Eric better figure out something or he's going to end up managing a chain of Motel 6 in the Sun Belt.
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The talking point rolling out is business like Apple and Amazon pay no taxes.

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Old 09-28-2020, 10:13 AM   #28293
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LOL Nothing Matters.

But I can't imagine that the GOP-leaning captains of industry are psyched that the talking points to save Trump are all going to be some variations of "rich people and big corporations never pay taxes, so no big deal."

They have spent a lot of time over the last 5 decades trying to convince us that rich people actually pay their fair share (or even more than their fair share). Indeed, you could argue that the one consistent GOP message has been trying to convince us all that "rich people already pay a lot in taxes."

Kind of amazing that they will give that up in a heartbeat to make a story that wasn't going to move the needle anyway slightly less embarrassing for Trump.

It is a party beholden to one man.

Which, whatever. But if you are going to do that, why pick such a shitty man?

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Old 09-28-2020, 10:18 AM   #28294
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Old 09-28-2020, 10:36 AM   #28295
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Every day the conversation is about Trump is a bad day for Trump.

You think the Times was like "hell, let's get this out there now because in a month, it's not going to matter because we'll already be 4 ever escalating crises down the road and this won't even make the front page"?

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Old 09-28-2020, 10:42 AM   #28296
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Every day the conversation is about Trump is a bad day for Trump.

Since when?

The conversation has been all about Trump politically since say late 2014?

Seems to have worked out well so far.
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Old 09-28-2020, 10:51 AM   #28297
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Since when?

The conversation has been all about Trump politically since say late 2014?

Seems to have worked out well so far.

Didn't work out in the midterms. Also, the conversation was not about the Trump at the end of the 2016 campaign. It was all about Hillary.
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Old 09-28-2020, 11:00 AM   #28298
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Yes. Look at his approval number and the time where he has gone up a bit correspond to the times when he's been relatively quiet.
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Old 09-28-2020, 12:08 PM   #28299
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Which is why the Trump campaign is trying to make such a big deal about Biden "going dark" time and time again because they know he's taking the smart tack of "when you're opponent is doing more harm to himself than you could do to him, you just sit back and let him hang himself."
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And Biden is actually preparing for the debate while Trump says he doesn't have any idea what he'l do tomorrow night.
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